19 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Injuries are independent of covid, but not necessarily independent of player decisions outside of football. Are we making players sleep in hyperbaric chambers when they aren't working on their game with the team in order to eliminate all non-work risk? What about colds, flu, and other contagious ailments that aren't regulated that can also cause a player to miss a game or play poorly (due to not being 100%)? 

As for games missed due to vaccinated vs unvaccinated, do you have data? Plenty of fully vaccinated personnel missed games due to covid. They weren't necessarily absent because they couldn't perform their jobs, but because the NFL's covid policy required it. 

Would need to know all vaccination status etc so impossible to have data. Can only predict based on population data which of course can vary wildly and is incomplete/inconsistent due to both inconsistent policy and reporting.

its also about minimizing risk of contagion not just the illness

1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:

I am not even sure how to begin describing this irony…

 

The covid vaccines do not stop the spread.   End of story. 

20 hours ago, justwinbaby said:

You have no clue how risky the long term effects are with the vaccine. No one does. Take the vaccine or don't but no one should be ridiculed if they decided not to. I'm disgusted by people who feel the need to do that. 

FDR said it best … you have nothing to fear but fear itself.

17 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Stop campaigning to get others to share their hate for the person. 

No campaign.  The question was asked, "I’ll never understand …” which prompted my reply.  Asked and answered.

13 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

What do you think of a person that has a couple beers at a football game and drives home? There are an awful lot of cars in the parking lot(s) and they aren't Taxis or Ubers. Of course a couple beers isn't likely to raise a blood-alcohol limit above what is legal, and there are other factors like eating, but it can still impair a person's reaction time. What about people that drive over the speed limit? They aren't the only people on the road and may have passengers at risk too. 

My point --- it's easy to be disgusted with other people or to pretend to be better or more perfect than someone else. It even makes us feel good to conclude we are better than the next guy for whatever reason. 

Pretty disingenuous argument.  I had one employee come to work while positive for COVID; they were contagious enough to make 6 other people sick.  Those people missed time, not because they tested positive, but were sick enough they were unable to come in even if they were allowed to.  Meanwhile, I've driven 5-6 MPH above the posted limit virtually every day for the past 40 years and never been in an accident, caused an accident, or witnessed an accident.

People knew they were making others sick while exposing themselves to COVID.  They simply didn't give a crap.  The disgust comes from the disregard for other people's health and safety. 

17 hours ago, Iggles25 said:

The Blog is just a Je Ne Sais Quoi.

And I tend to like that.

Speaking of Je Ne Sais Quoi, I miss Peter Schickele.

https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~mwm/pdq/smix.html

3 hours ago, mikemack8 said:

Man the blog has been on fire lately.  Discussions about movies that were made 172 years ago, people trying to pretend they're experts on hunting, and now the COVID vaccine.  

@HazletonEagle complained that it was dead in here.  So, it got lively.

2 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

 

Strange list.  Isn't Matt Ryan retired?

I suspect there's a bunch of guys on this list that are way over estimating how much teams want their service.  If these guys were willing to sign anywhere for a 1 year veteran minimum, they'd probably be signed already. 

Speaking of, for the sake of my own personal amusement, can we arrange for Zeke to go play in DC?   

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

Carson Wentz took a hunting trip. CLEARLY he isn't taking this seriously.

Reub decided to chime in with this nonsense. 

But I think what makes Wentz look so bad and why this photo sparked so much outrage is the timing of it and the current circumstances of his career. He should be in the prime of his career, but he’s out of work at 30, looking (unsuccessfully so far) for his fourth team in four years, 28-34 in 62 starts since he got hurt in L.A. in 2017, with three career postseason passing yards, and he's never seemed too upset or accountable about all of it. And this photo just adds to the whole tone-deaf nature of his recent career. Wentz didn’t break any laws, he didn’t violate any local customs, he didn’t do anything tons of other people haven’t done. It’s just that Wentz should have had a better sense of how this photo was going to come across considering everything else going on in his world. Just a bad look.

This is such a dumb comment.  "He shouldn't be allowed to have any fun in his life because he hasn't had much success in the NFL since 2017". "You can't have a picture that looks like you're doing something you enjoy because you sucked in DC last year."  WTF does that have to do with anything?  IDGAF if he goes hunting in his free time and neither should you.    Give it up, Reub.  Normally, I love what you write but this is not where it's at.

 

 

1 minute ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

Strange list.  Isn't Matt Ryan retired?

