That's two bad plays on Castro in the last 2 innings.

3 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Milton Williams 2 sacks as a rookie and 4 sacks last year, his second season.  3rd year DT which is when they sully start to really shine and I'd imagine he might grt more snaps than he has previously in his career.

 

I think 6-8 sacks for him this season is in play.

Yup.

Milton is an efficient player, he's good against the run and has a pretty high pressure/snap rate.

With hargrave and suh and Joseph all gone Milton should see an uptick in snaps which based off his past production could lead to an increase in sacks.

I'm not sure he'll ever be a pro bowl guy but think he's a guy who is invaluable in that he can play multiple positions a long the line and be productive against the run and pass from each of those positions.

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I have no issue with Sosa.  Just... how many of that player do you need?  I think 2 is a little high.  

Pache and Rojas both being right handed bats makes them more likely to not both be on the roster.  I think they need to pick one.  They need a left handed bat on the bench, so I think Cave sticks.

With a healthy Marsh, they can play him in LF, keep Rojas in CF, DH Schwarber and let Harper play 1B. (Thinking more about a playoff lineup, where there are more off days built in to the schedule), and then you have Cave as a lefty bat on the bench, and Rhys as a righty bat.  Does that expose Rojas?  It hasn't so far.  He's still batting over 0.300!  And more importantly, the defense in the outfield with him in CF and Marsh in LF is much much better than throwing Schwarber out there, or having Marsh in CF and Cave in LF.  Sosa could be a defensive replacement for Harper (moving Bohm to first and Sosa to third) if so desired, not so much because Harper can't handle first, but to give him an inning or two off in the field.

But, I think they have to keep Castro to have an extra IF available.   Which, in my book, means that Pache is the odd man out.  Unfortunate.  He certainly could be added along with Rhys in September... 

I’d have to look not sure if pache has any options left to send him back down after his rehab. If he doesn’t, I’m guessing he’s gonna be on the roster cause he was good before he got hurt. If he has no options and is subjected to waivers he’s going to get picked up. I think they rather send Castro down for 2 weeks (pache returns middle of august) and then when expanded rosters bring him back up. If he has options left then I’m guessing he’s going to be sent down til rosters expand. I have a feeling marsh is likely not back til September based off what it sounded like

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d have to look not sure if pache has any options left to send him back down after his rehab. If he doesn’t, I’m guessing he’s gonna be on the roster cause he was good before he got hurt. If he has no options and is subjected to waivers he’s going to get picked up. I think they rather send Castro down for 2 weeks (pache returns middle of august) and then when expanded rosters bring him back up. If he has options left then I’m guessing he’s going to be sent down til rosters expand. I have a feeling marsh is likely not back til September based off what it sounded like

Yeah... that's true.  It comes down to 'options'... which I hate.  I get it helps players (many times), but it still makes it more difficult.

 

If Marsh isn't back until September, I think Weston Wilson might be the guy sent back down and both Pache and Rojas stick around.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yeah... that's true.  It comes down to 'options'... which I hate.  I get it helps players (many times), but it still makes it more difficult.

 

If Marsh isn't back until September, I think they send Weston Wilson might be the guy sent back down and both Pache and Rojas stick around.

Just listening to some of the beat writers interviews on the radio about it, they said it sounded like Thomson thought 3 weeks and maybe if they are playing well for precaution an extra couple days was more realistic. like you said my guess would be it’s probably Wilson. 

castro’s error didn’t help this inning. But Hoffman can’t throw a meatball right down the middle. Hoffman has been used a lot lately though. He’s pitched every other day for 2 weeks and once on back to back days. 

This is awesome. Hard to believe they didn't have lights until 1988 but man I just love this.

 

5 hours ago, mattwill said:

It would be interesting to compare Young and Hurts on a year by year basis ... Hurts year 1 vs. Young year 1 ... Hurts year 2 vs. Young year 2 ... Hurts year 3 vs. Young year 3

Young never tan for more than like ~600 yards 

3 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Who woke RR up? 

