This would be a home-run hire. DON'T LET HIM LEAVE THE BUILDING

9 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

I am not talking about 2024. Look at your OTC chart. It says the guaranteed money for 2023 is 11.25M. Spotrac doesn’t have guaranteed money charted. Yes it’s right at the moment but when the option happens the guaranteed money will drop to 1.08M and they will give him a check for the 10M as a bonus. Then the 2027 void year will go from 2M to 9M and they will add a void year for 2028 at 3M. 

Part of the issue is the semantics of how OTC words their sections.

Notice your article’s wording:

"His 2023 base salary would reduce from a fully-guaranteed $11.25 million to a fully-guaranteed $1.08 million with the option being exercised.”

That 1.08m$ salary is fully guaranteed. Yet OTC does not add it to guarantees, why? Because signing bonuses work very different than all other guarantees. You cannot prorate a salary like you can a signing bonus, even if it’s fully guaranteed, so that need to be in a different spot. You can think of the salary section as "salaries, guaranteed or otherwise,” and That guarantees list should really be "guaranteed bonuses”. If it was still his whole 11m$ guaranteed salary, it’d be in with that fully guaranteed 1.08m.

OTC makes it trickier to follow, but it is being converted into a signing bonus, a different kind of guarantee. So 11m$ in guarantees is right with what you’re stating

@MillerTime

The column in green is almost irrelevant to cap calculation. All this is saying is his base salary is fully guaranteed as well as the option bonus. The red boxes are what you add to get to his 2023 cap number. Within the prorated bonus part of 2023 is his signing bonus proration and his option bonus proration.

His signing bonus was $23,234,000. That gets spread out 5 years from 2022 to 2026 evenly at $4,646,800 per year. 

His option bonus is $11,250,000 - $1,080,000 = $10,170,000. That gets spread out 5 years from 2023 to 2027 evenly at $2,034,000 per year.

So you take the $4,646,800 + $2,034,000 = $6,728,894 which is the number in the prorated bonus box in 2023. They already have it factored into their calculation. 

 

7 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

I know we aren’t taking away money from AJ. We are giving him a check for 10M and moving the cap space from 2023 to void years in 2027 and 2028.

Exactly, but not technically. Weird way it works, but it only gets turned into a signing bonus for the books… he still gets that 10m$ as if it were salary with his game checks.

But that "check” is being added to the guarantee section. That’s why it’s 11m. It would have stayed in salary if it were guaranteed salary. Confusing but accurate

Just now, pgcd3 said:

 

Posted already. But I love this if they can get him 

1 minute ago, GroundAttack said:

Posted already. But I love this if they can get him 

Missed it. Sorry.

Are the Eagles the only team to have interviewed him?

10 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

I am not talking about 2024. Look at your OTC chart. It says the guaranteed money for 2023 is 11.25M. Spotrac doesn’t have guaranteed money charted. Yes it’s right at the moment but when the option happens the guaranteed money will drop to 1.08M and they will give him a check for the 10M as a bonus. Then the 2027 void year will go from 2M to 9M and they will add a void year for 2028 at 3M. 

That's not how bonus proration works. It's all in the CBA, it has to be split evenly across years, and a max of 5 years. OTC is showing another option bonus in 2024 which is why there is dead money in 2028 (spread 2024 through 2028). Spotrac is showing this 2024 option bonus as a part of his base salary for some reason. 

Reminder: Jim Leonhard is the best defensive coordinator in college football.

3 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Exactly, but not technically. Weird way it works, but it only gets turned into a signing bonus for the books… he still gets that 10m$ as if it were salary with his game checks.

But that "check” is being added to the guarantee section. That’s why it’s 11m. It would have stayed in salary if it were guaranteed salary. Confusing but accurate

If this were the case the Eagles would be over the salary cap by 15M right now. They have to be under by the day the league year starts. They can’t pick up the option for both players until after the league year starts.

4 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

If this were the case the Eagles would be over the salary cap by 15M right now. They have to be under by the day the league year starts. They can’t pick up the option for both players until after the league year starts.

