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Hate to say it…. Hurts got paid. He’s done

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27 minutes ago, judunno said:

Good head coach doesn't mean good play caller. Evidence says he's a bad play caller. The 2 Super bowl appearances came when he didn't have play calling responsibilities and he could just manage his people and situational in game decisions. Why fix what's not broken? He knows his limitations which is why he asked Moore to 'run it back'. Bring in good OCs that are empowered.

He’s saying run it back to everyone right now. What’s any guarantee the next person in will be good at calling plays? I believe he gave up play calling, because he’s flexible and willing to do what it takes to win. That doesn’t mean he should never do the job again. Year after year we run into the same problems. OC gets a HV job or fired and we need to once again get Jalen comfortable with the next guy. Tired of the same circus. 

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2 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

He’s saying run it back to everyone right now. What’s any guarantee the next person in will be good at calling plays? I believe he gave up play calling, because he’s flexible and willing to do what it takes to win. That doesn’t mean he should never do the job again. Year after year we run into the same problems. OC gets a HV job or fired and we need to once again get Jalen comfortable with the next guy. Tired of the same circus. 

That's just how it has to go down when the HC isn't a good play caller. He had his opportunities and failed at it. 

Hurts was Nick Foles... twice

Here are Hurts' SB numbers extrapolated to 17 games (16-ish played) * he did not run or pass after 9:42 of the 4th yesterday

374 of 510 73.3% 4463 passing 8.75 per pass 26 TDs 9 Picks 109.4 rating  1207 rushing with 34 TDs 8 fumbles lost

5670 total yards 60 total TDs 17 turnovers

 

Here are the 2024 MVP numbers of the great Josh Allen

307 483 63.6% 3731 passing 7.72 per pass 28 TDs 6 picks 531 rushing 12 TDs 2 fumbles lost and 1 pretty snow dive reception pitch TD

4262 total yards 41 total TDs 10 turnovers

Just now, judunno said:

That's just how it has to go down when the HC isn't a good play caller. He had his opportunities and failed at it. 

You know Andy Reid in his career has had moments when he gave up play calling. He was a rookie head coach out of his league at that particular time. He called plays for like half of a season. Not nearly enough data to call him a failure. 

 

 

5 hours ago, judunno said:

If Siri puts his hand in the cookie jar and starts calling plays again you will get exactly what we saw in 2023.

It's never too early to begin doubting the next season's team members or lamenting the outcome of things that haven't happened yet but surely will go wrong if they do ...

43 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

It's never too early to begin doubting the next season's team members or lamenting the outcome of things that haven't happened yet but surely will go wrong if they do ...

Not a matter of doubt... facts. There's a reason he was stripped of his play calling duties and it resulted in TREMENDOUS success.

1 minute ago, judunno said:

Not a matter of doubt... facts. There's a reason he was stripped of his play calling duties and it resulted in TREMENDOUS success.

Who stripped him of those duties? You mean he delegated that responsibility to others so he could be a better HC. He'll likely continue to do what he has been doing and the new OC will still handle the majority of the play-calling. If you're going to cite "facts," site facts, not conjecture. 

6 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Who stripped him of those duties? You mean he delegated that responsibility to others so he could be a better HC. He'll likely continue to do what he has been doing and the new OC will still handle the majority of the play-calling. If you're going to cite "facts," site facts, not conjecture. 

The people that hired Moore. Don't be dense.

I’m still in jaw drop mode right now thinking about what the Eagles have done in these last 2 games, especially on offense. Their defense has been lights out since the bye, but for them to just flip a switch, score 95 total points to end the season and humiliate 2 very good teams was one of the most exciting experiences we will ever have as fans. Hats off to Hurts. The dude balled out and played like a top QB with his decision making. 

"Hurts never smiles, he's so stoic. What will it take to make him smile?"

 

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The media has been so nasty to Hurts from getting benched in college through the draft process to all the insults aimed at him and Howie for the Eagles drafting him. (talk about ignorant morons) That useless D-Gunn was insulting him like 15 days ago. Seth Joyner had to verbally beat the crap out of D-Gunn over his foolishness and hatred.