Some random passerby.

4 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Late on this but Shwarber has such a beautiful swing at times, I could watch it all day. 

Not that there’s anything wrong with it….

25 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

This is awesome. Hard to believe they didn't have lights until 1988 but man I just love this.

 

The Cubs hadn’t won a World Series since a few years after Edison invented the light bulb, so Night games weren’t really that crucial there.

1 hour ago, Utebird said:

I hope not, Big V was mediocre at best.

Hopefully Steen can be more than Big V.

I would say solid rather than mediocre … reliable works for me as well.  Short of outstanding, but better than mediocre.

32 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Young never tan for more than like ~600 yards 

92-94 Young is about the best a QB can play. (his only 3 full 16 game seasons)

He won 2 MVPs and finished 2nd the other year. He was 1st team all pro QB all 3 years.

He led the league in TD passes, ypa, and passer rating all 3 years. He led in completion % in 2 of 3 and was 2nd the other year.

He also ran for 1237 yards and 13 TDs at 6.1 a pop in those 3 years combined.

He did not run enough was not an issue.

Throw in a 6 TD pass SB for good measure.

 

Some crazy stats:

In 1992 he led the league in passer rating at 107.0 the 2nd best full time starter was Aikman at 89.5 (Aikman was close in 93  101.5 to 99)

In 1994 he led the league with a 112.8 rating. Favre was second at 90.7

He was also the best running QB over those 3 years.  (Randall was close or better in 92 but 93 and 94 not close)

 

He led the league in passer rating 6 times  (6 in 7 years)

Rodgers only did this 4 times.

Starr, Anderson, Staubach 4x

Manning 3x

Montana 2x

Marino once

Favre never

1 minute ago, mattwill said:

I would say solid rather than mediocre … reliable works for me as well.  Short of outstanding, but better than mediocre.

I can agree with that.

 

45 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Young never tan for more than like ~600 yards 

Was a different game back then, Young wasn't running RPOs against light boxes or designed QB runs lined up in 5 WR sets.

What's amazing to me about Steve you gs running is at the age of 37 he ran for 400+ yards at 6.5 per and 6 tds 

Randall did don't do that, Vick didn't do that, Can Newton etc... no QB I know of has run for 400+ yards at that age or older.

He maintained his athleticism and running ability all the way to the end.

Along with his passing stats he was a pretty amazing QB.

Not sure if hurts ever gets to where Steve was as a passer but he's on the right trajectory.

Montana from the '88 playoffs through the '89 playoffs was god mode but that was only 19 games. (18 TDs to 1 pick in 6 playoff games)

BTW, Young had a 120.8 rating in the 3 games Joe missed during those 22 games. Not exactly chopped liver.

11 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

92-94 Young is about the best a QB can play. (his only 3 full 16 game seasons)

He won 2 MVPs and finished 2nd the other year. He was 1st team all pro QB all 3 years.

He led the league in TD passes, ypa, and passer rating all 3 years. He led in completion % in 2 of 3 and was 2nd the other year.

He also ran for 1237 yards and 13 TDs at 6.1 a pop in those 3 years combined.

He did not run enough was not an issue.

Throw in a 6 TD pass SB for good measure.

 

Some crazy stats:

In 1992 he led the league in passer rating at 107.0 the 2nd best full time starter was Aikman at 89.5 (Aikman was close in 93  101.5 to 99)

In 1994 he led the league with a 112.8 rating. Favre was second at 90.7

He was also the best running QB over those 3 years.  (Randall was close or better in 92 but 93 and 94 not close)

 

He led the league in passer rating 6 times  (6 in 7 years)

Rodgers only did this 4 times.

Starr, Anderson, Staubach 4x

Manning 3x

Montana 2x

Marino once

Favre never

Not to mention at age 37 young ran for 400+ yards at  6.5 per and 6 tds.

I'm not aware of any QB at age 37 or older that  has come anywhere near 400 yards rushing.