I suspect there's a bunch of guys on this list that are way over estimating how much teams want their service.  If these guys were willing to sign anywhere for a 1 year veteran minimum, they'd probably be signed already. 

Speaking of, for the sake of my own personal amusement, can we arrange for Zeke to go play in DC?   

 

 

 

The RBs definitely are overestimating. They're trying to change the market and I don't think it's going to work

5 minutes ago, mattwill said:

@HazletonEagle complained that it was dead in here.  So, it got lively.

Touche!

52 minutes ago, mattwill said:

As Toast said, it isn’t hare, it is disgust.

When it came out that getting vaccinated didn't prevent transmission, what is ultimately the difference of being around someone who got the shot and didn't? We were initially sold that "if you get this shot, you won't get COVID" and that's when this scarlet letter of "you're selfish and don't care about anyone else's health" started for those who didn't want to get it. But then it turned out that it didn't stop transmission. 

If you want to make a case for healthcare workers being overwhelmed and hospitals being occupied by unvaxxed patients I think that's fair. If you want to make a case that they're taking a risk with their own health, I think that's fair as well. Maybe those scenarios are where you look at them in "disgust". But from a human to human interaction, what is the difference between being around someone who got the shot and didn't? 

44 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

My point --- it's easy to be disgusted with other people or to pretend to be better or more perfect than someone else. It even makes us feel good to conclude we are better than the next guy for whatever reason. 

Your point would be valid if Toast or I or any one of a number of disgusted folks thought they are actually better than the next guy, but I know i am realistic about my own shortcomings … and those shortcomings are many.

Why are we letting Covid still divide us? What's wrong with asking questions about how things were handled? Why does it still seem like if you question anything about what happened for two years, there's a select group who wants to vilify anyone for wanting to know more? I think there more questions we ask the better. There were BILLIONS of dollars made by companies while many of our favorite local places shut down for good. There was and still is a lot of local money being given out at local and state levels that's just pure waste. 

Did y'all see the bit about Anne Zagre?  She is a shot putter, but ran the 100m hurdles because everyone else was hurt and Belgium would have been disqualified if she did not compete.  

She did not win, but it's still a great story.  

 

2 hours ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Which is basically an indirect mandate. Get the shot or lose your job? Most people are not in a situation where they can just find another job. Might as well have been a mandate for those people. 

 It was only a hard choice if you believed the misinformation about the risks of the vaccine.

Most of those positions with vaccine requirements for Covid 19 also require people to get other vaccines and flu shots every year. 

13 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

When it came out that getting vaccinated didn't prevent transmission, what is ultimately the difference of being around someone who got the shot and didn't? We were initially sold that "if you get this shot, you won't get COVID" and that's when this scarlet letter of "you're selfish and don't care about anyone else's health" started for those who didn't want to get it. But then it turned out that it didn't stop transmission. 

If you want to make a case for healthcare workers being overwhelmed and hospitals being occupied by unvaxxed patients I think that's fair. If you want to make a case that they're taking a risk with their own health, I think that's fair as well. Maybe those scenarios are where you look at them in "disgust". But from a human to human interaction, what is the difference between being around someone who got the shot and didn't? 

You are living in a binary mindset. 

The data available suggests the vaccines partly reduced transmission.  In the early days when the availability of robust data was missing, an abundance of caution was warranted.  The American ethos of individuality and independence runs counter to the ethos of an abundance of caution. 

According to the clinical trial data, both the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines were highly effective at preventing Covid-19, the disease, but it’s less well known how well they prevent infection with SARS-CoV-2, the virus. Although Covid-19 and SARS-CoV-2 are often used interchangeably, they are fundamentally different. You can’t have the disease without the virus, but you can have the virus without the disease — as many asymptomatic people know.

11 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Your point would be valid if Toast or I or any one of a number of disgusted folks thought they are actually better than the next guy, but I know i am realistic about my own shortcomings … and those shortcomings are many.

There's a famous Bible verse that tells us to remove the plank from our own eye before trying to remove the speck from our brother's eye. There's a lot more wisdom in that than in anything I'll ever say. 

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Carson Wentz took a hunting trip. CLEARLY he isn't taking this seriously.

Reub decided to chime in with this nonsense. 

But I think what makes Wentz look so bad and why this photo sparked so much outrage is the timing of it and the current circumstances of his career. He should be in the prime of his career, but he’s out of work at 30, looking (unsuccessfully so far) for his fourth team in four years, 28-34 in 62 starts since he got hurt in L.A. in 2017, with three career postseason passing yards, and he's never seemed too upset or accountable about all of it. And this photo just adds to the whole tone-deaf nature of his recent career. Wentz didn’t break any laws, he didn’t violate any local customs, he didn’t do anything tons of other people haven’t done. It’s just that Wentz should have had a better sense of how this photo was going to come across considering everything else going on in his world. Just a bad look.

