20 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Remember who the QBs were as well. Grant had Mariota over throwing him, Jackson had Tanner. Makes a big difference. 

I'm a Jackson fan since we picked him up 2 years ago but Grant's stats lacking in preseason has a lot of static behind it.

Tyree Jackson would have done just as well with Mariota.   Tyree did have 2 targets from McKee that were not close to Tyree,  5 yards away, plus.

Tyree Jackson has top Ras, and top performance in the preseason games.  Calcaterra is not bad at all ras wise,  but Tyree is just better.  The numbers are similar,  Calcaterra doesn't have a red flag flaw physically,  but he is slightly worse than Jackson in all numbers. 

https://ras.football/ras-compare/?&p1=18964&p2=21116&pos=TE

tyree v calcaterra ras compare as te  3 inches shorter, 8 pounds lighter and slightly worse or tied in all the things.

I see the 9.83 ras TE out there, and I'm seeing that that high ras TE is catching everything, getting 2 explosive plays in 5 targets, catching all the targets,  and blocking well.  the physically superior one is playing the best.  What I generally expect. 

3 hours ago, Random Reglar said:

ended up with 17 tackles.  That's well beyond any record pace.  Tackles are good.

You can use any sort of rhetoric to try to explain away lots of tackles which are good,  but 17x17 - 289.  He only played about 3/4s of the game.   the record number of tackles combined in a season is 214 by Hardy Nickerson in 1993.

You seem to want outcomes that are contradicted by data.   McKee had a completion percentage for the 3 games of under 55%.  In no way is that great.  2 field goals in a half is not great.  Long field goals, the Eagles got into the red zone once when McKee was in there today, and Ngata quickly fumbled.    Ian Book went in, and started 9/9.  He finished the preseason with the highest completion percentage.  Mariota was in the middle.  

Tyree Jackson had, for the 2nd straight week,  McKee's biggest pass play.  He had the biggest pass play of the game and the preseason last week,  35 yards, from McKee. Today the 20 yard pass from McKee was McKees longest pass play.  Tyree has been the best pass catcher of the last 2 preseason games, and maybe, with Greg Ward, overall.   5 catches, 7 targets, 72 yards, with 2 explosive plays of 35 and 20.  That's over 10 yards per target.  Highest yards per target on the Eagles this preseason.

 

2 hours ago, Random Reglar said:

VanSumeren had 17 tackles.  That's a bright spot.  They wouldn't keep track of tackles if they weren't good things.  Unless they're bad things.  If the other team is out there running, you want to tackle them, right?  VanSumeren didn't even play the whole game,  still with 17 tackles.  The single season record, tackles in a year, is 214.  214 divided by 17 is 12.58, 12.58 tackles per game is the record setting pace.  I saw him bat a pass last week,  I see a lot of blitzes that could be sacks, but are pressures,  I'm seeing special teams tackles,  a lot of good stuff there.  I also see mistakes.  He only became a starter at ILB last year.  Very fast and very strong for a LB.  Not very agile, might have trouble stopping.  But,  record pace for tackles.  A bright spot.

Tyree Jackson had 3 catches on 4 targets.  41 yards total, a 20 yard catch was McKee's longest play.  Jackson finished with the highest yards per target of the preseason. 9.8 Ras TE who was raw 2 years ago, who people hoped would develop into a TE around now has the best receiving stats.  And look at his block on the Sermon TD last week.  That's another bright spot.

 

2 hours ago, Random Reglar said:

I think that incomplete, incomplete, 11 yard run is something that could move the chains.  Great arm too.  Really tall players are often faster than they look, long strides and all, deceptively fast.

 

1 hour ago, Random Reglar said:

I think Tyree Jackson should be starting TE2.   I think TE2 should be a starting position.
AJ Brown, Tyree Jackson, Goedert, Smith should be the starting 4 WR/TEs. 

Starter - Backup
WR1 - Brown - OZ
WR2 - Smith - Watkins
TE1 - Goedert - Stoll
TE2 - Tyree Jackson - Calcaterra

It matches a starter and a backup for 4 positions.  Seems to make sense.   TE2 might be slot or split end.  Brown could be slot, flanker, split end.

 

1 hour ago, Random Reglar said:

Ok, I'll say that Tyree Jackson is the next Jimmy Graham. 
https://ras.football/ras-compare/?&p1=18964&p2=8982&pos=TE

Jackson has the higher ras as te. 9.83 v 9.74.  Graham has more dazzling numbers to the eye, heavier, better 40, but Graham is dinged for a low bench and a bad shuttle, and Jackson is taller, 6070 v 6062.

