2 hours ago, Lambo said:

I have heard the opposite today, that Hurts was the one that wanted to limit the running, and is more about image than doing what got him there. WIP said this morning that they have nicknamed him little Jordan in the locker room, and it is not a compliment.

Interesting… I saw this…

23 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

There’s a difference between criticism and calling for Tanner Mckee.

Hurts has been good every time he’s had a competent OC and he has to deal with a new one/playcaller every year.

Most teams have a down year after a Super Bowl appearance.

Hurts was solid under steichen. Could be that hurts was a fresh starter and the league didnt have tape on him.

Under moore eagles pass offense was ranked 29th. I wouldn't say thats very good. Being a dual threat helped the run game thrive. Now he wants to use his legs less and evolve into a pocket passer? He can hardly get through his first progression without panic and being flushed to the right and throwing it away.

3 minutes ago, EagleMatt said:

Hurts was solid under steichen. Could be that hurts was a fresh starter and the league didnt have tape on him.

Under moore eagles pass offense was ranked 29th. I wouldn't say thats very good. Being a dual threat helped the run game thrive. Now he wants to use his legs less and evolve into a pocket passer? He can hardly get through his first progression without panic and being flushed to the right and throwing it away.

And Barkley had one of the 10 best seasons in NFL history.

Just now, Lambo said:

And Barkley had one of the 10 best seasons in NFL history.

Also thanks to hurts ability to run. Which he did effectively.

Once his athleticism fades from aging, wear and tear, or him deciding i dont want to rush as much to prolong my career. Then what? The hurts cow has been milked.

Hurts has regressed, and if he's not a dual threat anymore then he's an average passer who at times hits a streak, and does usually throw good deep passes. His WRs seemed to have a lot of drops.

The OC was the worst of his NFL tenure. Hurts showed in 2021 and 2022 that he is capable of doing a lot of things that people insist he can't. Coaching matters. In 2023 Brian Johnson wasn't good, but he was better than Patullo. Hurts actually had career high pass yards that year, but he also had career high INTs. Siri shrunk to a conservative style afraid of turnovers and they relied on the run game and Barkley last year. We complained about the pass game a lot last year as well.

An average passer who doesn't run anymore paired with a bafoon at OC is a recipe for disaster. The O line and receivers were critical of the offense too. Hurts yesterday said the offense lacked consistency, sequencing, flow and everyone being on the same page. That's coaching.

They're stuck with Hurts so they need an OC closer to Steichen level: get the most out of this roster. Once Hurts contract makes it less of a problem (a year or two) and if he's not improved a lot then they can move on. Siri needs a Philip Rivers and a great OC to run the offense. He's incapable of fixing anything on offense and needs a quality OC to run things.

3 hours ago, NOTW said:

Hurts has regressed, and if he's not a dual threat anymore then he's an average passer who at times hits a streak, and does usually throw good deep passes. His WRs seemed to have a lot of drops.

The OC was the worst of his NFL tenure. Hurts showed in 2021 and 2022 that he is capable of doing a lot of things that people insist he can't. Coaching matters. In 2023 Brian Johnson wasn't good, but he was better than Patullo. Hurts actually had career high pass yards that year, but he also had career high INTs. Siri shrunk to a conservative style afraid of turnovers and they relied on the run game and Barkley last year. We complained about the pass game a lot last year as well.

An average passer who doesn't run anymore paired with a bafoon at OC is a recipe for disaster. The O line and receivers were critical of the offense too. Hurts yesterday said the offense lacked consistency, sequencing, flow and everyone being on the same page. That's coaching.

They're stuck with Hurts so they need an OC closer to Steichen level: get the most out of this roster. Once Hurts contract makes it less of a problem (a year or two) and if he's not improved a lot then they can move on. Siri needs a Philip Rivers and a great OC to run the offense. He's incapable of fixing anything on offense and needs a quality OC to run things.

