6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I honestly don’t even know how to rate how he played with that devastating flukey fumble. You can’t pretend it didn’t happen but it really was just dumb luck. 

He can be #2...Nick Foles' SB performance was possibly one of the best single game period performances of a QB.

40 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Sayeth someone who knows what they’re talking about, yes. 

Others might say bias…

46 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Can someone explain what the issue is here?

 

 

1 minute ago, Wentz_Era said:

He can be #2...Nick Foles' SB performance was possibly one of the best single game period performances of a QB.

Yup.  The only blemish was the INT where he dropped a dime to Jeffery and he couldn't bring it in clean.  

 

29 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Except buddy gave up on carter because.carter was a crack addict.

Carter said buddy cutting him saved his life.

So not quite the same but I get the gist.

Agreed, not quite the same, but I’m glad you got the gist … opportunity cost lost no matter how you look at it.  Ferguson Jenkins and Sonny Jurgenson are two other opportunity lost examples

 

1 minute ago, mattwill said:

Agreed, not quite the same, but I’m glad you got the gist … opportunity cost lost no matter how you look at it.  Ferguson Jenkins and Sonny Jurgenson are two other opportunity lost examples

 

Who is Ferguson Jenkins?

Sounds like an opportunity for an eagles history lesson.

 

 

18 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Nope.  Chris Carter is an example of what tough love can do for someone.  Carter himself credits getting cut by Ryan as being the wake up call he needed to get clean.  

 

Ryan didn't give up on Carter.  Ryan did the only thing that would get through to him. Then he called the Vikings and told them about him.

 

https://www.soberrecovery.com/recovery/recovery-hero-of-the-week-cris-carter/

Could you walk me through the time you realized you had a problem. What was the turning point that motivated your recovery journey?

Well, I lost my job. I lost my job in Philadelphia. [The Eagles] released me, and then subsequently the Minnesota Vikings claimed me and they demanded that I get some type of help, so that’s how I got started. It was Labor Day 1990. And then three weeks later I was able to finally be clean of any substance and alcohol, and give up alcohol on the 21st [of the month]. So I mean, after that day, you know I haven’t had a drink. I got involved in the program, got involved in the sobriety community, worked the Steps, and keep very good people around me who can speak into my life and help me and understand like, who I am. I’m going to be in recovery until I die, and I’ll never be cured. So that’s the way my recovery was, how it was handled.

 

https://thevikingage.com/2016/06/28/buddy-ryan-minnesota-vikings-cris-carter/

Carter may have been bitter about Ryan cutting him, but years later he would credit his former coach with helping him turn his life around. At his Hall of Fame induction, Carter took time out to thank Ryan for giving him the wake-up-call he needed (via FTW😞

"“Buddy Ryan drafted me, and he tried to grow me up in the league. What Buddy Ryan did was the best thing that ever happened for me when he cut me and told me I couldn’t play for his football team.”"

All true, but regardless of the details he was an opportunity cost lost.

3 hours ago, just relax said:

While I’m going on about LBs, I’m also puzzled by the fairly widespread disdain for Nakobe. How much better could he have been in college? He was an absolute stud there. I see some folks suggesting that signing these two LBs somehow indicates dissatisfaction with him. Or with Morrow, about whom I posted earlier. I take a different view. We let our starting LBs walk and gave him the green dot. Doesn’t that indicate the coaches think he’s better? And ready?

Practice without tackling hides LBs more than any other position on defense. Can they recognize and get there? Our beats have no clue about that stuff. If they don’t see a hit they don’t see anything. It bears repeating: they don’t see anything.

He's tiny...he played on a historic D in college and in his moments so far in the NFL he's been pretty 'meh' at best.  I personally don't have disdain, but he's a lottery pick that I'm expecting nothing out of and I'm hoping I'm surprised at.  

Just now, mattwill said:

All true, but regardless of the details he was an opportunity cost lost.

Life matters more than football.  Maybe if someone had done that for Josh Gordon his life would have a different story right now.  

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Who is Ferguson Jenkins?

Sounds like an opportunity for an eagles history lesson.

wrong sport.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Life matters more than football.  Maybe if someone had done that for Josh Gordon his life would have a different story right now.  

