4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But go ahead and explain to me how you are condemning the whole fate of the franchise based on Hurts ability to learn the new scheme based on what happened in TB. I actually was in favor of just resting our key guys we had that could even suit up for that game. We had no chance…whole team knew it before stepping on the plane.

No on cares about TB game. Still we had Bark and the running game. But Hurts cannot function without his buddy. He can't locate any other WR's or TE's or he would have done that.SMith was out too so he couldn't cope without READ ONE,which is about all he can make. Screw the weather excuse. Games are played in every weather type and do we avoid mile high due to less oxygen? It's a big boys game,you play in all situations so stop with the "OH it was 100 degrees" unless of course you only want the team to play in wussidomes. Does TB whine when they have to play in sub zero?. Daily saunas before TB and you would be used to it LOL(oh excuses are much easier). Maybe the NFL should cancel games for bad weather(although they delay them for lightning) or maybe petition the NFL yourself to make any games in TB 8:00 when it will be cooler,but that's on you

4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We had no chance

That's an excellent pregame speech "we have no chance,now go out there and lay and egg.let's GOOOO."  You think that's what the players need to hear?

14 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

How many picks need to be thrown before you give it up??? 30,40?

Need more than two games…one without our best player even to have mastered a new O

4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So him neglecting and skipping shortcutting our franchise QB from his first year on…is agreed to coaching by you? He screwed us…big time. Not skipping over coaching the third string RB…Siri committed endlessly to Gainwell. That was important to him.

Bark is lighting it up but he is endlessly committed to Gainwell? Do you watch the games? Hurts is the same QB now he was in college because he can't learn crap

4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Any qualified we can get him

He makes 53 million a year,he can hire one if he feels "neglected"

13 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

See this is what you do,what SPECIFICALLY "should have been done". Just making generalities is continues BS. List WHAT "bunch of stuff"

Because I’ve been detailed talking about the whole freaking time. Do I need to recap every single thing..every single time? Each post must me three pages so you don’t complain.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Need more than two games…one without our best player even to have mastered a new O

You don't need to mater a new O,you had all of camp and pre season. The "mastery" is not throwing picks or taking JV sacks

5 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

No on cares about TB game. Still we had Bark and the running game. But Hurts cannot function without his buddy. He can't locate any other WR's or TE's or he would have done that.SMith was out too so he couldn't cope without READ ONE,which is about all he can make. Screw the weather excuse. Games are played in every weather type and do we avoid mile high due to less oxygen? It's a big boys game,you play in all situations so stop with the "OH it was 100 degrees" unless of course you only want the team to play in wussidomes. Does TB whine when they have to play in sub zero?. Daily saunas before TB and you would be used to it LOL(oh excuses are much easier). Maybe the NFL should cancel games for bad weather(although they delay them for lightning) or maybe petition the NFL yourself to make any games in TB 8:00 when it will be cooler,but that's on you

Ok…so our whole team didn’t show up and got blasted…but you just blame Hurts and use that game as your case to complete condemn our team this season’s growth. 

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Because I’ve been detailed talking about the whole freaking time. Do I need to recap every single thing..every single time? Each post must me three pages so you don’t complain.

because you cannot answer WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE,you just say "things need to be done" ok WHAT THINGS?????

5 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

That's an excellent pregame speech "we have no chance,now go out there and lay and egg.let's GOOOO."  You think that's what the players need to hear?

That’s how Siri’s team came on the field that day. Pretty much like that last game last season.

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Bark is lighting it up but he is endlessly committed to Gainwell? Do you watch the games? Hurts is the same QB now he was in college because he can't learn crap

Can’t learn much from Siri that’s for sure

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Ok…so our whole team didn’t show up and got blasted…but you just blame Hurts and use that game as your case to complete condemn our team this season’s growth. 

Wrong,it was comically plain that Hurts wasn't going to grasp the new offense and WHY we took the ball out of his hands.You have to be really dumb not to see this. he doesn't have the mentality for it

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Can’t learn much from Siri that’s for sure

I thought Moore was teaching him LOL. It's not Siri's job to teach,you still don't get that

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

You don't need to mater a new O,you had all of camp and pre season. The "mastery" is not throwing picks or taking JV sacks

Wow…you had TC to do what takes some many years

Anyway I am going to watch this game and not argue about this BS again,have a great night,Future posts on this subject will be ignored

6 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

He makes 53 million a year,he can hire one if he feels "neglected"

It’s up to hurts to recruit our best player…and now he needs to employ a real HC too. Heck..I’m sure he’d be fine with that..if Rosie allowed it.

5 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

because you cannot answer WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE,you just say "things need to be done" ok WHAT THINGS?????