I am always arguing that QB is a position, not a style. There have been better passers than Hurts every year. But there is a lesser number of better QBs than Hurts over that span. Steichen had the advantage of coaching Jalen before the extension. It was clear in the very first game of 2023 that the Eagles decided to "protect the investment and mandated he avoid hits as a runner.

The offense this year absolutely needed Jalen to be a running threat. I really don't believe the people that are claiming it's Jalen's decision to run less. It was true with McNabb, but here, I believe it's a FO decision. I don't even really believe it was a KP decision. KP was probably just doing what the boss man told him to do on that topic (Keep Jalen Healthy). For most of the season, even our money play, the tush push, was re-invented to almost exclusively use hard counts in an attempt to get the yardage via penalty instead of putting wear and tear on Jalen. Nobody was biting and we were actually getting false starts called on us instead, making the play a liability.

Now there are a lot of positives about Jalen. If it was true that he hates running and wants to pass, pass, pass ... then he needs to keep working on that element. He can quit wasting time weightlifting, and use that time to work on things that relate to passing. We've already seen him greatly improve his accuracy as a pro. He's worked on his technique and made improvements there. He could, IMO, if he wanted to, become a better pure passer if he put in the work --- something he's known for (working hard).

This entire thread I just see a lot of guessing. Myself included. Lots of elite QBs have off years and bad games. There are significant unanswered questions about Hurts. Point is enough is enough. Bring in a OC or even a HC if that's what it takes. Give Hurts two years and coach him up or out. This should have already happened or been happening this year. Its Fing ridiculous. I think he can operate at a very high level in a Shanahan/McVay type offense. I want to see it badly. Make it Fing happen. I am sick of wondering. I am sick of vanilla stagnant no imagination BS.

I had a really hard time watching all the games this year. I did but it wasn't much fun honestly. Some seriously painfully bad product to watch.

Pick any QB and show me how they were incredible 4 years in a row.

Hurts at high 90s rating and 34 TDs did not have a bad year.

When you put it in context of the O-line, OC-HC, and AJs mental issues, he actually did well.

His performance is also far better than the numbers (I would not be shocked if this unfocused and sloppy Siri Offense did not cost him another 8 TDs)

Then add on top of it that the refs had an agenda vs Philly after the tush push stuff.

The Dallas game in Dallas and the Broncos game and the 49ers playoff game (as bad as they played at times in each) were all point shaved to the other team.

• Dallas was Push Off Fest 2025.

• SF was OL Hold Fest 2026 (Williams on Smith on the last TD and Baun being pulled backwards on a Purdy pocket escape were 100 out of 100 holding calls)

• Denver was DPI at the 1 in the last 15 seconds and the refs just raised a middle finger at the Eagles.

Anyone who thinks Hurts had run lanes up the middle with the drek at G C G on this O-line is just useless.

Did Hurts miss 20-25 throws this year? Sure. Every other QB missed that or more. Stafford probably wins MVP and he missed so many plays.

Did he have 10-12 times where he could have run and did not? Sure.

What we did see for sure was that his sack % has plummeted.

What we did see for sure is that an inferior athlete at QB gets humiliated in this 2025 offense (McKee)

So go ahead and believe your self delusion about some regression at age 27.

Just make sure you don't look at Josh Allen throwing 47 picks from 2021-23 or the entirety of Mahomes career from 2023-present.

Pay no attention to the garbage that was Stafford 2022-24.

Its always the same thing. Hurts is the worst QB in the league besides all the other ones.

Josh Allen is the number 1 guy. There is no clear 2 above Hurts.

You want it to be Joe Burrow so badly but he's a throw footballs at target robots guy and not so much an NFL QB winning guy.

Wow have they pushed Herbert as better than Hurts and its like Sisyphus (lets push that Herbert boulder again next year)

Will Drake Maye be elite every year now? Sure, just like Jayden Daniels.

The complete ignorance it takes to think that swapping Goff for Hurts would not improve Detroit and ruin Philly just makes me laugh.

2022-present

TD to INT

passer rating

regular season wins

playoff wins

playoff TD to INT and rating

TDs to turnovers

Still winning 11 games when things fall apart when Burrow can't win a single shootout in 2024.