Agreed.  The decision was the right one at the time.  The swing and a miss came in the weeks and months that preceded the decision.

3 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Dean's lack of athleticism?  First I've heard of that.

He had a bum shoulder, but the dude bombed the combine pro day. Completely, and you never really saw a plus athlete on college tape.

1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:

Others might say bias…

Surely you’re just an objective observer of journalism, right? Just stop. I know far more about how newsrooms and reporters operate than you do. You can call it bias, but I would call it knowledge. This is a ridiculous discussion. 

Just now, Wentz_Era said:

He had a bum shoulder, but the dude bombed the combine.  Completely, and you never really saw a plus athlete on college tape.

Average athleticism is different to me than lacking athleticism.  I would have a hard time being convinced a below average sized, below average athlete could do what he on that Georgia defense.  

10 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yup.  The only blemish was the INT where he dropped a dime to Jeffery and he couldn't bring it in clean.  

 

He was on another level that night.  Throw after throw he threw absolute dimes, a few were throws QB's dream to make once in their career.  He made multiple in that game.  He was simply amazing...and caught a TD to boot.

Just now, Wentz_Era said:

He was on another level that night.  Throw after throw he threw absolute dimes, a few were throws QB's dream to make once in their career.  He made multiple in that game.  He was simply amazing...and caught a TD to boot.

The throw to Clement in the end zone is a throw QBs dream of making, no doubt.  

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Average athleticism is different to me than lacking athleticism.  I would have a hard time being convinced a below average sized, below average athlete could do what he on that Georgia defense.  

He certainly had the brain for the college game, gotta hope that translates.  Typically when I wanna see how a LB is doing, I want to not see them much at all on tape if it's coverage.  Unfortunately, that was where he was weak in college and that will be extrapolated exponentially IMO at the NFL level.

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

Can someone explain what the issue is here?

 

POV:

 

Daniel Snyder calls James Dolan down to the ring, announces he’s retiring as the worst owner in American sports and attempts to unceremoniously hand the belt off to JD…

 

 

 

 

 

…and then the light dims to the sound of glass shattering as John Angelos’ entrance music starts up

8 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Agreed.  The decision was the right one at the time.  The swing and a miss came in the weeks and months that preceded the decision.

When you are dealing with people with addiction, there's no perfect formula.  But, the one thing I do know is that they won't get help until they see the need.  He believed he was untouchable, because of his talent on the field.  (This goes back to how he got himself in trouble at OSU anyway taking money.)  Getting cut showed him that he wasn't. 

12 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

wrong sport.

Hmmm...

Ok what sport did he play and who is he, I'm genuinely curious?

Just now, Utebird said:

Hmmm...

Ok what sport did he play and who is he, I'm genuinely curious?

Google is your friend.  But, I will give you a hint... it was around the time of Sonny Jurgenson.  

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Google is your friend.  But, I will give you a hint... it was around the time of Sonny Jurgenson.  

Ok I'll Google it, sonny Jurgenson was way before my time, most of what I know about him is that he had a pot belly gut but could really sling it.

Just now, Utebird said:

Ok I'll Google it, sonny Jurgenson was way before my time, most of what I know about him is that he had a pot belly gut but could really sling it.

So is this guy.  Hall of Famer though... worth knowing.  First Canadian inducted into this particular HoF as well.

 

On a side note, was scouted by the same guy that found Mike Schmidt.  Sad story about that scout though.  Baseball was his life, and when the Phillies decided they no longer required his services, he went out to an empty baseball field and committed suicide... same year that Schmidt retired.  

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Google is your friend.  But, I will give you a hint... it was around the time of Sonny Jurgenson.  

So he was a baseball pitcher back in the day, can't find much about how his situation relates to cris Carter in the context of the post.

I'm genuinely interested if anyone cares to fill me in.

Just now, Utebird said:

So he was a baseball pitcher back in the day, can't find much about how his situation relates cris Carter in the context of the post.

I'm genuinely interested if anyone cares to fill me in.

He doesn't, in that regard, just a Hall of Famer that was with a Philadelphia team and they moved on from.  Ryne Sandburg would be just as relevant or irrelevant to what happened with Carter.