Yes, so what we’re saying is OTC is already assuming they’ll do it. They’ve prematurely added it. AJ’s cap hit in 2023 cannot possibly be lower than 6m. So if it’s only 8m on the site, then measures have already been taken to engage that 10m$ option on OTC’s part

So this may mean we’ll see other activity before the new league year to alleviate your 15m$ over the cap if that’s the case

Just now, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Yes, so what we’re saying is OTC is already assuming they’ll do it. They’ve prematurely added it

Well then we have a bigger problem. We would have to restructure lane and slay to be under. But the good news is this is not the case. OTC updates the option bonuses towards the cap number on the main screen when it happens. That was proven with Cox’s option bonus last year.

3 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

Well then we have a bigger problem. We would have to restructure lane and slay to be under. But the good news is this is not the case. OTC updates the option bonuses towards the cap number on the main screen when it happens. That was proven with Cox’s option bonus last year.

It is not possible to have an 8m cap hit for AJ brown before the option is engaged. He also does not have 11m$ in bonuses for 2023 before the option. They’ve already added it

Just now, MillerTime said:

Well then we have a bigger problem. We would have to restructure lane and slay to be under. But the good news is this is not the case. OTC updates the option bonuses towards the cap number on the main screen when it happens. That was proven with Cox’s option bonus last year.

We don't have to restructure anyone to be under. The option bonus in it's entirety is never going to hit 2023. Like I said that guaranteed salary column is a cash basis column. That is the cash we are paying him in 2023. It has nothing to do with cap basis. 

1 hour ago, MillerTime said:

With the options with Brown and Reddick we will have 35M in cap space. I’ve been thinking this morning. I think we should cut ties with Slay as a post june 1st cut and leave Lane alone.

and yes cutting Ques saves 2.7M which i think we should do and move on to a different slot WR.

Slay is a respected leader on this team. I don't see him just getting cut, his play wasn't that bad and we're not going full rebuild mode. 

2 hours ago, paco said:

I'd go mid-late round rookie but that's now how the organization rolls.  I wouldn't be shocked if they bring in Baker and sports radio has a 2 month long meltdown

I wouldn’t mind having Mayfield as the #2 QB, but I seriously doubt he accepts a role sitting behind Hurts.  I get the feeling Mayfield ends up in Miami waiting for another Tua concussion 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

We don't have to restructure anyone to be under. The option bonus in it's entirety is never going to hit 2023. Like I said that guaranteed salary column is a cash basis column. That is the cash we are paying him in 2023. It has nothing to do with cap basis. 

I emailed Jason from OTC.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

According to Caplan, a coaching source said Rallis interviewed for Eagles DC job. 

If he was running Gannon's system then thank god he wasn't hired. 

24 minutes ago, RLC said:

This would be a home-run hire. DON'T LET HIM LEAVE THE BUILDING

Feels like Eagles aren't looking to just promote from within for the DC role where as Johnson has the OC job locked in. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Feels like Eagles aren't looking to just promote from within for the DC role where as Johnson has the OC job locked in. 

Yup.  I feel like the Eagles low-key give Dennard Wilson a raise to avoid having him leave for a promotion elsewhere but hire a more experienced guy for the DC job.

It’s hard for a 14-3 team to keep their Super Bowl window open with two rookie coordinators.  Meanwhile, the Cardinals being a dumpster fire hire two coordinators with almost zero experience to work under Gannon, who only had one coordinator job for two years before ascending to head coach.

Nick & Howie interviewing real, external candidates is a fantastic sign that they get it.

14 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

If he was running Gannon's system then thank god he wasn't hired. 

I don't think the problem was Gannon's system but playcalling.  He just could not be consistently aggressive.  I have no problem with his use of zone coverages and 5 down looks.  

11 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Feels like Eagles aren't looking to just promote from within for the DC role where as Johnson has the OC job locked in. 

I still believe if the cardinals knew how to do a coaching search and would’ve interviewed Gannon before the divisional round or let it be known he was a major candidate for the job that fangio would’ve been the DC and paid just as well as he got from Miami.