Completion % over expected

Intended Air Yards

Super Bowl performance

I can't stop the stupid. I just point and laugh.

I'm wondering how much of a leader Hurts really is. I can't imagine a Brady, Manning, Montana, Mahomes. etc would put up with this offense for more than a game without going to the HC and reading the riot act and demanding change. Apparently Hurts just went with the flow as nothing changed from week one to week nineteen. He is the highest paid player, the QB, the face of the franchise so he has the clout to say and do something. Yet nothing changed.

1 hour ago, Eagles1960 said:

I'm wondering how much of a leader Hurts really is. I can't imagine a Brady, Manning, Montana, Mahomes. etc would put up with this offense for more than a game without going to the HC and reading the riot act and demanding change. Apparently Hurts just went with the flow as nothing changed from week one to week nineteen. He is the highest paid player, the QB, the face of the franchise so he has the clout to say and do something. Yet nothing changed.

I guess the worry is that he couldn’t get after the offense or the OC if he’s the one limiting what is being called? If he doesn’t want to run as much, if he doesn’t want to throw over the middle, if he doesn’t want to go under centre, if he doesn’t want to have a complex offense, then he can’t read the riot act?

I’m not saying that is the case. I’m just saying we have heard reports that there are things he can’t do very well and so likely doesn’t want to do them. So if that’s true then he can’t go mad at the WRs or the coaches if he’s limiting the scheme.

This is all very easy to fix and it can be done in four simple stages.

1. A healthy offensive line, not to give him more protection but to help the run game

2. Get plays in early, and I mean much earlier. Give Jalen more time to operate pre-snap and make adjustments to routes and protection based on what he sees

3. Bring back more RPO and play action and designed QB runs, make the defense guess and think a bit harder

4. Call more than six different plays a game, mix things up, go a bit deeper in the playbook.

Hurts clearly had a down year, as did a lot of the offense. But he's a good player with a high ceiling and the offense was not structured to his strengths.

23 hours ago, VeeMak said:

Ultimately, Hurts is paid to be a great QB. There will always be excuse makers for Hurts (as there were for Wentz and McNabb) but ultimately, did he have a great season?

Hurts had a good season statistically, but he wasn’t special. And with the talent around him, any JAG could have put up similar stats with this talent.

The 2025 version of Hurts was a very well paid JAG.

Actually Hurts is paid to be a JAG. He carried the 16th cap hit for QBs in 2025. And that includes the likes of Maye, Williams and Nix being below him as they are still on rookie deals.

Did he have a great season? No. But the O-Line sucked, Barkley couldn’t get going and Brown’s head went.

Get him a decent OC and line and hopefully he can repeat 2022/2024.

4 hours ago, SkippyX said:

Pick any QB and show me how they were incredible 4 years in a row.

Hurts at high 90s rating and 34 TDs did not have a bad year.

When you put it in context of the O-line, OC-HC, and AJs mental issues, he actually did well.

His performance is also far better than the numbers (I would not be shocked if this unfocused and sloppy Siri Offense did not cost him another 8 TDs)

Then add on top of it that the refs had an agenda vs Philly after the tush push stuff.

The Dallas game in Dallas and the Broncos game and the 49ers playoff game (as bad as they played at times in each) were all point shaved to the other team.

• Dallas was Push Off Fest 2025.

• SF was OL Hold Fest 2026 (Williams on Smith on the last TD and Baun being pulled backwards on a Purdy pocket escape were 100 out of 100 holding calls)

• Denver was DPI at the 1 in the last 15 seconds and the refs just raised a middle finger at the Eagles.

Anyone who thinks Hurts had run lanes up the middle with the drek at G C G on this O-line is just useless.

Did Hurts miss 20-25 throws this year? Sure. Every other QB missed that or more. Stafford probably wins MVP and he missed so many plays.

Did he have 10-12 times where he could have run and did not? Sure.

What we did see for sure was that his sack % has plummeted.

