17 hours ago, D.WATSfromda757 said:

It’s like you’re tone deaf. Hurts play style alleviatied pressure off of the oline the minute he stepped on the field. His first start was against the #1 defense, where The Eagles won 40-29 or some ridiculous ish. They were 4-11-1…He ELEVATED the team…they weren’t slightly above average….they needed a true serviceable wr #1. He could make do with the rest. But he allowed Howie to see what he had with the rest of the team…atleast on O.

No matter how you try to reword whatever you call yourself saying…AJ was ranked the #14 th wr in 2021. He came to Philly with Hurts and has been a top 5 wr ever since. Ain’t no one way street….so that is literally elevating someone’s play. It could’ve just as well been DK Metcalf, or Smith Scheuster or anybody else that is serviceable and can catch. Reagor doesn’t seem to be working out for golden boy Herbert either. Reagor actually looked his best with Hurts, which isn’t saying much…for Reagor.

Of course it’s ok to play with other great players. You act like some of these folks weren’t losing on other teams though. It’s so bizarre, because you have literal actual proof. This means you have an agenda and ultimately just deny the truth, which is disgusting. It would be better just to say you don’t like an individual, give your reason and leave it as that….than to try to twist the truth and lie all over the place passin it of as "just my opinion”…”everyone knows this”..be a man. 

Yes Wilson can still be great, he’s a rookie….who are you to say he CANT be? Whether he will be or not is up to him. But since you think a solid #3wr is some type of "place” for him. How can someone else "elevate” him? 

 

You are a clown! You talk about tone deaf but you don’t listen to others. If you did you would no that I’ve been a Hurts fan since he came in to the team. If you did you’d see that I’m not saying Hurts is a terrible QB. If you did then you’d see what I’m saying and wouldn’t argue with me like a petulant child. I have no agenda against Hurts and I never have.

You have actually made some good points but the way you’ve presented your argument is awful. So on that basis I’m not going to continue with this anymore.

 Be better.

On 2/1/2025 at 5:15 PM, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Dude what? So wait… You are telling me Jalen elevated the talent around him? With the best OL in the NFL? With a top 5 WR and I mean you can argue Smith has the ability to be what top 10-15? And a RB who has had an historic year.

Dude say what you want but the passing game didn’t click enough this year. Does it matter? No because we’ve won but let’s not pretend Hurts elevates those around him. And guess what? That’s fine! Because we have the talent around him!

People like me? I’ve been one of his biggest defenders!

I'd argue yes, but with any QB it's always a discussion of just how much.  It's already been noted by players and analysts that he elevates the run game. He also makes things easier for Barkley because teams have to account for Jalen as well.  Honestly, they really complement each other perfectly.   I know people will say Saquon would put up these stats with anyone, but he's never come close to sniffing 2k yards until playing with this team and Hurts.  We can also look to the 2nd half of that WAS game where he was pretty much shut down with Hurts out.

Great WR's will be great no matter what, so the player relationship between a QB/WR benefits both.  Chase isn't great because of Burrow and vice versa, but they both elevate each other's game.  AJ and Hurts are no different. Also, the past 2 seasons AJ has averaged around 1500 yards, so he's been elite with Hurts.  Focusing on one season in which the passing numbers are down is silly, especially when you factor in Barkley (just look at Aj's numbers with TN when he played with Henry).  Also, the team found a winning formula and stuck with it - I'm not going to suddenly forget that Hurts can actually throw because of that.

 

14 minutes ago, MF POON said:

I'd argue yes, but with any QB it's always a discussion of just how much.  It's already been noted by players and analysts that he elevates the run game. He also makes things easier for Barkley because teams have to account for Jalen as well.  Honestly, they really complement each other perfectly.   I know people will say Saquon would put up these stats with anyone, but he's never come close to sniffing 2k yards until playing with this team and Hurts.  We can also look to the 2nd half of that WAS game where he was pretty much shut down with Hurts out.

Great WR's will be great no matter what, so the player relationship between a QB/WR benefits both.  Chase isn't great because of Burrow and vice versa, but they both elevate each other's game.  AJ and Hurts are no different. Also, the past 2 seasons AJ has averaged around 1500 yards, so he's been elite with Hurts.  Focusing on one season in which the passing numbers are down is silly, especially when you factor in Barkley (just look at Aj's numbers with TN when he played with Henry).  Also, the team found a winning formula and stuck with it - I'm not going to suddenly forget that Hurts can actually throw because of that.

 

I’ll agree with that run game… though I’ll also add the week after against Dallas he had 167 yards without Hurts. Do I think he would have gotten 2,000 yards without Hurts as his QB? No I don’t. Do I think he will have had a big season given the OL on this team? Yes I do.