 

 

1 hour ago, Random Reglar said:

but lots of tackles is typically a good thing, for the player.

I'm just saying it's great for VanSumeren for him to be making so many tackles.  Lots of tackles seems to match the ras numbers,  very fast and very strong.  He's raw,  but because he's so fast, he gets to the play quick enough to get the tackle.   He needs to learn more from the quality nfl coaching,  but the speed and strength are showing up.  

 

42 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

But, Calcaterra has had an awful preseason. Or somewhat close to it.

If you head to head compare what they did in the games,  Tyree Jackson was great and Calcateera was not.  Tyree Jackson,  5 catches, 7 targets, 72 yards.  10.2 yards per target. Tops on the Eagles.
Calcaterra, 2 catches, 6 targets, 14 yards.  2.33 yards per target.

 

10 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

We have seen it in practices.  Aside from the star TE, Tyree is the best TE the Eagles have.

I haven't seen any indication that Tyree hasn't put it together.

Tyree and probably Greg Ward were the 2 best TE/WRs out there this preseason.  Tyree had 5 real targets,  within 5 yards of him, 5 catches, and the highest yards per target of the preseason, even including 2 McKee passes that didn't really get close to Tyree.  Is Tyree better than Quez?  Maybe.  I think Tyree should be the starter at the receiving TE position.  Goedert is the all around TE,  Starting TE1.  Stoll is backup TE1.  TE2 - receiving TE - is Tyree as starter and Calcaterra as backup.  

Reuben Franks neck looks like his face is slowly melting. 

24 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

 You saw why he warranted the pick last night.  He has an incredible upside as a QB.  If Steichen gives him simple reads and outlets, he will develop.  He looked accurate to me last night with only a few throws that were high.  His mechanics looked better than I expected.  He seemed decisive.  He looked better to me than what I have seen from either CJ Stroud or Bryce Young.  

All true … but against backups.  He was able to break contain consistently last night.  I don’t think he will be able to do that and extend plays against starters.

21 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Hurdling is 100% straight line keeping your hips as linear as possible. I don't think you can just develop lateral quickness. Just look at Quez Watkins. He's straight line speed. I don't think anyone thinks Quez can improve his lateral quickness. 

I'm not saying Allen can't return punts, I just think he's a straight line speed guy.

Not to mention we don't know how well he can field them either .

Fielding punts is tough, one has to judge whether or not to fair catch it field it let it bounce behind you then once one decides that actually catch it then  there's at least 1 to 2 guys on you immediately , unless your special teams coach is Clay then it's like 7-8 guys right on you...😒

Once you make the first guy miss one has to identify blocking lane get to it and through the traffic.

We have no idea if Allen can do that but if he could I imagine they wouldn't of had Swain out there being a crash test dummy .

Covey may not ever break a long one for a TD but he's reliable, he's not going to let the ball bounce over his head and lose yards, he has one muff in 33 tries last year which he recovered, he's also pretty fearless he's not going to take a bunch of fair catches, and sure he might get lit up for it but he's secure back there and a like I said while he might not break a big one coaches know he's not going to make mistakes and they can trust him.

I wish he was better at returning Kicks...☹️

11 hours ago, BigEFly said:

@Connecticut Eagle

When does the season Blog open?

I plan to keep this one open through the roster moves next week. Will probably open up  the new blog over the holiday weekend.

If you remember, the Regular Season (RS) blog started to slow down towards the end of last season.  Keeping arguments about Ricks, Sills, et.al. in this blog should help avoid that.

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Reuben Franks neck looks like his face is slowly melting. 

I'm sure he has numbers to justify why it's not a problem.

17 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Hurdling is 100% straight line keeping your hips as linear as possible. I don't think you can just develop lateral quickness. Just look at Quez Watkins. He's straight line speed. I don't think anyone thinks Quez can improve his lateral quickness. 

I'm not saying Allen can't return punts, I just think he's a straight line speed guy.

Lateral nimbleness is all about balance and reactions.  The skills needed to maintain linear hip stability while hurdling are balance and reactions.  I’m realistic that the chances are not good, but they also are not zero.

12 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I’m willing to let Sermon move on.  His place on my PS is filled by Boston Scott.  Allen passed Scott as the KOR last night and neither Scott nor Sermon provide any STsvalue other than KOR, so I go with 3RBs on the 53 and Scott on the PS.  I agree with Haselwood and Ngata, but think there might be even better WRs available after cuts.

Scott wasn't dressed.

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Reuben Franks neck looks like his face is slowly melting. 

Needs more iodine in his diet ...😁

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

Needs more iodine in his diet ...😁

Needs less well…everything, in his diet.

6 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Is tyree better than quez???

