Sanders is more of a pass rusher 

Campbell was the best backer in football last year in coverage 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think what they said is likely the logic howie would use. However i think the cost to move up is going to be too rich. To get Anderson need to get to 3. Either cards take him or if they don’t and trade out then seattle is definitely taking him at 5 as colts go Qb. Gonna be way too costly.

I’m not sure the eagles want to move up to 5-7 at what it costs for the questions that surround Carter. Maybe Wilson but he has some health concerns coming from college. I don’t think Gonzalez or Witherspoon are can’t miss corner prospects like sauce was. I wouldn’t trade up much to get either. I think the guy you’d trade up to get and give up a lot is really Anderson. carter, Wilson, two corners I’d trade up but i wouldn’t trade much to do it.  

Yep the cost to go from 10 to 3 for Anderson is too much for the Eagles but I can see another team making a move for him if the Cards are willing to comply (which is the current rumor). I saw someone mention going up to 8 if Tyree is there. I could see that.

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think what they said is likely the logic howie would use. However i think the cost to move up is going to be too rich. To get Anderson need to get to 3. Either cards take him or if they don’t and trade out then seattle is definitely taking him at 5 as colts go Qb. Gonna be way too costly.

I’m not sure the eagles want to move up to 5-7 at what it costs for the questions that surround Carter. Maybe Wilson but he has some health concerns coming from college. I don’t think Gonzalez or Witherspoon are can’t miss corner prospects like sauce was. I wouldn’t trade up much to get either. I think the guy you’d trade up to get and give up a lot is really Anderson. carter, Wilson, two corners I’d trade up but i wouldn’t trade much to do it.  

This could be the case but I do think Seattle is a wildcard for drafting a QB. Smith is 33 and had one good season. I think they view him similar to how the Raiders view Jimmy G. A short term solution and stability just in case. And also there have been reports some teams view Nolan Smith or Wilson better than Anderson for whatever reason. Who knows if Seattle is one of those teams.

Also some teams in general just like to trade down and prefer quantity over quality. Maybe Seattle is one of those teams. The Eagles may very well have to move up to 3 for Anderson but I’m saying there’s other variables that could come into play to make him falling a tiny bit a possibility.

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I got the impression that Packers are ready to move on with Love

I think they would move on with love. I wouldn’t rule out they’d bring him back either. Packers did this dance 2 years ago with rodgers. Let’s not forget he and the packers FO were at massive odds and willing to part ways things were aired out to the media. Then they didn’t and gave him a massive extension. I think they eventually trade him but i don’t rule out anything with GB and that FO 

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Looking at the highest rated LB prospects, Drew Sanders is the only one I'd be interested in.  Sewell and Campbell both look slow in coverage, and I don't see the instincts in Trenton Simpson.  Sanders looks like he can provide value both near the LOS and in coverage.

I should correct myself on Noah Sewell -- he looks absolutely Lost In Space.  

I like Drew Sanders a lot.  Would bring some size and physicality to the LB room.  I'm still draft crushing on Ivan Pace.  He's Mychal Kendricks 2.0.  He was the one LB I wanted back in 2012 and was so excited when they got him. Pace is 5-11 230, Kendricks was 5-11 239.

Pace is a dog and would bring a much needed physicality and swagger to the defense.  Nakobe Dean is a cerebral LB who is never going to win battles based on physical play.  Pairing him with another short LB might not be ideal but Pace would more than make up for what Dean lacks.

 

2 minutes ago, Next_Up said:

You should watch Chris Simm's DE analysis. He gives a pretty compelling case of why Anderson is not a generational or even top tier talent in this draft

I saw, but I disagree. He was so freaking good in 2021 and played dominant ball in big games too. I remember watching him in the moment saying this is one of the best edge rushers I’ve seen in years. As we get closer to the draft there’s always going to be analysts who nitpick. We saw it last year with Hutchinson. And the Jags foolishly passed on him. Just like Hutchinson last year, Anderson is the obvious best pass rusher this year. I don’t want to overthink it as people tend to do with so much down time before the draft.

49 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

 

We've entered the "20 different guys are going top 10" part of the draft cycle

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

So the Anthony Richardson one is super fascinating lol

 

.  That could be really good... or really bad.    I'd love to know where these come from though.   What attributes of each are they discussing? 

Let's combine Joe Montana, Brett Favre, and Peyton Manning.... we'll use Montana's height, Farve's gunslinger mentality and Manning's mobility.  Does that guy even get an invite to a training camp?

4 minutes ago, Eagz said:

Yep the cost to go from 10 to 3 for Anderson is too much for the Eagles but I can see another team making a move for him if the Cards are willing to comply (which is the current rumor). I saw someone mention going up to 8 if Tyree is there. I could see that.

I think moving from 8 to 10 is likely not costing you a ton and likely get some of that back trading out of 30. That i definitely could see especially for Wilson. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think they would move on with love. I wouldn’t rule out they’d bring him back either. Packers did this dance 2 years ago with rodgers. Let’s not forget he and the packers FO were at massive odds and willing to part ways things were aired out to the media. Then they didn’t and gave him a massive extension. I think they eventually trade him but i don’t rule out anything with GB and that FO 

Packers need to just move on and trade Rodgers for that 1st + the other pick and be done with it

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Come on Eagles, let's go.