As for WRs… I agree to a large extent that the 2 go hand in hand. I don’t think Hurts elevates his WRs but the WRs wouldn’t be able to produce much without a good QB. And I’ve never said Hurts isn’t a good QB and in fact I wasn’t even saying he’s a bad QB. I was just saying I don’t believe that he elevates the talent around him. He uses it very well (mostly) though. There are other QBs that have less that produce more (Mahomes and Allen) but there are also QBs who have a lot of talent that don’t win at the rate Hurts does (Jackson and Goff).

4 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

You are a clown! You talk about tone deaf but you don’t listen to others. If you did you would no that I’ve been a Hurts fan since he came in to the team. If you did you’d see that I’m not saying Hurts is a terrible QB. If you did then you’d see what I’m saying and wouldn’t argue with me like a petulant child. I have no agenda against Hurts and I never have.

You have actually made some good points but the way you’ve presented your argument is awful. So on that basis I’m not going to continue with this anymore.

 Be better.

LOL, I think they were being a little harsh (I'm certainly guilty of this on here with haters), but I do agree with the argument.  I also don't think you're a Hurts hater either, but I can see where you're a bit critical at times, but that's fine imo.  It's guys like Mike, Swimm, and others I've seen here that are just unbearable 😂

Go Birds!

Plenty of opinions on whether or not Hurts elevates the play of this team. I have my own and I feel that he does and I also believe that some fans just don't want to believe it because they prefer a more pure passing style of QB --- which is fine, but that's just a preference, not necessarily a better "QB."

Why do I believe that Hurts does "elevate" teammates? First, through leadership. He reminds everybody constantly why they are out there. He puts in the work off the field and challenges teammates to do the same and buy into the formula. Second, the list of disgruntled teammates that wanted out during his time as QB consists of Barnett (wanted more playing time) and Reddick (wanted more money). That short list contradicts the notion that teammates feel he is holding them back. In fact, Brown , Smith, and Goedert have all signed extensions while Hurts has been the starter --- all knowing that there's a smaller piece of pie in the offense designed around Jalen. Third, because stats don't matter to him, only winning does. Also, he's never content with a performance and always recognizes that there's room for improvement. That mentality has rubbed off on the whole team. Find a post game interview where someone else wasn't stating the same thing. 

Does Jalen benefit from a talented roster? Absolutely. Is he a big part of that talented roster? Absolutely. People act like Joe Montana, Steve Young, Peyton Manning, etc... didn't have talented rosters. Terry Bradshaw is in the HOF --- so is half his team. 

On 2/3/2025 at 6:58 AM, kiwinavega said:

Hurts clearly elevates players around him. His run threat opens up so much for Barkley for one (but that's no knock on him). He checks into plays to take advantage of the defense to sometimes stellar effect. Those are just two very obvious and undeniable examples. Jalen isn't the best QB in the league but he is the absolute best fit for this team 

Barkley ran pretty well when we didn't have Hurts 🤷‍♂️

11 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Barkley ran pretty well when we didn't have Hurts 🤷‍♂️

Against their 29th ranked run defense, which was also tied with Washington. Also, Dallas couldn't sell out that game because Devonta was killing them.  I'm not saying Barkley wouldn't still get a lot of yards, but I don't think he gets 2k this season without Hurts in there.

5 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

You are a clown! You talk about tone deaf but you don’t listen to others. If you did you would no that I’ve been a Hurts fan since he came in to the team. If you did you’d see that I’m not saying Hurts is a terrible QB. If you did then you’d see what I’m saying and wouldn’t argue with me like a petulant child. I have no agenda against Hurts and I never have.

You have actually made some good points but the way you’ve presented your argument is awful. So on that basis I’m not going to continue with this anymore.

 Be better.

How would I respond if I didn’t "listen to others”? I just don’t -agree- with that nonsense . It doesn’t matter that you’re a Hurts fan or if you’re saying he’s terrible. Go look at your own replies and follow your own advice.

How can Hurts elevate Johnny Wilson as a player since you claim what you claim about him?

😁

2 hours ago, MF POON said:

LOL, I think they were being a little harsh (I'm certainly guilty of this on here with haters), but I do agree with the argument.  I also don't think you're a Hurts hater either, but I can see where you're a bit critical at times, but that's fine imo.  It's guys like Mike, Swimm, and others I've seen here that are just unbearable 😂

Go Birds!