He was a special qb.

2 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

Montana from the '88 playoffs through the '89 playoffs was god mode but that was only 19 games. (18 TDs to 1 pick in 6 playoff games)

BTW, Young had a 120.8 rating in the 3 games Joe missed during those 22 games. Not exactly chopped liver.

Yup and Montana in his 4 Superbowls never had a turnover, no fumbles no ints.

He's still the best ever in my book.

He never lost a super bowl nor was he ever suspended for cheating twice 

@Utebird He had a very interesting career.

He only had 29 NFL starts in his 20s so that may have helped some with the wear and tear  (maybe another 40 in the USFL)

He did have a fair amount of individual injuries though, including the concussion that ended his career.

18 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

@Utebird He had a very interesting career.

He only had 29 NFL starts in his 20s so that may have helped some with the wear and tear  (maybe another 40 in the USFL)

He did have a fair amount of individual injuries though, including the concussion that ended his career.

Yup, I was thinking the same, that maybe his lack of starts contributed to his longevity as a runner but that age 37 year was his last before the concussion forced him out I think game 4 the next year 

The previous 4 or 5 seasons which he started were nothing special as a runner 100 to 200+ yards then boom at 37 he kind of turns back the clock and pops off for 400+ and 6 tds.

The closest comparison I could find was fran tarkenton who would be considered a good running QB and started most his teams games at age 37 and fran didn't even have 50 rush yards that season.

Randall and Vick at age 37 were backups and the last season Vick had with the eagles at age 34??? He only had 300 something rush yards.

Young was an anomaly in alot of ways, fun guy to watch.

I grew up watching him because I'm a born and bred BYU fan it's a wonder how I didn't end up a niners fan.

Something about those wings on randalls helmet as he was flying over guys just did it for me as a kid  I guess🤷‍♂️

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup, I was thinking the same, that maybe his lack of starts contributed to his longevity as a runner but that age 37 year was his last before the concussion forced him out I think game 4 the next year 

The previous 4 or 5 seasons which he started were nothing special as a runner 100 to 200+ yards then boom at 37 he kind of turns back the clock and pops off for 400+ and 6 tds.

The closest comparison I could find was fran tarkenton who would be considered a good running QB and started most his teams games at age 37 and fran didn't even have 50 rush yards that season.

Randall and Vick at age 37 were backups and the last season Vick had with the eagles at age 34??? He only had 300 something rush yards.

Young was an anomaly in alot of ways, fun guy to watch.

I grew up watching him because I'm a born and bred BYU fan it's a winder how I didn't end up a niners fan.

Something about those wings on randalls helmet as he was flying over guys just did it for me as a kid  I guess🤷‍♂️

Most amazing Steve Young stat:

Between 1992 and 1998, Brett Favre won 3 MVPs, Troy Aikman win 3 super bowls, John Elway won 2 super bowls, as well as a period hall of famers Moon, Marino, Kelly, Aikman, and Montana were all playing.

With all those QBs in the league, Steve Young made first of second team all-pro 6 of 7 seasons. If you couldn’t easily look it up, it’d be pretty hard to believe. 

19 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

@Utebird He had a very interesting career.

He only had 29 NFL starts in his 20s so that may have helped some with the wear and tear  (maybe another 40 in the USFL)

He did have a fair amount of individual injuries though, including the concussion that ended his career.

Just thought of a different comp.

John Elway at age 37 218 yards 4.4 ave 1 TD.

So young had 200+ more yards and 5 more tds and ave at 6.5 2 more yards per carry 

Pretty impressive stuff 

37 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup and Montana in his 4 Superbowls never had a turnover, no fumbles no ints.

He's still the best ever in my book.

He never lost a super bowl nor was he ever suspended for cheating twice 

Montana hit Lewis Billups in the chest to lose vs the Bengals... Billips dropped it Asante style.  (Asante killed Brady's 18-0)

Sometimes luck helps the legend a bit.  Joe Cool was awesome, but not perfect. (Brady benefitted from the Baltimore meltdown in 2011 (drop then shank))

 

Brady was never suspended for cheating. In appeals court the judge asked for actual evidence against Brady and they said there was none.

