"I don't even think we know that yet," Sirianni said at the owners' meetings in late March. "There's a lot of concepts that are very, very similar. But I hired Kellen to do a job and we'll mesh things together, just like I said right from the beginning. We'll have some good things that we've done here in the past, and he's going to bring some new elements to it."

35 minutes ago, mattwill said:

No one defended our whole 2024 season O based on the Bucs game. No one. Absolutely no one. If you say otherwise you are lying.

36 minutes ago, mattwill said:

No one defended our whole 2024 season O based on the Bucs game. No one. Absolutely no one. If you say otherwise you are lying.

My statement was exactly it was least relevant game to define our O based on. You getting things very twisted. This was your statement you defined based on first four games you stated.

17 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You stated based on the first four games!!!

No. Your imagination is working overtime. The facts are that Lane and the O-Line players went to Stoutland and made the case that the Moore scheme was not leveraging the strengths inherent in the O-Line. When Stoutland agreed with them, he and the players went to Moore with that same message. Once Moore agreed with both their premise and their plan, they all went to see Sirianni to let him know about the change that had been agreed to. It was a bottom up driven change, not a top down assessment.

In accounting they would call what was done "zero-based budgeting” What you are trying to make the case for is called "historical budgeting.”

25 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Which I immedialty asked you to just explain how that week four game versus the Bucs was included. Asked you to cut the BS agenda pushing and get real about it was the first 3 games only.

All that may have been going on in your head, but you never wrote up any comment saying that. Again, your imagination running wild.

26 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I told you it was stated…I came across it last offseason..is what it is…I consume hundreds of differing Eagles content consistently

So all we have is your (highly biased) word for it.

Judge, we move for dismissal due to lack of any evidence.

Motion granted.

while Johnson was the OC, it was 100 percent Sirianni’s offense you were watching last season, and Sirianni wanted to do it his way. That meant a conservative, run-first approach, especially when they got near the red zone. And last year, opposing defenses were ready for it. Johnson wasn’t calling his own plays. He was solely focused on giving Sirianni the offense that Sirianni wanted to run."

Now we have Tim McManus, Dianna Russini, and Andrew DiCecco, all having said the same thing. The offense was Nick Sirianni's. He ran the show

7 minutes ago, mattwill said:

No. Your imagination is working overtime. The facts are that Lane and the O-Line players went to Stoutland and made the case that the Moore scheme was not leveraging the strengths inherent in the O-Line. When Stoutland agreed with them, he and the players went to Moore with that same message. Once Moore agreed with both their premise and their plan, they all went to see Sirianni to let him know about the change that had been agreed to. It was a bottom up driven change, not a top down assessment.

In accounting they would call what was done "zero-based budgeting” What you are trying to make the case for is called "historical budgeting.”

Oline dealt with some injuries early you are forgetting. New O scheme makes it much harder for the Pass Blocking than run blocking. Pass blocking really relies so much on everybody being on the same page together for things to work. Run blocking much more direct and less thought.

But yeah…Oline went into Siri’s office. Never once was mentioned they went to Moore at all.

18 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

https://amp.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/kellen-moore-job-make-eagles-stale-offense-work

Interesting article. How does it validate any of the points you have been making?

After a meeting with offensive linemen Lane Johnson, Jordan Mailata, and Landon Dickerson, Philadelphia Eagles head coach Nick Sirianni adjusted the team's offensive strategy to become more run-oriented.

The bye week was also when offensive linemen Lane Johnson, Jordan Mailata and Landon Dickerson walked into Sirianni’s office

NBC Philly article

Try and provide me one article where Oline walked into Moore’s office doing this

5 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Interesting article. How does it validate any of the points you have been making?

He was hired to find a way to make Sirianni's offense work again. They need him to find a way to keep all the good things the Eagles do well on offense and somehow enhance it. He's not being asked to install his own scheme and run the Eagles offense his way. 