Yeah I’m critical of him like I’m critical of all players at times. Like Carter… He’s a beast but at times this year he’s done some bone headed things (that thankfully he’s maturing from). Dean was a stud before he got hurt but he has his flaws. Hell Saquon Barkley has dropped a pass that cost us a game and has gone out of bounds a couple of times too early which has ended up hurting us. It’s fine to be critical as long as it’s reasonable and balanced. I don’t think I’ve trashed Hurts or said he’s bad. But I also think we are all aware of his flaws.

1 hour ago, D.WATSfromda757 said:

How would I respond if I didn’t "listen to others”? I just don’t -agree- with that nonsense . It doesn’t matter that you’re a Hurts fan or if you’re saying he’s terrible. Go look at your own replies and follow your own advice.

How can Hurts elevate Johnny Wilson as a player since you claim what you claim about him?

I don’t think Hurts can or will elevate Wilson. If Wilson ends up being a serviceable player then I think that’s a win! He’s a sixth round pick that is huge for a WR. I don’t think he’s great or ever going to be great. But he’s a sixth round pick.

Given that the Eagles are propped up entirely by Hurts and he elevates his teammates to unfathomable heights:

Can someone tell me what his numbers are with and without Brown? Asking for a friend.

Stupid argument, because the following things are all true:

• Barkley is an elite RB and elevated our running game
• The O line is elite and has always paved the way for a strong running game
• Our O line + Barkley is unstoppable
• Hurts' running ability contributes to the run game success and another element defenses have to account for
• Several examples in recent weeks confirmed by analysts and press conferences where Hurts read the defense and changed the play call to set up a successful Barkley run. That isn't most times, and doesn't take away from Barkley at all. 

Regarding Hurts elevating play, he isn't a great passer which should be obvious to everyone except blind homers. However, he has qualities in his character and leading by example that I think elevate the focus of the team. Leadership, confidence, poise, focus, he does not let big moments/games rattle him, he recovers from mistakes and losses, keeps the focus on team winning and not himself. Sirianni preaches these same values, and you hear lots of players talk about it. It's a team culture and despite a lot of adversity - especially last year's collapse - they have stuck together. Every time the media or fans have tried to turn something into a controversy, the coaches and players have immediately had each other's backs and downplayed it.

Anyway, long winded way to say Hurts does elevate his teammates but I think it's more as a person and teammate and leader, not as a traditional passer. 

4 hours ago, Swoop said:

Barkley ran pretty well when we didn't have Hurts 🤷‍♂️

Of course he did. But there's a reason running backs seldom reach 2k, especially in this era of the NFL being a passing league.

3 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Given that the Eagles are propped up entirely by Hurts and he elevates his teammates to unfathomable heights:

Can someone tell me what his numbers are with and without Brown? Asking for a friend.

He had his best passing game against the Saints without Brown 

 

6 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Given that the Eagles are propped up entirely by Hurts and he elevates his teammates to unfathomable heights:

Can someone tell me what his numbers are with and without Brown? Asking for a friend.

Nobody is saying the Eagles are entirely propped up Hurts, and it's puerile to suggest that's the case.

3 minutes ago, kiwinavega said:

Nobody is saying the Eagles are entirely propped up Hurts, and it's puerile to suggest that's the case.

That's an EMB first.

 

47 minutes ago, NOTW said:

He had his best passing game against the Saints without Brown 

 

Okay.

How about more than a one game sample size?

45 minutes ago, kiwinavega said:

Nobody is saying the Eagles are entirely propped up Hurts, and it's puerile to suggest that's the case.

I was being a smart ass.

We have an absolutely stacked roster, far more so than the overwhelming majority of teams in football.

Hurts is a part of that, but pretending he isn't in the best situation and he elevates everyone is foolish.

Again, what are his numbers with and without AJ Brown?

6 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Okay.

How about more than a one game sample size?

How about you take a joke? I even used the 

I don't know his numbers without AJ, I'm not a statistician. I'm also not pretending he isn't in the best situation - this roster is loaded. It is also loaded at QB. I agree Jalen Hurts isn't the best pure QB in the NFL. I also think he is the best fit for this team. We have a team that isn't built around the QB, but built around the dynamics as defined by the GM and coaching staff. If I am starting a roster from scratch, I don't pick Hurts. If we had no QB here and needed to fill the space based on the rest of the roster and who could make it work, I'm taking Hurts every day, and twice on Sundays. Deny it all you want, call me a Hurts Hugger or whatever, I just think there's an alchemy at play here. You're welcome to disagree as much as you like, and you may well be right. Just my opinion.

