6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

At least he wasn’t JJAW. 

No kidding.  What an odd statement to make in the light of the rest of the 2019 draft class:

Dillard, Sanders, JJAW, Shareef Miller, Clayton Thorson

 

I have said before, though, I think Miles Sanders is a cautionary tale about drafting a RB too early.  Sanders was a "good" Eagle -- he put up pretty good numbers, really good YPC, wasn't very good at all as a receiver other than his rookie season where they were finding him as a downfield target in the pass game.  In the end, however, he failed to make an impact and objectively didn't earn a second contract with the team. 

Zach and Bo were saying something similar to what I mentioned a few days ago. It's kinda what I've been feeling for the last week or so. That the Eagles rarely pick in the top 10 and Howie probably views this as a chance to get one of the best players in a draft. So they think his goal will be to trade up. Whether or not the price is prohibitive remains to be seen, but I agree and feel the same way.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

Zach and Bo were saying something similar to what I mentioned a few days ago. It's kinda what I've been feeling for the last week or so. That the Eagles rarely pick in the top 10 and Howie probably views this as a chance to get one of the best players in a draft. So they think his goal will be to trade up. Whether or not the price is prohibitive remains to be seen, but I agree and feel the same way.

Seeing Wilson fall to 8 in mocks. That's the trade up.

 

This draft has maybe 3-4 blue-chip prospects, one of which is an RB. It's not the draft to trade up.

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

This draft has maybe 3-4 blue-chip prospects, one of which is an RB. It's not the draft to trade up.

It is if you view Anderson or Carter as generational talents.

21 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

No kidding.  What an odd statement to make in the light of the rest of the 2019 draft class:

Dillard, Sanders, JJAW, Shareef Miller, Clayton Thorson

 

I have said before, though, I think Miles Sanders is a cautionary tale about drafting a RB too early.  Sanders was a "good" Eagle -- he put up pretty good numbers, really good YPC, wasn't very good at all as a receiver other than his rookie season where they were finding him as a downfield target in the pass game.  In the end, however, he failed to make an impact and objectively didn't earn a second contract with the team. 

I was upset with the Sanders pick because at that time, the eagles just passed on elite talent in the two or 3 previous RB classes, only to over-draft Miles Sanders a round too early due to how raw he was as a runner after mostly sitting behind Barkley. 

In the end, I became one of his biggest supporters. 

 

I think McLane is speculating based on his own personal bias. Anyone who thinks Sanders wasnt really that good would think the eagles regretted taking him that high. But, I fundamentally disagree with that premise because Sanders is one of the elite ball carriers in the league right now. 

I would say, they do not regret the pick. And wouldnt rule out seeing them take another RB in the 2nd round.

13 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Zach and Bo were saying something similar to what I mentioned a few days ago. It's kinda what I've been feeling for the last week or so. That the Eagles rarely pick in the top 10 and Howie probably views this as a chance to get one of the best players in a draft. So they think his goal will be to trade up. Whether or not the price is prohibitive remains to be seen, but I agree and feel the same way.

Just don’t see it with the hole in the middle of the draft. You need more, not less. I think they look at 10 as a luxury pick and take bijan Robinson. 

6 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

It is if you view Anderson or Carter as generational talents.

If you view them as generational talent there are deeper issues

1 minute ago, Allhaildawk said:

If you view them as generational talent there are deeper issues

I don't know about that, Will Anderson is the best edge rusher since Myles Garrett. He's really really good. And IMO worth trading up for. Holy crap man, him and Reddick off the edge? Give me that for the long-term.

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

Couldn't agree more.  I loved the white jersey on silver pants.

Best uni.     period

11 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

It is if you view Anderson or Carter as generational talents.

Neither are generational prospects. The only one in this draft who comes close is Robinson (RB). 

Just now, RLC said:

Neither are generational prospects. The only one in this draft who comes close is Robinson (RB). 

Strongly disagree. Especially with Anderson, but I think Carter has a chance to be. He's the highest rated DT prospect in a while and has rare raw power.