What we did see for sure is that an inferior athlete at QB gets humiliated in this 2025 offense (McKee)

So go ahead and believe your self delusion about some regression at age 27.

Just make sure you don't look at Josh Allen throwing 47 picks from 2021-23 or the entirety of Mahomes career from 2023-present.

Pay no attention to the garbage that was Stafford 2022-24.

Its always the same thing. Hurts is the worst QB in the league besides all the other ones.

Josh Allen is the number 1 guy. There is no clear 2 above Hurts.

You want it to be Joe Burrow so badly but he's a throw footballs at target robots guy and not so much an NFL QB winning guy.

Wow have they pushed Herbert as better than Hurts and its like Sisyphus (lets push that Herbert boulder again next year)

Will Drake Maye be elite every year now? Sure, just like Jayden Daniels.

The complete ignorance it takes to think that swapping Goff for Hurts would not improve Detroit and ruin Philly just makes me laugh.

2022-present

TD to INT

passer rating

regular season wins

playoff wins

playoff TD to INT and rating

TDs to turnovers

Still winning 11 games when things fall apart when Burrow can't win a single shootout in 2024.

Completion % over expected

Intended Air Yards

Super Bowl performance

I can't stop the stupid. I just point and laugh.

Your maternal instinct to protect Hurts is showing again 😂. You may be the only fanboy clinging to this idea that 2025 was somehow an example of a great season by Hurts🤣

4 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Actually Hurts is paid to be a JAG. He carried the 16th cap hit for QBs in 2025. And that includes the likes of Maye, Williams and Nix being below him as they are still on rookie deals.

Did he have a great season? No. But the O-Line sucked, Barkley couldn’t get going and Brown’s head went.

Get him a decent OC and line and hopefully he can repeat 2022/2024.

$179 million guaranteed is not JAG contract.

2 minutes ago, VeeMak said:

Your maternal instinct to protect Hurts is showing again 😂. You may be the only fanboy clinging to this idea that 2025 was somehow an example of a great season by Hurts🤣

I mean he threw as many regular season TD's as Josh Allen and Sam Darnold this year with fewer picks than either and no fans in Buffalo or Seattle are talking about moving on from them as if it makes sense.

19 minutes ago, VeeMak said:

$179 million guaranteed is not JAG contract.

13 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

I mean he threw as many regular season TD's as Josh Allen and Sam Darnold this year with fewer picks than either and no fans in Buffalo or Seattle are talking about moving on from them as if it makes sense.

But you were talking about 2025? Otherwise we can talk about his all pro season and Superbowl showing in 2022. Him leading the team to 10-1 and the playoffs with no running game and a terrible Defense. His Super Bowl MVP in 2024.

And further to CC’s point, Barkley was paid to be one of the top 3 running backs in the league this year. He got outperformed by a backup. No one (quite rightly) is suggesting we need to move on from him.

16 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

I mean he threw as many regular season TD's as Josh Allen and Sam Darnold this year with fewer picks than either and no fans in Buffalo or Seattle are talking about moving on from them as if it makes sense.

Allen and Darnold were both in the top 10 in completion percentage (Allen 4th, Darnold 8th).

Hurts had a 44% Success rate. He ranked 31st out of all the QB’s.

Darnold and Allen both ranked in top 10 in Y/A. Hurts was ranked 20th.

We can cherry pick stats all day to fit a narrative of our choosing. But strip away any emotional ties to Hurts and ask yourself if your eyes really watched an elite QB his season with Hurts.

I don’t think moving on is the answer. Let’s see if a new OC can get the old (2024) Hurts to show up. The clutch Hurts that was elite in the crucial moments when it mattered. I don’t think Hurts will ever be an elite passer, but he doesn’t need to be if the offense is schemed and play calling is crafted around the things that he does well.

11 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

But you were talking about 2025? Otherwise we can talk about his all pro season and Superbowl showing in 2022. Him leading the team to 10-1 and the playoffs with no running game and a terrible Defense. His Super Bowl MVP in 2024.