 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

We've entered the "20 different guys are going top 10" part of the draft cycle

Can’t wait for next week’s BS lol 

If I was to pick a player who has the  best shot at being a pro bowler year in and year out ,Skoronski is my pick , looks like the next great OL 

4 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I don’t know enough about scouting interior lineman to say, but I will tell you the people I trust say that he has generational raw power. He’s the type of guy that can just plow through any interior lineman and blow up plays.

As for why that hasn’t translated to more sacks I haven’t broken down every snap of him, but I did see some signs of this power and penetration ability from what I’ve seen. So I’m mainly trusting the draft niks ok this one while kinda being somewhat ambivalent myself.

But he doesn't, though.

The first player below is Jalen Carter.  The second player below is Myles Murphy.  The same amount of college games, and Murphy is nearly twice as productive.  I'm not sure what the buzz around Jalen Carter is; I still haven't seen it.  Even though I nicknamed Lukas Van Ness the Luk Ness Monster, it's Carter that apparently has mythical attributes that are not readily seen nor verified.

 

Defense & Fumbles

						Tackles					Def Int					Fumbles
Year	School	Conf	Class	Pos	G	Solo	Ast	Tot	Loss	Sk	Int	Yds	Avg	TD	PD	FR	Yds	TD	FF
Career	Georgia					44	39	83	18.5	6.0	0
*2020	Georgia	SEC	FR	DL	8	11	3	14	3.0	0.0	0	0		0	0	0			0
*2021	Georgia	SEC	SO	DL	14	17	20	37	8.5	3.0	0	0		0	1	0			0
*2022	Georgia	SEC	SR	DL	13	16	16	32	7.0	3.0	0	0		0	3	0	0	0	2

 

Defense & Fumbles

						Tackles					Def Int					Fumbles
Year	School	Conf	Class	Pos	G	Solo	Ast	Tot	Loss	Sk	Int	Yds	Avg	TD	PD	FR	Yds	TD	FF
Career	Clemson					61	55	116	36.0	18.5	0	0		0	5	0	0
*2020	Clemson	ACC	FR	DE	12	18	19	37	10.5	4.0	0	0		0	1	0			3
*2021	Clemson	ACC	SO	DE	10	21	18	39	14.5	8.0	0	0		0	2	0			2
*2022	Clemson	ACC	SR	DE	13	22	18	40	11.0	6.5	0	0		0	2	0	0	0	1

Just now, Mike030270 said:

Packers need to just move on and trade Rodgers for that 1st + the other pick and be done with it

I think if the jets were giving a 1st rounder and other picks it’d be done. From reports the jets don’t want to give up a first or future picks knowing rodgers could retire after 2023 

7 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I don’t know enough about scouting interior lineman to say, but I will tell you the people I trust say that he has generational raw power. He’s the type of guy that can just plow through any interior lineman and blow up plays.

As for why that hasn’t translated to more sacks I haven’t broken down every snap of him, but I did see some signs of this power and penetration ability from what I’ve seen. So I’m mainly trusting the draft niks ok this one while kinda being somewhat ambivalent myself.

He does have power, I'll give him that.  But he's got little to no technique, depending 100% of his natural strength and power.  He's lazy in pursuit and his approach to the game and scout after scout (who I'll trust over draft niks) say that he doesn't love the game and doesn't take too kindly to coaching.  

If the Eagles had a Jeff Stoutland type as a DL coach, I might feel better about Carter but they don't.  Outside of Fletcher Cox and as of this year, Javon Hargrave, have the Eagles ever developed at DT?  

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

But he doesn't, though.

The first player below is Jalen Carter.  The second player below is Myles Murphy.  The same amount of college games, and Murphy is nearly twice as productive.  I'm not sure what the buzz around Jalen Carter is; I still haven't seen it.  Even though I nicknamed Lukas Van Ness the Luk Ness Monster, it's Carter that apparently has mythical attributes that are not readily seen nor verified.

 

Defense & Fumbles

						Tackles					Def Int					Fumbles
Year	School	Conf	Class	Pos	G	Solo	Ast	Tot	Loss	Sk	Int	Yds	Avg	TD	PD	FR	Yds	TD	FF
Career	Georgia					44	39	83	18.5	6.0	0
*2020	Georgia	SEC	FR	DL	8	11	3	14	3.0	0.0	0	0		0	0	0			0
*2021	Georgia	SEC	SO	DL	14	17	20	37	8.5	3.0	0	0		0	1	0			0
*2022	Georgia	SEC	SR	DL	13	16	16	32	7.0	3.0	0	0		0	3	0	0	0	2

 

