3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

It probably was. But it wasn’t nearly as bad as some of the other holding calls they completely missed all game 

 

That was my exact reaction but earlier when they kept the flag in their pocket on the no-call for PI against AJ.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Penny's hold absolutely was one.  100%.

My bigger issue with it is that two Viking tds happened cause of blatantly obvious holds but that’s the one they got. if you aren’t gonna call it fine but be consistent in not calling it if that’s what you are gonna do. 

9 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

It didn’t really take that many injuries to get to these guys.

Take a moment and run through the OurLads depth charts and look at the backup/depth CBs across the NFL.  I don’t think you are going to find any teams … maybe one or two … that have the kind of depth you covet.  I look at the experience of the Eagles’ depth CBs and I’m actually pleased to see that there are no retreads there.  They are committed to succession planning, and some pain inevitably comes with that. 

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

That was my exact reaction but earlier when they kept the flag in their pocket on the no-call for PI against AJ.

Yeah it was a poorly officiated game from the stand point of big plays happened with obvious penalties they missed. Addison’s td there were two penalties. Reddick got a hands to the face and a hold by 74. The touchdown to Osborn, sweat was definitely held otherwise it’s a sack. And then the pass interference on aj brown that would've put the ball at the 1

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

My bigger issue with it is that two Viking tds happened cause of blatantly obvious holds but that’s the one they got. if you aren’t gonna call it fine but be consistent in not calling it if that’s what you are gonna do. 

I'm not one to complain much about refs, but so many calls in this game (or non-calls) were absolute horseshit. 

11 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I never got to see a replay because Prime was buffering and I had to close out and rejoin the game. Legit call?

100% legit.  Clear as day in real time.  Tackled the blitzer.

13 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Absolute clown take right here. Embarrassing.

I don’t think it was a take.  It was a joke.  RIF

it’s clear Swift is the best runner on our team, but he sure was absolutely brutal to start the game in pass pro and I don’t feel like they put him in position to pass block much the rest of the game. Penny was also poor. If I had to guess, that’s the primary reason they were showing with starting Kenny G.

14 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

That's actually a really good point. I do feel like they like Jobe more than Goodrich if they had to choose though. We'll have to see how that shakes out.

With all respect to @ManuManu, the Eagles have moved a starting OCB to nickel back and the "nickel” play the OCB in the past.  Could easily see Bradberry and Slay as the starting CBs (outside) but in the nickel bringing in Jobe outside and Bradberry sliding to the nickel if Maddox is out.  Puts the best three CBs on the field.  

Just now, mattwill said:

Take a moment and run through the OurLads depth charts and look at the backup/depth CBs across the NFL.  I don’t think you are going to find any teams … maybe one or two … that have the kind of depth you covet.  I look at the experience of the Eagles’ depth CBs and I’m actually pleased to see that there are no retreads there.  They are committed to succession planning, and some pain inevitably comes with that. 

My point is that these guys aren’t really depth; they are our defense.  I understand that not many teams have reliable DB/CB depth…and the Eagles made the (IMO, wise) decision to have their marquee depth along the DL.  But our starting LBs and safeties are generally indistinguishable from the backups.  Maddox generally does not play for extended stretches.  Jobe, Edmunds, Evans, Morrow, Goodrich…they aren’t depth.

The play calls on 2nd and 3rd down on the drive early in the 4th quarter nearly drove me mad. 3rd and 23 run the ball for 5-7 yards and set Jake up to make it a 16 point game. The thing with Hurts that has been most frustrating is that he’s usually been a smart player. Taking the sack there on 3rd down there was Wentz-esque. 

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Musing for the night…it’s both interesting and frustrating when the coaches are forced into realizing a player lower on the depth chart is better than the starter…when it’s a consensus belief already held by the fans.

There’s more to that though.  There are so many more variables and responsibilities on a given play than fans are aware of…even fans that played football.  We see an inadequate player getting snaps over someone with more appealing upside…and the coaches probably see someone that understands what they need to do within the play and the system.  They are going to move in the right direction, pick up the right guy, and react in the right way…even if they are probably going to lose their matchup to the ire of the fans.  

But coaches can also get bogged down in that, as evidenced by 14:1 Gainwell to Swift carry ratio.  

I can’t help but wonder if they are doing the same thing at safety.  Is it going to take more injuries before Brown gets a shot?  I realize they feel safe with the current starters, but they aren’t it.  Brown *might* be.  They did the opposite, interestingly, at LB.  Jumped into Dean (which I agreed with) and cut Morrow in favor of Ellis.  I wasn’t a fan of the Morrow acquisition, but he sure looks like the most reliable LB on the team so far.

To be fair, this goes both ways. Penny has really good upside too, but we also saw why he wasn't a good fit. Sometimes player surprise coaches. Blankenship for example last year was better than the other two safeties. I realize that technically isn't an upside situation, but that's what I mean, it happens.