And further to CC’s point, Barkley was paid to be one of the top 3 running backs in the league this year. He got outperformed by a backup. No one (quite rightly) is suggesting we need to move on from him.

Using that logic, then Russell Wilson is still one of the best QB’s in the league. While I appreciate what Hurts did in the past, it doesn’t skew what I see in the present nor does it change my concern about the future of the team if Hurts doesn’t return to the form in those past years you rightfully point out. NFL = Not For Long

3 minutes ago, VeeMak said:

Allen and Darnold were both in the top 10 in completion percentage (Allen 4th, Darnold 8th).

Hurts had a 44% Success rate. He ranked 31st out of all the QB’s.

Darnold and Allen both ranked in top 10 in Y/A. Hurts was ranked 20th.

We can cherry pick stats all day to fit a narrative of our choosing. But strip away any emotional ties to Hurts and ask yourself if your eyes really watched an elite QB his season with Hurts.

I don’t think moving on is the answer. Let’s see if a new OC can get the old (2024) Hurts to show up. The clutch Hurts that was elite in the crucial moments when it mattered. I don’t think Hurts will ever be an elite passer, but he doesn’t need to be if the offense is schemed and play calling is crafted around the things that he does well.

I mentioned this yesterday. Jaws was on WIP yesterday, and talked about Hurts and running the ball. He said that it was a Hurts decision to not run and be a passing QB, and for him it is all about image. He then said that he had heard Hurts is called "little Jordan" in the locker room, and it is not a compliment.

Just now, Lambo said:

I mentioned this yesterday. Jaws was on WIP yesterday, and talked about Hurts and running the ball. He said that it was a Hurts decision to not run and be a passing QB, and for him it is all about image. He then said that he had heard Hurts is called "little Jordan" in the locker room, and it is not a compliment.

I hadn’t heard that and, if true, that’s not a leader. That’s a prima dona. Now I respect Jaws, but I don’t want to believe that’s true.

Teams always overpay QBs, the position gets ridiculous contracts. You have to let go of salary amounts.

14 minutes ago, VeeMak said:

Using that logic, then Russell Wilson is still one of the best QB’s in the league. While I appreciate what Hurts did in the past, it doesn’t skew what I see in the present nor does it change my concern about the future of the team if Hurts doesn’t return to the form in those past years you rightfully point out. NFL = Not For Long

I mean Wilson was 33/34 when he declined. Hurts is 27.

Seems more likely to me that’s it down to one or more of a Super Bowl hangover, a beat up/ineffective line/Barkley and an OC clearly out of his depth.

I’m confident he will be better next year.

1 minute ago, ManchesterEagle said:

I mean Wilson was 33/34 when he declined. Hurts is 27.

Seems more likely to me that’s it down to one or more of a Super Bowl hangover, a beat up/ineffective line/Barkley and an OC clearly out of his depth.

I’m confident he will be better next year.

I share your optimism for next season. I’ve been beating the drum this past season that Hurts isn’t an elite pocket QB, and what made the line better, running back better, receivers better, was the threat of Hurts as the RB2. That’s his super power.

If, and I do mean IF, by Hurts wishes, Sirianni’s, FO or all of the above, the desire is to remake the offense to limit Hurts running, I don’t think Hurts is the right QB for a more traditional offense and especially for a rookie OC that was in way over his head.

They need to get this OC hire right this time. Yes, it will likely mean a 1 year rental, but we’ve seen how good this team can be when the offense can move the ball consistently. It doesn’t need to be lights out, but at least chew up clock and flip field position more consistently.

17 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Teams always overpay QBs, the position gets ridiculous contracts. You have to let go of salary amounts.

Amazing, really. If you look at the teams remaining in the playoffs, 3 out of 6 have QB’s on rookie contracts.

I think that in our lifetime, we will potentially see the QB position go the route of the RB position where teams stop dumping so much of the salary cap into one player. Once these guys get to that second big contract, the ability to put pieces around him becomes extremely difficult.

No way Brock Purdy deserved $181MM guaranteed.