So Mahomes isn’t shaky and completes a pass or two and drives are sustained while D rests. Not a massive damning of AR situation. Can understand you make valid solid points contrary. I’m even with you some on those.

But AR passes to loosen up the run…instead of Run to open the pass. Can’t deny it’s worked for him.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

But AR passes to loosen up the run…instead of Run to open the pass. Can’t deny it’s worked for him.

No right or wrong answer either. Our team so specifically built to run and beat up defenders gaining that advantage would be foolish to relinquish though.

10 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m not advocating against utilizing our advantage attacking with our massive Oline run blocking. Totally should begin heavy with plenty of that. We have it…prioritized building our team that way. Use it! But …are you actually making the point about how flawed AR O has been? The coach was looking to Three Peat as champs? The coach laid out so perfect way for Mahomes to complete like every single pass in the second half of that SB just a couple of seasons prior against our top ranked D?

You are looking at Andy with rose colored glasses. Take a moment and give me your assessment of Andy as the Head Coach of the Eagles. What were his successes and failures?

Also, given the fact that the Chiefs were on the cusp of a three-peat, why/how did the Eagles dismantle them so thoroughly? Is it possible that NFL Defenses may have caught up with Andy, and now know how to counter him?

17 minutes ago, mattwill said:

The point is simple if you look at the Super Bowl play by play. AR’s willingness to accept the increased risk associated with his choice of a one dimensional Offense played into the hands of Sirianni, Moore, and Fangio. It was bad clock management that meant the Chiefs’ defenders got very short rest before having to again take the field.

Further, that high risk scheme on Offense meant that the Chiefs’ O-Line was absorbing punishment rather than dishing out punishment. The Offense you are advocating for has the individual O-Linemen taking their first step after the Snap backwards and waiting for the D-Linemen to hit them hard. The Offense that Stoutland and the O-line convinced Moore to adopt has those same O-Linemen taking their fist step forward … firing out and hitting the D-Linemen hard. The difference between blows given and blows received takes its toll on the denizens of the trenches. As a result the Eagles O-Line was much fresher in the second half of the game than the Chiefs O-Line even though the Eagles 1st half snaps were 40 and the Chiefs 1st half snaps were 20.

Snaps and remaining on the field are due to converting first downs. Not because a run instead of pass. You got that twisted here.

Still just waiting for you to explain this four game defining situation. Explain defining our 2024 O based so massively on that Bucs game first please.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Still just waiting for you to explain this four game defining situation. Explain defining our 2024 O based so massively on that Bucs game first please.

Then by the first game of the season…with all the applicable reasons why you shouldn’t being accounted for

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

1/9 with Kupp a DYNASTY!!!!! LMAO

First overall pick Goff is flawed. Two SB..one championship. Sounds familiar , no? How many championships Goff lead Lions being considered favorites for several season now?

HC and O scheme isn’t everything. Football takes so very much more. Really a simpleton argument trying to define anything like that.

Frankly…we most likely were the ones that got in their(Rams) way in fact.

14 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yeah…think you choosing a terrible path if you are relying on just how terrible AR and his O are in the NFL. Within the conversation of greatest ever instead.

You are ignoring the result of their most recent game. Do you believe that game was an outlier, and the Chiefs just had a bad day?

If those two teams played a 10-game series from February 1 to the middle of May, how many of the 10 would the Eagles win, and how many would the Chiefs win?

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

You never provide answers, we are all used to that by now

Yeah I do. But it’s such a long answer to provide over something everybody else just easily knows. This is a you problem.

Just now, mattwill said:

You are ignoring the result of their most recent game. Do you believe that game was an outlier, and the Chiefs just had a bad day?

If those two teams played a 10-game series from February 1 to the middle of May, how many of the 10 would the Eagles win, and how many would the Chiefs win?

Last two SBs…they’d have won can’t even be questioned. I’d say that’s more than enough examples for me to provide. This happened in the first attempt ever to Three Peat as champions. Feels like plenty to support AR greatness.

What was the Chiefs record last season?

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

What was the Chiefs record last season?

Wasn’t it the best record in football with like only two losses all season?

16 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Not my insecurities. You leaped to a bad false conclusion. Your statement…nothing to do with my own personal insecurities arriving from your bad assumption. Is what it is whatever. I understand your assumption could apply to many others….but not me…and not my insecurity resulting from your failure.

It isn’t a false conclusion. It is simply my own personal conclusion. How is it false? You may not agree with it, but whether you agree or disagree has nothing to do with whether the conclusion is true or false. Very few conclusions in life are true. Bey few are false. Most conclusions are a mix of true elements and false elements.

Reigning two straight years world champs winning the most games all season going back to Three Peat. Yeah…don’t think cases get any easier for me to make supporting AR methods working than that.

1 minute ago, mattwill said:

It isn’t a false conclusion. It is simply my own personal conclusion. How is it false? You may not agree with it, but whether you agree or disagree has nothing to do with whether the conclusion is true or false. Very few conclusions in life are true. Bey few are false. Most conclusions are a mix of true elements and false elements.

It’s false because you said it was mine. You can form whatever ideas. But when you assume falsely about mine…then it’s a clear false conclusion. Without debate.

18 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

They were learning and installing a new u proven O. Four games still? Convince me relevance defining everything with that Bucs game first

Moore’s Offense wasn’t new. It was the same Offense he used in Dallas. He had refined it and tweaked it a polished it. Nothing new about it.

2 minutes ago, mattwill said:

It isn’t a false conclusion. It is simply my own personal conclusion. How is it false? You may not agree with it, but whether you agree or disagree has nothing to do with whether the conclusion is true or false. Very few conclusions in life are true. Bey few are false. Most conclusions are a mix of true elements and false elements.

Your statement was because I…I..I…wanted to just run up scores to humiliate opponents. Completely false conclusion. Without anything to debate or argue.

18 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Run or pass…3 and out puts the D right back out there. Actual game clock rocking or not isn’t a factor over players actual time recovering.

You just repeated what I said. Thank you for agreeing with me. That warms the cockles of my heart.

20 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yes….so much more than I believed we were. Volunteer that.

I’m glad you have that self awareness.

11 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

You never provide answers, we are all used to that by now

I always try to provide very thoughtful answers. This one is just such a big ask if you. McVay brilliant O mind and scheme. Just is…trust me or not. Thought just everybody understood this fact.

19 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But Mahomes was flat out shaky. Wasn’t AR fault or anything to be done really about that. He wasn’t ready to play SB level QB football that day.

Mahomes did not start the game shaky. However, Andy’s play calling put Mahomes consistently into high risk situations and the Eagles Defense made him pay and pay and pay. Eventually he became shell shocked. But Andy kept on going to the same well even though that well was clearly dry.

7 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Moore’s Offense wasn’t new. It was the same Offense he used in Dallas. He had refined it and tweaked it a polished it. Nothing new about it.

Ok…so we disagree completely. Because I absorbed everything about how he had to create the new O using Siri terminology all summer all the time he spent with Patullo doing this.

But even taking this disagreement out…still was a completely different new O for our O to install and learn to say the least.