Swift and Penny so far are opposite stories on the fan takes. But in my opinion the reason why Swift is so good is because he fits our offensive line style like a glove. More north south than Miles Sanders, and runs to daylight inside and outside. Good hands. He's kind of just nearly exactly what you want in our offense.

I don't mean to compare him to Eagles legends, but he's kind of really good with our OL for similar reasons that Westbrook would be, but on top of that he's also a bit bigger, which is really nice.

Only elite heavy cutting running backs like McCoy, Barry Sanders, as well as maybe the other really athletic ones like Robinson and Barkley would work well with our line. Other than those guys, because of the holes we open, more decisive running, with good vision, is really the key.

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

My bigger issue with it is that two Viking tds happened cause of blatantly obvious holds but that’s the one they got. if you aren’t gonna call it fine but be consistent in not calling it if that’s what you are gonna do. 

I won't argue that the refs were consistent.  They were bad, but that was clearly a hold by Penny.  Reddick was violated on the long TD to Addison, and it should have been called.  But that doesn't change Penny's hold to not be a hold.  Both were.  One called.  One missed.

4 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I don’t think it was a take.  It was a joke.  RIF

What’s RIF

4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I'm not one to complain much about refs, but so many calls in this game (or non-calls) were absolute horseshit. 

I'd say the non calls were the issue. Maybe the one call on Dickerson was ticky tack.  The rest were legit.

30 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

No series tonight was more indicative of Hurts' struggles than the one where he took them out of FG range. He was just awful on that drive. You absolutely cannot take a sack there. That could've cost them the game. He's a veteran guy now, he has to know better. That's just pure stupidity. That was more frustrating than not seeing the field well.

Yep. 

The plays being called are some of the worst I can remember going back to the Rhodes era after Gruden left

I think @FranklinFldEBUpper would have noticed this as well, but Hurts was snapping the ball too early several times during the drive that started the fourth quarter.  Usually with 10 or so seconds on the play clock.  If he had been more efficient, we wouldn't have had to punt the ball at the end of the game.

The 3rd/4th down play calling from Siri/Johnson and decision-making from Hurts have been consistently bad.  Even with the 2nd half signs of life for the passing game, they were still really rough in those situations.  Bad decisions, bad reads, and completely nonsensical calls with designed QB runs and short routes into bad matchups on 3rd and long.

14 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

They’ll at least drop one of those games. Wouldn’t be shocked if that happens next week. 

I wholeheartedly disagree.  Did you listen to Jason Kelce on the postgame show.  They are acutely aware of their problems, as well as the challenges that opposing DCs are throwing at them.  BB and Flores had all offseason to game plan for the Eagles, and they both came up with novel approaches, but there are vulnerabilities in what they deployed, and the next time the Eagles see a similar Defensive scheme they will be ready for it.  I personally expect them to be undefeated at the Bye week.

JMO

6 minutes ago, giveemtheboot said:

it’s clear Swift is the best runner on our team, but he sure was absolutely brutal to start the game in pass pro and I don’t feel like they put him in position to pass block much the rest of the game. Penny was also poor. If I had to guess, that’s the primary reason they were showing with starting Kenny G.

I said this before the game and during the offseason, we really haven’t had a good pass protecting back since Jordan Howard. It’s been an issue. I think it’s part of their issue with blitz pickups at times.

Love seeing swift run like he did today. The oline gave him some holes and he was decisive and hit the hole. It had been something lions felt he wasn’t doing enough. With this oline he should be able to get a nice amount of yards just based off the holes they can give him.

That said my only concern right now is I don’t think you can consistently give him 20 touches per game. He’s not durable enough to do that every week and last the whole season. He hasn’t had that workload in the 3 previous years and got banged up. I think the sweet spot for him is likely around 15 touches. They just need to find themselves a complement to him so they don’t have to give him 20+ touches every game and hope he holds up 

Just now, eagle45 said:

The 3rd/4th down play calling from Siri/Johnson and decision-making from Hurts have been consistently bad.  Even with the 2nd half signs of life for the passing game, they were still really rough in those situations.  Bad decisions, bad reads, and completely nonsensical calls with designed QB runs and short routes into bad matchups on 3rd and long.

Agreed 100%

How Hurts lets himself get sacked when the Vikings are rushing three is mind-boggling.

13 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

The hold on Penny? Yea but completely unnecessary, they had another free rusher who ran into his own player and Hurts broke the pocket immediately after sensing it. Neither one wouldn't have touched him. Swift wasn't only better with the ball in his hands, but much better out of the backfield and in pass protection too.

Swift wasn't great on pass pro early missed at least two blitzes on the first drive alone if not more.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

The 3rd/4th down play calling from Siri/Johnson and decision-making from Hurts have been consistently bad.  Even with the 2nd half signs of life for the passing game, they were still really rough in those situations.  Bad decisions, bad reads, and completely nonsensical calls with designed QB runs and short routes into bad matchups on 3rd and long.

Well said

What’s the Cunningham injury? He played well tonight so that would be a bad loss.