Are you on crack again???

Quez has 3 seasons of production 

Tyree has a few catches against 3rd string defenses.

It's not really comparable 

I like Tyree, coaches really like Stoll as a blocker , not sure if they like Tyree more than calcaterra 🤷‍♂️ it's not like Grant has played bad this year  and he's a pretty athletic TE himself 

Tyree may have a chance to make roster over Calcaterra or as a 4th TE but they aren't going to keep Tyree to play more 2 TE sets over Quez who by all accounts had a really good camp and is a guy who can really stretch the field.

 

Personally I'd keep tyree over Calcaterra.

I don't think calcaterra is any better as a blocker or a receiver and Jackson has the length size advantage that makes him a good target for QBs 

We'll see how it shakes out 

 

So you're thinking - 4 or 5 WRs for 3 WR spots,  and 3 or 4 TEs for 1 TE spot. 

It just makes sense to me to have TE2 as the starting position instead of WR3.  Also Fullback is another theoretical possibility.   Split End, Tight End, Flanker Back, Quarterback, Running Back.  And, what?  WR3 or slot back?  TE2 or receiving tight end?  fullback? 

Quez and OZ get snaps as backup WRs to Brown and Smith.  The big wr from last year - Zach Pascal is gone,  the big wr from the year before - JJAW is gone.  Most of the big wrs like Ngata have not looked good this preseason.   Tyree could do the Pascal and JJAW stuff from TE2.  

What I saw fairly often this preseason is the Eagles have difficulties in places like the red zone, and I'd look at what I was seeing and think "that high ras 6'7 te who has caught everything would have caught that.  It was too high for those shorter players,  but for Tyree, it was thrown just right."

2 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Needs less well…everything, in his diet.

It's impossible to stop looking at once you see it.

2 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Scott wasn't dressed.

Yup, I think it's safe to say Boston makes the roster.

If he were cut he'd last about 30 seconds before being claimed by the giants 

Boston is no world beater but he's reliable, he can run catch KR carry the load in a pinch of guys go down and he's a great team guy, in that he's well liked by his teammates.

Whenever they post these clips of the Georgia Bulldogs, it's hard not to think this was the best (only?) place for Jalen to succeed. Imagine if he was by himself in Las Vegas under Josh McDaniels. That's a disaster waiting to happen.

10 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think the guy who highlights multiple posts is the rain man.  but I don't remember rain man being as wrong as you.

16 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

Tyree Jackson would have done just as well with Mariota.   Tyree did have 2 targets from McKee that were not close to Tyree,  5 yards away, plus.

Tyree Jackson has top Ras, and top performance in the preseason games.  Calcaterra is not bad at all ras wise,  but Tyree is just better.  The numbers are similar,  Calcaterra doesn't have a red flag flaw physically,  but he is slightly worse than Jackson in all numbers. 

https://ras.football/ras-compare/?&p1=18964&p2=21116&pos=TE

tyree v calcaterra ras compare as te  3 inches shorter, 8 pounds lighter and slightly worse or tied in all the things.

I see the 9.83 ras TE out there, and I'm seeing that that high ras TE is catching everything, getting 2 explosive plays in 5 targets, catching all the targets,  and blocking well.  the physically superior one is playing the best.  What I generally expect. 

Stop with the RAS, this is not Madden. We have all seen great athletic players with amazing attributes that were just not good enough

Stick with on the field play in games that matter. Again I'm a Jackson supporter but Grant is just as good in the same situations and has proven it in real reg season game situations last year. 

I'm well aware of your past with your thought process with football so I'll leave that as my last comment to the topic. No worth the back and worth

10 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Keeping arguments about Ricks, Sills

There should be no arguments about Ricks (keep) or Sills (don't keep.)

4 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

I think the guy who highlights multiple posts is the rain man.  but I don't remember rain man being as wrong as you.

Fantastic comeback. Not only are you the Rain Man, you’re also Pee Wee Herman…I know you are, but what am I?  You’re clown shoes, bro. You have zero insight and provide next to nothing of value. Your only purpose for being on this board is for being mocked. You have a Ridiculous Ahole Score of 11.

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

The only reason I don't think Allen is a PR is because he's 100% straight line speed. He really lacks that quick burst, make the first man miss trait. Even on the WR screen, you could see it took him an extra step to get in to gear. I want him to be good and I want him to be on the team but I don't know.

Justin Evans is a guy who returned punts a bit and it looks like he's on the team. Maybe that's a solution?

Of all the guys they tried out at PR this preseason, the one I thought looked the best was Zaccheus. He could be a solution, although I still prefer Covey. But I also understand the numbers crunch on the roster.