I think this is the exact draft to trade up given it's not a strong 1st round. You pay a premium to come away with the best talent in a class where there aren't a lot of guys who excite you. I think any time you're picking in the top 10, the goal is to get a blue chip player, and I think Anderson is precisely the type of guy you trade up for.

I think some have soured on Anderson after 2022, but he was insane in 2021. Unblockable. If you're getting that Anderson you're getting the next Demarcus Ware for a decade. Sign me up over major questions at pretty much every other guy that's draft between 10 and 20.

I like Will Anderson a lot. He should go in the top 5, but he's not some generational prospect. That's reserved for the Myles Garretts of the world. Even DeMarcus Ware went 11th.

Undersized EDGEs are just not generational. There's also a reason he didn't do all the testing.

10 minutes ago, RLC said:

Neither are generational prospects. The only one in this draft who comes close is Robinson (RB). 

Anderson is a can't miss prospect who probably hovers close to generational talents like Garrett and Bosa. He's absolutely worth trading up for (which we won't).

54 minutes ago, hukdonfoniks said:

 

Green Bay might have time on their side, but the downside for them is greater.  No GM or team would be willing to dig their heels in that far and create that kind of circus. 

Most packers fans would actually be thrilled if rodgers either played there next year or just retired. I think GB front office knows that so the downside to them is just in terms of not getting compensation for rodgers which if they don’t think is all that great they aren’t losing out that much. Still think for them if I’m not getting the compensation in this year’s draft I’d rather wait til June 1st and put in the deal ways to get better value picks in 2024 which may be a better draft and I’m clearing 15.7 mil of cap space on that trade. 

GM has been running a circus with rodgers since 2020. So i wouldn’t rule GB and their GM doing that at all. 

54 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

No kidding.  What an odd statement to make in the light of the rest of the 2019 draft class:

Dillard, Sanders, JJAW, Shareef Miller, Clayton Thorson

 

I have said before, though, I think Miles Sanders is a cautionary tale about drafting a RB too early.  Sanders was a "good" Eagle -- he put up pretty good numbers, really good YPC, wasn't very good at all as a receiver other than his rookie season where they were finding him as a downfield target in the pass game.  In the end, however, he failed to make an impact and objectively didn't earn a second contract with the team. 

Haven’t listened to the interview but mclane saying there’s more context to it 

 

28 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

It is if you view Anderson or Carter as generational talents.

Do you view Carter as a generational talent? If you do, can you explain why? Legit question that I've still yet to see an answer to. I've posed that question numerous times on here and no one has given an answer. I see mock drafts that say Carter is the best player in the draft, but then there is nothing to back it up.

It feels like one day someone said Jalen Carter is the best player in the draft and everyone said, OK he is, but never asked why.

I posted 2 highlight tapes of DT available next year in Leonard Taylor and Michael Hall Jr. who I would take today over Jalen Carter. 

5 minutes ago, RLC said:

I like Will Anderson a lot. He should go in the top 5, but he's not some generational prospect. That's reserved for the Myles Garretts of the world. Even DeMarcus Ware went 11th.

Undersized EDGEs are just not generational. There's also a reason he didn't do all the testing.

I don’t put too much into his size profile. Sometimes they end up mattering, sometimes not. But what I saw in 2021 was an unblockable freak. Didn’t quite match that in 2022, but I’ve seen how nasty and explosive and relentless he is. And no character concerns. I’d rather give up 10 and 30 to come away with a guy like that than take two much less sure things with less upside. The Eagles generally have had good success trading up. Identify difference makers and pursue them if it’s affordable.

I always go back to the Marcus Smith draft. The Eagles were right at the cutoff for 1st rounded graded prospects. Opted not to trade up a few spots for Cooks because they wanted a 3rd rounder. Ended up with Marcus Smith. In this case the Eagles have a chance to jump into the first tier of the draft rather than being stuck in the 2nd tier.

That Marcus Smith draft taught me if you feel like you’re in a spot where you’re stuck at a full tier of prospects lower, always jump into that top tier of you view the guy you’re getting as a prospect you really love.

