1 hour ago, mattwill said:

@HazletonEagle complained that it was dead in here.  So, it got lively.

No I have stuff to read on the toilet so I'm happy. 

1 hour ago, brkmsn said:

What do you think of a person that has a couple beers at a football game and drives home? There are an awful lot of cars in the parking lot(s) and they aren't Taxis or Ubers. Of course a couple beers isn't likely to raise a blood-alcohol limit above what is legal, and there are other factors like eating, but it can still impair a person's reaction time. What about people that drive over the speed limit? They aren't the only people on the road and may have passengers at risk too. 

My point --- it's easy to be disgusted with other people or to pretend to be better or more perfect than someone else. It even makes us feel good to conclude we are better than the next guy for whatever reason. 

Those things are illegal no?

4 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

When you are not allowed to question something, thats usually a great indication you should ask more questions. 

The Vaccine was rushed out, no real trials, COVID itself was politicized, factual information was supressed, people who questioned anything surrounding COVID were silenced- people ridiculed...etc....

I blame no one for thinking twice about getting the Vaccine. I myself was hesitant, and I folded and had 2 Pfizer shots. Also developed Multiple Pulmanary embolisms later on for no apparent reason..... coincidence?   I can tell you, the more I know now, I wish I hadn't taken the shot. 

and I dont care who in here feels morally superior and wants to tell me I'm wrong. 

 

 

I contracted covid before the vaccines were available and from that developed atrial fibrillation. Had two heart procedures. Damn right I wish I'd had the shot in time.

Got the three later.

Purely anecdotal, I acknowledge.

1 hour ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

The covid vaccines do not stop the spread.   End of story. 

Cool story

11 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I’d rather talk Hitchcock than vaccines.

Dial M for Murder is kinda underrated, I think. Plus it has Grace Kelly!!

It is and it does. Originally shot in 3D, BTW.

6 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Those things are illegal no?

It's not illegal to drive after a drink if your blood/alcohol level is below the max limit. It would be illegal to drink or have an open container in your vehicle. 

8 minutes ago, just relax said:

I contracted covid before the vaccines were available and from that developed atrial fibrillation. Had two heart procedures. Damn right I wish I'd had the shot in time.

Got the three later.

Purely anecdotal, I acknowledge.

The studies found that the shot was even more effective for people that had developed natural immunity after recovering from covid --- if nothing has changed in the last year and a half. 

10 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I’d rather talk Hitchcock than vaccines.

Dial M for Murder is kinda underrated, I think. Plus it has Grace Kelly!!

Rear Window is still my favorite and also has Gracy Kelly.  I am assuming you're not a Kim Novak fan. 

A different news on a slow day of Eagles football.  Allen the WR ran a world class 110 hurdle race and will be going to run at the US track championship.  Wonder if his training at PS helps him or not.  Also could he wear the Eagles color at the championship?

If he finishes top 3 at the championship, he will represent USA at an international meet which will crash with TC schedule.  Tough choice.

4 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

 

The studies found that the shot was even more effective for people that had developed natural immunity after recovering from covid --- if nothing has changed in the last year and a half. 

And what are the risks for developing natural immunity again? 

36 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

The risk of not getting the vaccine vs. getting the vaccine is much higher.  What rational do you think makes people decide not to get the vaccine? It's not a rational choice. 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/

If I'm a 25 year old healthy person in shape with no co-morbidities and saw that under 7,000 people in my age cohort have died from COVID in the past 3+ years (0.6% of total deaths), should I be ridiculed for not getting vaccinated?

6 minutes ago, Penn7980 said:

A different news on a slow day of Eagles football.  Allen the WR ran a world class 110 hurdle race and will be going to run at the US track championship.  Wonder if his training at PS helps him or not.  Also could he wear the Eagles color at the championship?

If he finishes top 3 at the championship, he will represent USA at an international meet which will crash with TC schedule.  Tough choice.