It must have been Wentz driving this boat (not pictured)

 

13 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

 It was only a hard choice if you believed the misinformation about the risks of the vaccine.

But there are risks to it, even if it's minimal so I don't think that classifies as "misinformation". Like I said, I got the shots with knowing that there are minimal risks to it. If someone isn't comfortable taking those risks or is a healthy 25 year old person in good shape with no co-morbidities, I respect that and don't think they should be looked down upon. 

25 minutes ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

Did y'all see the bit about Anne Zagre?  She is a shot putter, but ran the 100m hurdles because everyone else was hurt and Belgium would have been disqualified if she did not compete.  

She did not win, but it's still a great story.  

 

Would have been a lot better if she'd just blasted straight through them all

36 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

When it came out that getting vaccinated didn't prevent transmission, what is ultimately the difference of being around someone who got the shot and didn't? We were initially sold that "if you get this shot, you won't get COVID" and that's when this scarlet letter of "you're selfish and don't care about anyone else's health" started for those who didn't want to get it. But then it turned out that it didn't stop transmission. 

If you want to make a case for healthcare workers being overwhelmed and hospitals being occupied by unvaxxed patients I think that's fair. If you want to make a case that they're taking a risk with their own health, I think that's fair as well. Maybe those scenarios are where you look at them in "disgust". But from a human to human interaction, what is the difference between being around someone who got the shot and didn't? 

The difference is the risk of passing along an infection is lower additionally the risk of seriousnous illness or death is lower.  There is a ton of data that supports the efficacy of the vaccine in reducing bad outcomes for people who contract Covid. 

I do think we should ask questions but the problem is that people don't truly look to ask questions.  They look to confirm their own bias.  Moreover the anti-vaccine groups that "ask questions" lack any firm scientific understanding of how vaccines and viruses work. So they make up facts and narratives out of pure air. They spout all kinds of nonsensical things like the vaccine changes your DNA or the vaccine has microchips.   

3 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

The difference is the risk of passing along an infection is lower additionally the risk of seriousnous illness or death is lower.  There is a ton of data that supports the efficacy of the vaccine in reducing bad outcomes for people who contract Covid. 

I do think we should ask questions but the problem is that people don't truly look to ask questions.  They look to confirm their own bias.  Moreover the anti-vaccine groups that "ask questions" lack any firm scientific understanding of how vaccines and viruses work. So they make up facts and narratives out of pure air. They spout all kinds of nonsensical things like the vaccine changes your DNA or the vaccine has microchips.   

All I know for sure is the reception on my cell phone improved immediately after I got my jab.  Not saying I believe they're chipped, just asking questions. 

12 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

But there are risks to it, even if it's minimal so I don't think that classifies as "misinformation". Like I said, I got the shots with knowing that there are minimal risks to it. If someone isn't comfortable taking those risks or is a healthy 25 year old person in good shape with no co-morbidities, I respect that and don't think they should be looked down upon. 

The risk of not getting the vaccine vs. getting the vaccine is much higher.  What rational do you think makes people decide not to get the vaccine? It's not a rational choice. 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/

54 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Why are we letting Covid still divide us? What's wrong with asking questions about how things were handled? Why does it still seem like if you question anything about what happened for two years, there's a select group who wants to vilify anyone for wanting to know more? I think there more questions we ask the better. There were BILLIONS of dollars made by companies while many of our favorite local places shut down for good. There was and still is a lot of local money being given out at local and state levels that's just pure waste. 

When you are not allowed to question something, thats usually a great indication you should ask more questions. 

The Vaccine was rushed out, no real trials, COVID itself was politicized, factual information was supressed, people who questioned anything surrounding COVID were silenced- people ridiculed...etc....

I blame no one for thinking twice about getting the Vaccine. I myself was hesitant, and I folded and had 2 Pfizer shots. Also developed Multiple Pulmanary embolisms later on for no apparent reason..... coincidence?   I can tell you, the more I know now, I wish I hadn't taken the shot. 

and I dont care who in here feels morally superior and wants to tell me I'm wrong. 

 

 

I’d rather talk Hitchcock than vaccines.

Dial M for Murder is kinda underrated, I think. Plus it has Grace Kelly!!