22 minutes ago, RLC said:

Neither are generational prospects. The only one in this draft who comes close is Robinson (RB). 

I don’t think Robinson is a generational talent at all. If anything I think he’s overrated.

He’a a RB prospect with no defining elite trait or skill. He’s very good at a lot of things, but that doesn’t make you anywhere close to generational IMO.

Looking at the highest rated LB prospects, Drew Sanders is the only one I'd be interested in.  Sewell and Campbell both look slow in coverage, and I don't see the instincts in Trenton Simpson.  Sanders looks like he can provide value both near the LOS and in coverage.

I should correct myself on Noah Sewell -- he looks absolutely Lost In Space.  

45 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Zach and Bo were saying something similar to what I mentioned a few days ago. It's kinda what I've been feeling for the last week or so. That the Eagles rarely pick in the top 10 and Howie probably views this as a chance to get one of the best players in a draft. So they think his goal will be to trade up. Whether or not the price is prohibitive remains to be seen, but I agree and feel the same way.

I think what they said is likely the logic howie would use. However i think the cost to move up is going to be too rich. To get Anderson need to get to 3. Either cards take him or if they don’t and trade out then seattle is definitely taking him at 5 as colts go Qb. Gonna be way too costly.

I’m not sure the eagles want to move up to 5-7 at what it costs for the questions that surround Carter. Maybe Wilson but he has some health concerns coming from college. I don’t think Gonzalez or Witherspoon are can’t miss corner prospects like sauce was. I wouldn’t trade up much to get either. I think the guy you’d trade up to get and give up a lot is really Anderson. carter, Wilson, two corners I’d trade up but i wouldn’t trade much to do it.  

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Do you view Carter as a generational talent? If you do, can you explain why? Legit question that I've still yet to see an answer to. I've posed that question numerous times on here and no one has given an answer. I see mock drafts that say Carter is the best player in the draft, but then there is nothing to back it up.

It feels like one day someone said Jalen Carter is the best player in the draft and everyone said, OK he is, but never asked why.

I posted 2 highlight tapes of DT available next year in Leonard Taylor and Michael Hall Jr. who I would take today over Jalen Carter. 

I don’t know enough about scouting interior lineman to say, but I will tell you the people I trust say that he has generational raw power. He’s the type of guy that can just plow through any interior lineman and blow up plays.

As for why that hasn’t translated to more sacks I haven’t broken down every snap of him, but I did see some signs of this power and penetration ability from what I’ve seen. So I’m mainly trusting the draft niks ok this one while kinda being somewhat ambivalent myself.

24 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Strongly disagree. Especially with Anderson, but I think Carter has a chance to be. He's the highest rated DT prospect in a while and has rare raw power.

I think this is the exact draft to trade up given it's not a strong 1st round. You pay a premium to come away with the best talent in a class where there aren't a lot of guys who excite you. I think any time you're picking in the top 10, the goal is to get a blue chip player, and I think Anderson is precisely the type of guy you trade up for.

I think some have soured on Anderson after 2022, but he was insane in 2021. Unblockable. If you're getting that Anderson you're getting the next Demarcus Ware for a decade. Sign me up over major questions at pretty much every other guy that's draft between 10 and 20.

You should watch Chris Simm's DE analysis. He gives a pretty compelling case of why Anderson is not a generational or even top tier talent in this draft

13 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Most packers fans would actually be thrilled if rodgers either played there next year or just retired. I think GB front office knows that so the downside to them is just in terms of not getting compensation for rodgers which if they don’t think is all that great they aren’t losing out that much. Still think for them if I’m not getting the compensation in this year’s draft I’d rather wait til June 1st and put in the deal ways to get better value picks in 2024 which may be a better draft and I’m clearing 15.7 mil of cap space on that trade. 

GM has been running a circus with rodgers since 2020. So i wouldn’t rule GB and their GM doing that at all. 

I got the impression that Packers are ready to move on with Love