I think he's going to race.  I mean it's not like he would miss all of it and it probably doesn't hurt his chance at a practice squad spot.  

2 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

If I'm a 25 year old healthy person in shape with no co-morbidities and saw that under 7,000 people in my age cohort have died from COVID in the past 3+ years (0.6% of total deaths), should I be ridiculed for not getting vaccinated?

Are you afraid that it's going to make your blood impure or is it going to change your DNA? 

31 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

No I have stuff to read on the toilet so I'm happy. 

Did you go to the Taco Bell for lunch? 

49 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I’d rather talk Hitchcock than vaccines.

Dial M for Murder is kinda underrated, I think. Plus it has Grace Kelly!!

He was just elected to the Hockey Hall of Fame!

26 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Are you afraid that it's going to make your blood impure or is it going to change your DNA? 

Are those the only reasons for a person like that to feel hesitant about taking it? Not how politicized the pandemic became, not that pharmaceutical companies made billions of dollars profiting off of it, not how the President, media, and health leaders went public and said "If you get the shot, you won't get COVID" which turned out to be erroneous information, not how someone may want to wait until more data comes out about the efficacy and risks associated with it, and not how knowing that getting vaccinated does not guarantee no transmission to another person? Are those not valid reasons? 

27 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

And what are the risks for developing natural immunity again? 

That varies from person to person. There are health factors as well that can put some people at greater risk. For myself it was just another cold with no abnormal symptoms. I didn't get the smell/taste thing that others had or anything remotely concerning or serious. 

48 minutes ago, just relax said:

I contracted covid before the vaccines were available and from that developed atrial fibrillation. Had two heart procedures. Damn right I wish I'd had the shot in time.

Got the three later.

Purely anecdotal, I acknowledge.

I have always been pro vaccine (although am questioning the utility of repeated boosters at this point), but developing afib at a certain age after a physiologic stress on the body (severe viral illness, emotional stress, running a marathon, etc etc) isn’t necessarily something that is at all specific to Covid.  
 

Covid is most closely tied to autoimmune and thromboembolic problems….and of course the pneumonia, but that component of it has really faded.

59 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

No I have stuff to read on the toilet so I'm happy. 

No or Now?

1 hour ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

But there are risks to it, even if it's minimal so I don't think that classifies as "misinformation". Like I said, I got the shots with knowing that there are minimal risks to it. If someone isn't comfortable taking those risks or is a healthy 25 year old person in good shape with no co-morbidities, I respect that and don't think they should be looked down upon. 

There are risks to taking aspirin (I’m one of the people who has serious problems breathing if I take any medicine in the aspirin family) or Tylenol (as was documented recently the morning after pill has lower risk than Tylenol does).  There are risks driving a car.  I don’t believe there is much in life that is risk free. 
 

When factual information is used as a weapon in a political/public relations communication, it is misinformation.  We live in a pluralistic democracy. That form of government/society is built on the concept of the greater good.  Our individual actions affect others. Doing to those others as you would have them do unto you is being a good citizen of our pluralistic democracy. You may be 25, but the people you come into contact with are not as lucky (chronologically) as you are.

This is my last word on this subject.  I respect your right to have your opinion.  I just don’t agree with that opinion in this case.

20 minutes ago, mattwill said:

There are risks to taking aspirin (I’m one of the people who has serious problems breathing if I take any medicine in the aspirin family) or Tylenol (as was documented recently the morning after pill has lower risk than Tylenol does).  There are risks driving a car.  I don’t believe there is much in life that is risk free. 
 

When factual information is used as a weapon in a political/public relations communication, it is misinformation.  We live in a pluralistic democracy. That form of government/society is built on the concept of the greater good.  Our individual actions affect others. Doing to those others as you would have them do unto you is being a good citizen of our pluralistic democracy. You may be 25, but the people you come into contact with are not as lucky (chronologically) as you are.

This is my last word on this subject.  I respect your right to have your opinion.  I just don’t agree with that opinion in this case.