In no way is Allen a punt returner. As a kick returner, you had love the big play ability he displayed but I also didn't like the way he was habitually stopping and starting. That usually doesn't work out when the bullets are live.

Trey Sermon is a goner. That ship has sailed.

All of the WRs you nerds fell in love with are as well. No seperation Ngata and and bad hands Haslwood, peace out.

The only legit intrigue is Covey and Allen, 3 LBs or 4 with Morrow making it, and do they go 5 deep at S or 4 with one of Wallace or Edmunds gonzo.

Has Mariota been cut yet? 

3 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Trey Sermon is a goner. That ship has sailed.

All of the WRs you nerds fell in love with are as well. No seperation Ngata and and bad hands Haslwood, peace out.

The only legit intrigue is Covey and Allen, 3 LBs or 4 with Morrow making it, and do they go 5 deep at S or 4 with one of Wallace or Edmunds gonzo.

That about sums it up.

From Kempski's article https://www.phillyvoice.com/handing-out-10-awards-eagles-colts-preseason-game-2023/...

These guys were healthy and didn't dress...they are making the team.

Hurts, Swift, Penny, Gainwell, Scott, Brown, Smith, Zaccheaus, Goedert, Stoll, Calcaterra, Mailata, Dickerson, Kelce, Jurgens, Johnson,  Driscoll, Opeta, Sweat, Graham,  Smith, Barnett, Cox, Carter, Davis, Williams, Tuipulotu, Street, Dean, Cunningham, Slay, Bradberry, Maddox, Jobe, Blankenship.  That's 35.

Add in Reddick, Ojomo, Watkins, and Covey (who were injured), and you get 39.

Now add in Mariota, McKee, Steen, Fred Johnson, Ringo, Elliot, Lovato, <PUNTER>, and you're at 47.

At LB/S add in Morrow, Ellis, Edmunds, and Brown.  That's 51.

Really not much else to debate.

19 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

So you're thinking - 4 or 5 WRs for 3 WR spots,  and 3 or 4 TEs for 1 TE spot. 

It just makes sense to me to have TE2 as the starting position instead of WR3.  Also Fullback is another theoretical possibility.   Split End, Tight End, Flanker Back, Quarterback, Running Back.  And, what?  WR3 or slot back?  TE2 or receiving tight end?  fullback? 

Quez and OZ get snaps as backup WRs to Brown and Smith.  The big wr from last year - Zach Pascal is gone,  the big wr from the year before - JJAW is gone.  Most of the big wrs like Ngata have not looked good this preseason.   Tyree could do the Pascal and JJAW stuff from TE2.  

What I saw fairly often this preseason is the Eagles have difficulties in places like the red zone, and I'd look at what I was seeing and think "that high ras 6'7 te who has caught everything would have caught that.  It was too high for those shorter players,  but for Tyree, it was thrown just right."

I'm not sure what you are getting at ?

Stoll is going to be TE 2 coaches really like his blocking in the run game And pass game, 

When they go 3 wide Quez will be the 3rd, he offers speed in the outside and from the slot and he's proven he can take the top off the defense 

OZ will be the fourth, he's also pretty fast but he's small so he's not going to be much of a perimeter threat and never has been, he's a between tbe hashes get out in space guy.

5th WR will most likely be covey strictly for PR, I don't expect he sees many Offensive snaps nor should he.

At TE it depends on what one is trying to accomplish, both calcaterra and tyree are more move, flex TEs than they are in line blocking guys.

At WR 6 I assume they are looking for a big X to fill the enforcer role like pascal did last year.

Ngata or haselwood for that role but Tyree and Grant are both better TEs than Ngata is a WR and I assume Tyree or Grant could both fill that role as split out enforcer like pascal did 

Having said that with the addition of swift maybe the offense moves away from. Those kinds of pass sets and Instead focuses on swift as a pass target.

Either way I don't see tyree starting at TE2, Stoll is a better blocker a skill which the coaches and me as well really value at that position.

One of the reasons eagles moved away from ertz is because he was no longer a better receiver than goedert but ertz was also a really bad blocker and having two good run blockers in 12 petsonell keeps defenses more honest.

Stoll is no world beater as a receiver but he's a better receiver at TE than ertz was as a blocker, which keeps the D just honest enough.

Stoll is a far better blocker than Tyree.

If tyree makes the roster I imagine he'll be used the same way Calcaterra was last year, which was sparingly as a move TE.

If one wants a more in line blocker at TE 3 more than a flex receiver type then you keep Arnold or Russell.

I don't think that's what the coaches are looking for though.

Like I said I guess we'll find out in a few days.