He is always going to rely on quotes and platitudes because he knows many of them are snakes just trying to score points on him.

Snake Eskin even now is rolling out garbage like Hurts is good now but only because he is doing what I wanted. (moron)

 

 

57 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

Snake Eskin even now is rolling out garbage like Hurts is good now but only because he is doing what I wanted. (moron)

First thing I thought people would say. Ironically Jalen was basically the same last night as he’s always been. He threw the ball 22 times. The Eagles ran the ball 45 times. I knew that there would be those clowns acting suddenly Jalen’s doing something different. No he’s winning the way his team needs him to win period. 

 

 

Marcus Hayes is such a tool, he was just saying Hurts is maybe top 10 QB, how does this guy still have a job? I mean I know it is for a newspaper that probably nobody reads but he should be unemployed

 

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Jalen Hurt's situation starting to remind me a bit of Troy Aikman.

 

Troy had an amazing Oline, Emmitt, Irvin, Harper & Novachek..

Jalen has a great Oline, Barkley, Devonte, A.J & Goedert.

 

Jalen's deep balls although look a little like Warren Moon's 😇

 

This year's Eagles team vs that 90's Superbowl winning Cowboys team that Aikman played in, would make one hell of a game...

15 hours ago, NOTW said:

Don't know if anyone else noticed, Hurts looking at the tablet with teammates on the sidelines too. :smoke:

 

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They’re watching YouTube highlights of DeJean’s pick 6. 
 

 

 

 

 

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The Aikman comparison is a cop out. Every SB winning QB in NFL history is surrounded by amazing talented players and coaches

Peyton Manning had an all star team for 10 years and joined another one later

He started his career with Faulk and Harrison. He swapped Faulk for Edge and added Reggie Wayne.

He  mostly soiled himself with 1 and dones and pathetic SB play. He lost a SB with a pick 6.

He's got like 6 SB TD passes, 4 to his team and 2 to the other team. 

8 hours ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

Marcus Hayes is such a tool, he was just saying Hurts is maybe top 10 QB, how does this guy still have a job? I mean I know it is for a newspaper that probably nobody reads but he should be unemployed

When people talk about "QB" they don't always understand that QB is a position, not a style. Are there more prolific passers in the NFL today? Absolutely. Most teams' offensive schemes are built mainly on passing and as such they put up a higher volume of passing stats. But that's not the only thing a QB does. Even high volume passers have to hand the ball off and occasionally use their feet to make / extend plays or QB sneak, etc... When you look back on college history, there used to always be teams that ran wishbone or power-I offenses and the main job of the QB was to read the defenders and decide whether to run himself or get the ball to a different ball carrier. That guy was still a QB and was still playing QB and sometimes they were serious Heisman contenders if they were great at playing QB in that system. That didn't mean they would go on to become successful QBs in the NFL. The truth is, they just didn't because being a great Wishbone QB was useless at the NFL level because that system was not effective at this level. QBs in the NFL also need to be effective passing the ball as well. We've seen the occasional guy have some limited success despite major passing deficiencies (Tebow). But college football has evolved a lot over the last 3 decades and the NFL is getting more QBs that can run and pass --- true dual threat QBs. Not every football fan prefers dual threat QB systems to conventional high volume pocket passing systems. So when they compare QBs, they tend to rank them in regard to their preferred system instead of how the QB performs within his own offense / system. 

So when you look at Hurts and compare him to Mahomes, Hurts was clearly the better QB Sunday. He also was the better "QB" for the season as a whole. I'm not going to argue against the notion that Mahomes is the better pure passer and can do more things with his arm. But I don't think anybody is going to argue that Mahomes is the better runner. So how did each player perform within his own offense? Jalen had the better year. So when they are using the term "QB," you just have to determine if they are talking about the position or purely the passing aspect of the position. It's easy to tell because they will usually scoff if you compare "total stats" instead of "passing stats."

Jim Kelly had all star teams for about 8 years.

He has 20 TDs and 28 picks in the playoffs. He is a punch line.

Hurts is 5x the player that Kelly was.

Elway had 8 other pro bowl players on offense for his back to back SBs

 

Marino was drafted to a team that was in the SB the year before.

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