The only way deflategate even exists is if you believe 

A - The ref confused 2 very different looking gauges (the numbers are fine with the gauge he actually used)

B - That same ref had perfect recall of 24 psi measurement that he did not write down.

This is the perfect summary of the lies and manipulation by the clowns pretending Deflategate was a thing.

https://czabe.com/the-post/the-56-shames-of-deflategate/   (there is a link to deep dive if you want)

 

The next appeals court said Goodell had the power to suspend anyway. He was suspended for witchcraft based on junk science and lies.

Spygate was about an in-season memo saying where you could film, not that you could not film.

The Rams walkthrough video was a rumor and the Boston newspaper printed a retraction of the baseless and unsubstantiated rumor and an apology.

ESPN retracted it on-air at like 3:50 in the morning (spineless scumbags)

 

Montana however was surrounded by cheating.

Bill Walsh scripting the first 15 plays then destroying his headset so the other coach had to turn his off too was a regular occurrence.  (Parcells as 1 witness)

Jerry Rice using stick em  (Rice admitted this during the deflategate BS)

O-lineman using silicone spray (Montana himself admitted this)

The owner went around salaries with lavish trips and gifts then he actually violated salary rules themeselves (he had to give up the team over a bribery situation in Louisiana)

https://yourteamcheats.com/SF#:~:text=SUMMARY%3A The San Francisco 49ers were quietly accused by other,run from 1981 to 1994.

 

Montana had 31 TDs to 24 picks in the rest of his playoff games. So he was 12-7 in them on merit.

Brady got to more SBs because he played better. He had 21 TDs to 6 picks in 10 SBs but he was still 67 TDs to 34 picks in the other 38 games so he went 28-10 in those.

 

We beat Brady in 2017. Its time to move on from the delusions.

 

13 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Just thought of a different comp.

John Elway at age 37 218 yards 4.4 ave 1 TD.

So young had 200+ more yards and 5 more tds and ave at 6.5 2 more yards per carry 

Pretty impressive stuff 

Elway was a really old 37. He had 218 NFL starts before 1997.

He was also more of the Fran Tarkenton scramble to find an open guy then a tuck and run guy.

He would run if he had to but it was pass first, scramble to pass 2nd, run 3rd.

57 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

92-94 Young is about the best a QB can play. (his only 3 full 16 game seasons)

He won 2 MVPs and finished 2nd the other year. He was 1st team all pro QB all 3 years.

He led the league in TD passes, ypa, and passer rating all 3 years. He led in completion % in 2 of 3 and was 2nd the other year.

He also ran for 1237 yards and 13 TDs at 6.1 a pop in those 3 years combined.

He did not run enough was not an issue.

Throw in a 6 TD pass SB for good measure.

 

Some crazy stats:

In 1992 he led the league in passer rating at 107.0 the 2nd best full time starter was Aikman at 89.5 (Aikman was close in 93  101.5 to 99)

In 1994 he led the league with a 112.8 rating. Favre was second at 90.7

He was also the best running QB over those 3 years.  (Randall was close or better in 92 but 93 and 94 not close)

 

He led the league in passer rating 6 times  (6 in 7 years)

Rodgers only did this 4 times.

Starr, Anderson, Staubach 4x

Manning 3x

Montana 2x

Marino once

Favre never

I believe it was in Bill Walsh’s book, he had the intro to a chapter about how teams did NOT want to knock Joe freaking Montana out of the game because they’d have to face Steve Young.

At his peak, Young was incredible. I can’t imagine how good he would be in today’s NFL.

My favorite running QB story was Staubach and Landry.

Landry was still trying to tell Roger that he should stop running so much... in 1979.

Roger told him something like "I'm 37 and about to retire, I think its a little late to get me to stop playing that way."