Dude it’s so much. I’ve already done it so much. Very specific and very detailed. Nothing I can do for you to understand though. But it’s been done plenty by me.

12 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

In a completely new O scheme? Geez like 10 games. Or how about just a bunch of stuff that should have been occurring the whole time since the beggining of year one with Siri. AJ got hurt and only played week one. Week 3 we didn’t have tons of quality players on O…in the road in the brutal heat of TB. Holding week 3 against Hurts is just clear Hurts Hating. So you are using week one in Brazil. Which I don’t even agree that his first interception was his fault. Dickerson’s guy abused Dickerson all game. But that was the first series of the entire season…in South America..no less….out of our own Endzone. Great read by Hurts in my view. Exactly what he was being taught. Dickerson’s guy Slaton kept Hurts from finishing his throw. While Hurts was in the pocket..in his own end zone. That wasn’t any failure of Hurts learning.

What is " completely new O scheme?   What is this huge difference in the Moore offense that you think you have seen this year?  

Omg...Hurts has to learn the complicated skill of taking a snap under center?   OMG Hurts has to learn to have a player go in motion?

What is the complicated new scheme? 

It's football, it's the same patterns but different words.  He has the same 2 stud WRs.  So complicated?   Just like DeJean and Mitchell need years???

They work for months in the offseason on the playbook.  Learning different words for the name of the plays, shouldn't prevent a QB from improving on his skills.

7 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Dude it’s so much. I’ve already done it so much. Very specific and very detailed. Nothing I can do for you to understand though. But it’s been done plenty by me.

Maybe you write these on another site?

12 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Fangio has been coaching how many years pro ball? The putting too much on a rookie’s plate thought he stated himself. It’s called ‘common knowledge.’ Don’t shortcut these young players for team needs so much. Get them very sound fundamentally detailed to begin their pro careers. Build from there. Screw the Jack-of-all-trades crap …especially from the start of a players career. Don’t need fantastic gifted player being short changed at becoming a HoF player at his position because you prefer him just being capable at multiple jobs. Or let’s just stick with both rookie CBs at least being DROY worthy. Heck yeah I’m exactly right about our two rookie CBs! Fangio agreed. How are the results looking to everybody else? Score 1 for Ham..minus 1 for No Mas. What’s next?

Hunh?   GB was the one that liked DeJean ..now you want to take credit for it?  Lol.

All summer..." I just don’t know where he fits in"   dude does everything.  You see him on the field calling changes an switches all the time.  Blitzing, run stuffing,  covering guys all over the place.  Plus he was returning punts.  

What has Fangio done slow with him ... or Mitchell?  These kids do everything.  Very sharp mentally.  They don't dummy down anything for them.   

They leave that for the QB.

12 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

No Mas you aren’t just belittling my opinions …you’re doing it to the long time vet great NFL coaches. I’m sticking with these thoughts, thanks for your bad differing opinion you shared though.

I think you still live in 1980s football.  These kids come in way ahead of how things were back then.  And the schemes seem way more simplified to get players on board faster.  Times have changed with players moving from team to team all the time,  unlike before when you had roster stability and time to develop players.

12 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Hurts being shortcutted being coached has been a Siri decision all along. This is a Siri flaw more than a Hurts one. Slow down and get our franchise QB straight. These decisions are just snow balling from Siri’s decisions from year one. Of course it will just keep holding things back…stupid approach. But hey…we won week one in 2021….much more important than our franchise QBs entire career.

This is Pedersen, and all the coaches that Hurts has has right up to Moore.

Remember Siri doesn't do anything with the offense right?   You asked what was his job all offseason...now whenever you bring up anything negative....you act like you know thar Siri is the one pulling the strings?  

I thought he was CEO?  Does he have a play chart during the game?  He must e a genius if he is calling the plays without a chart?   

But what can we expect from a guy who doesn't give Howie credit for AJ and blames him for the illegal activity of Arizona.?

 

" Fangio is building his defense. ..it's going to take years"

Just curious, what is the defense ranked right now?  

I'm sure it's all because of Hurts though? 🤦

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

" Fangio is building his defense. ..it's going to take years"

Just curious, what is the defense ranked right now?  

I'm sure it's all because of Hurts though? 🤦

Real question since we have this terrible O mind what’s our offense ranked? And its with the 20th ranked passing offense(I think) the one area that Moore has always done well in, in every other stop. 
 

Moore biggest con coming in was that he didn’t like to run the ball yet we are number 1 in rushing yards and attempts a believe

Even last year with the Chargers Moore had the 13th passing offense and that was with Herbert Missing 4 games and dealing with a thumb injury parts of the season while playing