How about this part? I mean I basically could quote the whole article piece by piece…but instead provided you with the whole darn thing

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Oline dealt with some injuries early you are forgetting. New O scheme makes it much harder for the Pass Blocking than run blocking. Pass blocking really relies so much on everybody being on the same page together for things to work. Run blocking much more direct and less thought.

But yeah…Oline went into Siri’s office. Never once was mentioned they went to Moore at all.

They went up the chain. You really don’t know about organizational dynamics and protocols if you think otherwise.

What large corporations have you worked for? In every corporation I have been associated with, if an employee jumps the shark and tries to affect a change by directly approaching a high level manager, the high level manager would tell the employee to follow hierarchical protocol and take the proposed change to their direct manager, which is why Lane took it to Stoutland.

6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

After a meeting with offensive linemen Lane Johnson, Jordan Mailata, and Landon Dickerson, Philadelphia Eagles head coach Nick Sirianni adjusted the team's offensive strategy to become more run-oriented.

Link? Source?

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

The bye week was also when offensive linemen Lane Johnson, Jordan Mailata and Landon Dickerson walked into Sirianni’s office

NBC Philly article

Link?

8 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Interesting article. How does it validate any of the points you have been making?

Or how about the exact Siri quote” how we are going to mesh things together”

Exactly my point…exactly countering your beliefs. From HC own mouth

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He was hired to find a way to make Sirianni's offense work again. They need him to find a way to keep all the good things the Eagles do well on offense and somehow enhance it. He's not being asked to install his own scheme and run the Eagles offense his way. 

How about this part? I mean I basically could quote the whole article piece by piece…but instead provided you with the whole darn thing

Nothing about terminology. Basically the article said the integration of Moore’s concepts would be a piece of cake, because the good was already there. So no honeymoon needed.

And the integration ended up failing to leverage the inherent strengths of the resources … and putting Hurts and all the O in high risk situations, which resulted in a high rate of turnovers.

4 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Link?

I’m taking all those extra effort just for your benefit to educate you about intel I already knew all about. At least appreciate that’s what I’m just doing here..for you.

2 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Nothing about terminology. Basically the article said the integration of Moore’s concepts would be a piece of cake, because the good was already there. So no honeymoon needed.

And the integration ended up failing to leverage the inherent strengths of the resources … and putting Hurts and all the O in high risk situations, which resulted in a high rate of turnovers.

The integration was a success that resulted in throwing up a double Nickle in the NFC Championship game

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Or how about the exact Siri quote” how we are going to mesh things together”

Exactly my point…exactly countering your beliefs. From HC own mouth

Meshing concepts is very different than " “having to use Sirianni’s terminology”. Meshing concepts is a vey easy Training Camp task. Not something that needs to use the early Regular Season games to work out.

Further, meshing concepts doesn’t address the failure to leverage the strengths.

4 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Nothing about terminology. Basically the article said the integration of Moore’s concepts would be a piece of cake, because the good was already there. So no honeymoon needed.

And the integration ended up failing to leverage the inherent strengths of the resources … and putting Hurts and all the O in high risk situations, which resulted in a high rate of turnovers.

"His job was to make Siri’s O work again and enhance it.”

How does that equate to install your own O and terminology to you?

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m taking all those extra effort just for your benefit to educate you about intel I already knew all about. At least appreciate that’s what I’m just doing here..for you.

I don’t care about the Byzantine recesses of your mind. That is a dark cavern I don’t need to go into. You need to bring your sources out into the light of day. You sound like Trump when he says, " I have heard …”

I’m now convinced this was all a deliberate(fairly elaborate)plan by Rosie from the start to trick Moore into building Siri’s O.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

The integration was a success that resulted in throwing up a double Nickle in the NFC Championship game

No, the integration produced 2-2 and a spate of turnovers. The NFCCG was the result of the Stoutland scheme being brought together with the Moore and Sirianni schemes. And the Fangio scheme more importantly

2 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I don’t care about the Byzantine recesses of your mind. That is a dark cavern I don’t need to go into. You need to bring your sources out into the light of day. You sound like Trump when he says, " I have heard …”

I brought you over a dozen different articles backing my statements up countering your beliefs. With several sources included in there.