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

• Barkley is an elite RB and elevated our running game
• The O line is elite and has always paved the way for a strong running game
• Our O line + Barkley is unstoppable
• Hurts' running ability contributes to the run game success and another element defenses have to account for
• Several examples in recent weeks confirmed by analysts and press conferences where Hurts read the defense and changed the play call to set up a successful Barkley run. That isn't most times, and doesn't take away from Barkley at all. 

First three points have nothing to do with Hurts.

He does add a dimension to the running game, but the running game has still been successful without him.

Lots of QBs that aren't just starting out can change plays at the line. When you have an elite line and back (as you've pointed out) those checks will be that much better.

11 minutes ago, NOTW said:

How about you take a joke? I even used the 

I know, but I'm legitimately curious.

 

The bottom line is, Hurts is an above average player on an unbelievably stacked roster on both sides of the ball. He usually steps up in the clutch, but also makes boneheaded plays. We could do better, but we could also do a lot worse.

This notion that he elevates those around him though, I don't agree with. Take a look at someone like Bo Nix, who looked damn good with Cortland Sutton, Vele and Mims. The running game and line are no where near as good. They had a good defense.

Hurts isn't winning 14 games with that roster. He didn't have Brown/Smith against the Bucs this season and looked like he didn't belong on the field.

He's in the perfect spot for him. A loaded roster.

Hurts isnt a great qb in most cities, but with this roster and his skill set, he is great for what we are doing. He truly makes the game 11v11. He isn't a great passer by many metrics, but the receiving threats don't allow the defenses to go 1v1.  If he sucks on Sunday, we can grab the pitchforks and torches. As I stand today...until the league stops it, we need to keep it going.

40 minutes ago, Swoop said:

First three points have nothing to do with Hurts.

He does add a dimension to the running game, but the running game has still been successful without him.

Lots of QBs that aren't just starting out can change plays at the line. When you have an elite line and back (as you've pointed out) those checks will be that much better.

I posted the points about Barkley and the O line because I scrolled the discussion happening. Separate things can all be true. Those points were actually meant to agree with you or others, that the run game would be successful without Hurts. It goes both ways: complimenting the run game doesn't need to take away from Hurts, and complimenting Hurts' contribution to the run game doesn't need to take away from the O line and Barkley. We're blessed to have a great run game.

Quote

 

I know, but I'm legitimately curious.

The bottom line is, Hurts is an above average player on an unbelievably stacked roster on both sides of the ball. He usually steps up in the clutch, but also makes boneheaded plays. We could do better, but we could also do a lot worse.

This notion that he elevates those around him though, I don't agree with. Take a look at someone like Bo Nix, who looked damn good with Cortland Sutton, Vele and Mims. The running game and line are no where near as good. They had a good defense.

Hurts isn't winning 14 games with that roster. He didn't have Brown/Smith against the Bucs this season and looked like he didn't belong on the field.

He's in the perfect spot for him. A loaded roster.

 

I agree on the first parts. See my post above where I said Hurts doesn't elevate players because of his passing, but intangibles in leadership.

I have said many, many times throughout this year that I want to see more out of the passing game, and that there are other QBs in the league that would perform better as a passer with this roster. He has stepped up at times, and more recently. We'd like to see it more often.

As it is, they won 14 games and are in the Super Bowl. So what's the point in arguing the same exact points we've argued all year and bringing negativity? Most people thought he played really well in the NFCCG and assert that if he plays like that they have a great shot. Hurts is the QB, it's Super Bowl week. Other QBs that "elevate" their teams are sitting at home watching. He's got to perform in the Super Bowl, we want to see the team get that win. LFG. 

On 2/3/2025 at 2:21 AM, D.WATSfromda757 said:

They weren’t the best oline when he was the starter. Instant run threat at qb, got rid of the ball quickly or ran when ish went left…alleviating pressure off the oline. 

there was no top 10 let alone top 5 wr on The Eagles until that/those wr played with Hurts. AJ was ranked #14th in Tennessee

RB doesn’t check into plays ,..and also works in conjunction and benefits from the same relationship between the ol and mobile qb.

too say Hurts HASNT ellevated talent around him is asinine. It shows someone can’t even understand basic concepts. 
 

Wilson can still be great, but he dropped a TD in the first Rams game…he’s not gonna get many opportunities as is…was it Hurts fault he dropped that pass? What about Jalen Reagor…was Hurts supposed to "make him better”? How about Quez? Get outta here…

..on a more positive note…they all compliment each other which is why, I’m sure, that’s why they chose to assemble…GO BIRDS.

Yes they were

27 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Yes they were

Nah, they weren't. They dropped 41 on Dallas with Kenny Two Ribs and a third stringer.

Not good enough.