I respect your opinion as well and it's not my purpose or intent to turn this into a vaccine debate. I am pro-vaccine and as I said, I got the shots. But as more time has passed and we learn more information, a lot of people have questions which I think are fair to ask. Statistically, what are your percentages against transmission standing next to someone who is vaccinated versus not vaccinated? If you are fully vaccinated and protected to help with mild symptoms, how is someone who isn't vaccinated jeopardizing your livelihood and health? 

I'm not asking these specifically to you. I'm asking if there are studies out there regarding transmission. 

The more time passes, the more I have an issue ostracizing people who chose not to get vaccinated and people losing jobs because it was required for them to keep them. I think if they want to take that risk, they should be able to do so. 

18 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Are those the only reasons for a person like that to feel hesitant about taking it? Not how politicized the pandemic became, not that pharmaceutical companies made billions of dollars profiting off of it, not how the President, media, and health leaders went public and said "If you get the shot, you won't get COVID" which turned out to be erroneous information, not how someone may want to wait until more data comes out about the efficacy and risks associated with it, and not how knowing that getting vaccinated does not guarantee no transmission to another person? Are those not valid reasons? 

So a valid reason is one that is factually true and has a logical connection to avoid the vaccine.   For example, a valid reason to wear bring an umbrella with you to work is that there is a 90% chance of rain when you leave work.  A valid reason to not bring an umbrella to work is that there is a 10% chance of rain.  An invalid reason to bring an umbrella to work is that you believe your umbrella is magical and wards off evil spirits. An invalid reason to not bring an umbrella to work is that eventhough there's a 90% chance of rain, last Monday there was a 50% chance of rain and it didn't rain.  

In summary the reasonable reasons for not getting a vaccine are:

1) It's too political - I am not sure what that means.   I would agree that the vaccine was politicized by people.  While that is true, it doe not make it a reaons to not get the vaccine.    While someone could have a valid religious reason, (e.g. if I take any vaccines my God says I will burn in hell) politics aren't religion.  My personal politics dictate that I don't take a vaccine seems not rooted in any true political outcome unless the outcome isn't related to having a health political constituency.  

2) The Pharmaceutical companies made billions - OK how does differentiate this vaccine from any other medication or vaccine? I am not sure how it connects as a reason to refuse it. If there was a monetary cost and you didn't want to pay it, I could understand.  There wasn't a cost. 

3) Politicians were misleading about the efficacy -  "If you get the shot, you won't get COVID" - I do not think this was ever the case. It certainly was not what Dr. Fauci or the CDC stated publically.   I do not recall anyone saying anything other than the vaccine was effective and the best chance to prevent the spread.  The Pfizer was shown to be effective at 95% rate in initial tests.  Moderna was similar.  They had no data on the durability of the effect.  In terms of waiting for more data, I am sure there will be more data but there's been 100's of millions of doses of the vaccines at this point.  There is overwhelming data.  So while it's true there may be more later, it's true that if someone is making a factual decision about the vaccine the data overwhelmingly supports getting it.  The risks of getting Covid while unvaccinated far outweigh the risks of the vaccine. 

 

You would think legalized gambling would improve the general public's understanding of probabilities, but alas no.

43 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I have always been pro vaccine (although am questioning the utility of repeated boosters at this point), but developing afib at a certain age after a physiologic stress on the body (severe viral illness, emotional stress, running a marathon, etc etc) isn’t necessarily something that is at all specific to Covid.  
 

Covid is most closely tied to autoimmune and thromboembolic problems….and of course the pneumonia, but that component of it has really faded.

Are the thromboembolic concerns long-term? Also isn't the most common problem from long term symptoms dyspnea, fatigue and "brain fog." 

1 minute ago, RLC said:

You would think legalized gambling would improve the general public's understanding of probabilities, but alas no.

I always bet on the team with the prettiest helmets. 

6 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

I guess you must be constipated.