Defense & Fumbles

						Tackles					Def Int					Fumbles
Year	School	Conf	Class	Pos	G	Solo	Ast	Tot	Loss	Sk	Int	Yds	Avg	TD	PD	FR	Yds	TD	FF
Career	Clemson					61	55	116	36.0	18.5	0	0		0	5	0	0
*2020	Clemson	ACC	FR	DE	12	18	19	37	10.5	4.0	0	0		0	1	0			3
*2021	Clemson	ACC	SO	DE	10	21	18	39	14.5	8.0	0	0		0	2	0			2
*2022	Clemson	ACC	SR	DE	13	22	18	40	11.0	6.5	0	0		0	2	0	0	0	1

I don't think that necessarily shows he doesn't have that kind of talent. Just that it hasn't translated into superb statistical production yet. But I think the feeling is he has the raw power to do it under the right tutelage. Maybe all the pundits are wrong, but he's considered the best DT prospect in years. I at least see the potential there, I've seen some plays where he completely blows up the play. Just pancakes iOL. I never saw that with Davis. But still, many more questions than Will Anderson. Which is why I wouldn't give up 10 and 30 to move up for Carter, but I would for Anderson.

5 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I don't think that necessarily shows he doesn't have that kind of talent. Just that it hasn't translated into superb statistical production yet. But I think the feeling is he has the raw power to do it under the right tutelage. Maybe all the pundits are wrong, but he's considered the best DT prospect in years. I at least see the potential there, I've seen some plays where he completely blows up the play. Just pancakes iOL. I never saw that with Davis. But still, many more questions than Will Anderson. Which is why I wouldn't give up 10 and 30 to move up for Carter, but I would for Anderson.

Full disclosure, I was saying the same things about Travon Walker last year at this time, and he went #1 overall to JAX.  I don't think he had a very good rookie season (apparently came on late) and I think the Jags will regret that pick 5-10 years down the road, but we will see. 

I didn't view Travon Walker as a top 10 prospect and I don't see it with Jalen Carter, either.

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Full disclosure, I was saying the same things about Travon Walker last year at this time, and he went #1 overall to JAX.  I don't think he had a very good rookie season (apparently came on late) and I think the Jags will regret that pick 5-10 years down the road, but we will see. 

I didn't view Travon Walker as a top 10 prospect and I don't see it with Jalen Carter, either.

I think in general though DTs in college usually don't put up huge numbers.

Look at Carter's production compared to some recent highly drafted DTs:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jalen-carter-1.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/vita-vea-1.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/fletcher-cox-1.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jeffery-simmons-1.html

 

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Full disclosure, I was saying the same things about Travon Walker last year at this time, and he went #1 overall to JAX.  I don't think he had a very good rookie season (apparently came on late) and I think the Jags will regret that pick 5-10 years down the road, but we will see. 

I didn't view Travon Walker as a top 10 prospect and I don't see it with Jalen Carter, either.

UGA DL work great as a unit in the SEC.  That's it.  Who's the last UGA DL that has played well in the league?  Reminding me a lot of Clemson DE.  They would dominate in college and flop in the NFL.

Derek Barnett had 21 tackles and 5 sacks his rookie year and no one was happy about that.

Travon Walker had 24 tackles and 3.5 sacks...as the 1st pick in the draft.  I'd be furious if the Eagles had the 1st pick and that's what they got out of him.

7 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I think in general though DTs in college usually don't put up huge numbers.

Look at Carter's production compared to some recent highly drafted DTs:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jalen-carter-1.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/vita-vea-1.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/fletcher-cox-1.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jeffery-simmons-1.html

 

College DT production will never be high...unless you're a generational talent, which Carter is not.  Warren Sapp was.  He had 10.5 sacks his last year at UM.

 

 

10 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

College DT production will never be high...unless you're a generational talent, which Carter is not.  Warren Sapp was.  He had 10.5 sacks his last year at UM.

 

While he wasn't generational, if the Eagles took Carter at 10 or moved up a few spots for him and he became the next Fletcher Cox I'd sign up for that in a heartbeat. If you get a Fletcher Cox caliber player with your 1st round pick, you've done extremely well.

50 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

This could be the case but I do think Seattle is a wildcard for drafting a QB. Smith is 33 and had one good season. I think they view him similar to how the Raiders view Jimmy G. A short term solution and stability just in case. And also there have been reports some teams view Nolan Smith or Wilson better than Anderson for whatever reason. Who knows if Seattle is one of those teams.

Also some teams in general just like to trade down and prefer quantity over quality. Maybe Seattle is one of those teams. The Eagles may very well have to move up to 3 for Anderson but I’m saying there’s other variables that could come into play to make him falling a tiny bit a possibility.

It looks like the Smith contract is a 1 year deal put up as a 3 year deal, so the Seahawks can very much get out of it early if they want to.  A QB in Seattle does make a ton of sense as they may not get a pick that high again. How many years of Smith or Lock can any one team take?

24 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

While he wasn't generational, if the Eagles took Carter at 10 or moved up a few spots for him and he became the next Fletcher Cox I'd sign up for that in a heartbeat. If you get a Fletcher Cox caliber player with your 1st round pick, you've done extremely well.