15 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

No idea why a quality HC would accept anything less than being a quality HC

SO why would he have taken the OC position?

4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

SO why would he have taken the OC position?

You can’t follow along any of the conversation here. I’ll slow down…Pedey never should have been fired by Rosie as our HC. That’s my point. Had a quality O mind here. Rosie’s ego and power hunger forced Pedey out.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Yeah…keeping trying to blame Hurts for everything. Any reasoning you can try to force to not blame your ceiling poster boy Rosie for it.

Not at all...that was part of the issue with the coaching choices etc.  Doug likes the West Coast passing style... Howie was obsessed with losing Russell Wilson and doing the Chip style RPO better than Chip.  

He got his wish... Hurts is a pawn in the situation...the control / style conflicts between Doug and Lurie/ Howie was the problem.   Hurts represents Howie... Doug wanted the passer.

Why I'm on board with you regarding Howie ( except I can't sit there ignorant of how the contracts are written properly)  ...Howie set up a crap roster around Doug/ Wentz... obviously now he is looking to go the other way to ensure Hurts can't fail... might not win ot all..but will never be a non playoff team with this roster.  

My issue...how about giving the guys who won the only SB for you this level of a supporting cast?  Then no need for changes. 

Wherever this goes here with Hurts...Howie/ Lurie get the blame or the credit.  Hurts is Howie's boy.

 

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You can’t follow along any of the conversation here. I’ll slow down…Pedey never should have been fired by Rosie as our HC. That’s my point. Had a quality O mind here. Rosie’s ego and power hunger forced Pedey out.

Yes....Lurie also... probably more so.  Howie just pretty much represents Lurie IMO. 

Just now, joemas6 said:

Yes....Lurie also... probably more so.  Howie just pretty much represents Lurie IMO. 

But we are here now...let's see how the next 3 years go with Hurts.   AKA " Howie's boy"

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Not at all...that was part of the issue with the coaching choices etc.  Doug likes the West Coast passing style... Howie was obsessed with losing Russell Wilson and doing the Chip style RPO better than Chip.  

He got his wish... Hurts is a pawn in the situation...the control / style conflicts between Doug and Lurie/ Howie was the problem.   Hurts represents Howie... Doug wanted the passer.

Why I'm on board with you regarding Howie ( except I can't sit there ignorant of how the contracts are written properly)  ...Howie set up a crap roster around Doug/ Wentz... obviously now he is looking to go the other way to ensure Hurts can't fail... might not win ot all..but will never be a non playoff team with this roster.  

My issue...how about giving the guys who won the only SB for you this level of a supporting cast?  Then no need for changes. 

Wherever this goes here with Hurts...Howie/ Lurie get the blame or the credit.  Hurts is Howie's boy.

 

Pedey is the guy that put Hurts in. Rosie fired Pedey over needing the glory for winning that SB. Made it seem like over the coordinators surrounding Pedey.

Just now, joemas6 said:

But we are here now...let's see how the next 3 years go with Hurts.   AKA " Howie's boy"

Rosie was throughly vetting QBs and stacking up picks to make a move for a QB. It was a pathetic QB class…thankfully for us. Still he used that moment to full circle make a trade and bring in Pickett(the top QB prospect that season) as our backup behind Hurts.

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

But we are here now...let's see how the next 3 years go with Hurts.   AKA " Howie's boy"

Hopefully bring in a quality coach. Just not real high on bringing in Bellicheat for a variety of reasons. He was the other option to move on from Siri for this offseason. Still seems like Bellicheat just waiting on deck for next season. Heck….might not take that long. Could possibly come in at some point this season….if things start terribly.

6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Pedey is the guy that put Hurts in. Rosie fired Pedey over needing the glory for winning that SB. Made it seem like over the coordinators surrounding Pedey.

Yeah...by all accounts it was Doug holding out from putting in Hurts.

Listen ..I get your love for Doug and hate for Howie....but Hurts was and is Howie's boy..  The rest of the world wanted a weapon or player in round 2...not a backup QB.  You think Doug was trying to be " smartest guy in the draft room"?   

We all know who needs to be that. 

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Hopefully bring in a quality coach. Just not real high on bringing in Bellicheat for a variety of reasons. He was the other option to move on from Siri for this offseason. Still seems like Bellicheat just waiting on deck for next season. Heck….might not take that long. Could possibly come in at some point this season….if things start terribly.

Again... you already have the excuses.  The current coach would have won without a certain fumble.   

At some point you gotta face reality...yours and Howie's boy isn't perfect.

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Yeah...by all accounts it was Doug holding out from putting in Hurts.

Listen ..I get your love for Doug and hate for Howie....but Hurts was and is Howie's boy..  The rest of the world wanted a weapon or player in round 2...not a backup QB.  You think Doug was trying to be " smartest guy in the draft room"?   

We all know who needs to be that. 

It was Lurie holding back from Hurts. But really you don’t want to give up on your franchise QB we had just inked in Wentz. This I can easily can understand.

8 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Rosie was throughly vetting QBs and stacking up picks to make a move for a QB. It was a pathetic QB class…thankfully for us. Still he used that moment to full circle make a trade and bring in Pickett(the top QB prospect that season) as our backup behind Hurts.

Why was he stacking picks ONLY for  QB.

The Miami trade..  the Saints trade were excellent trades.  You can't turn them down.  

It's why I don't want to do that Bears trade from Bleacher report... without the pick being on the clock. 

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Yeah...by all accounts it was Doug holding out from putting in Hurts.

Listen ..I get your love for Doug and hate for Howie....but Hurts was and is Howie's boy..  The rest of the world wanted a weapon or player in round 2...not a backup QB.  You think Doug was trying to be " smartest guy in the draft room"?   

We all know who needs to be that. 

I don’t hate Rosie. I just can see all sides of things. I can see many great things Rosie has and can do. But I also can realize his limitations and flaws. He makes some great moves…some really dumb moves. He brought us Pedey and our first SB. That’s huge for me. Rosie did that. But then he undid it almost as quick.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

It was Lurie holding back from Hurts. But really you don’t want to give up on your franchise QB we had just inked in Wentz. This I can easily can understand.

Well...if Doug really wanted to work with Hurts...don't you think he would have stayed?   I know you let your heart get in the way and miss the reality of things...all things Doug was saying and reports coming out... but Hurts is Howie's boy.  Doug is a passing coach...not a RPO guy.

4 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Again... you already have the excuses.  The current coach would have won without a certain fumble.   

At some point you gotta face reality...yours and Howie's boy isn't perfect.

Pedey would have won.Schwartz wouldn’t have been b1+ched like Gannon. On and on…Rosie failed us. Having such a lucky and great season as a GM coinciding with the perfect SB path I’ve ever seen. If Rosie hadn’t fired the coaches? We win our second SB. Rosie’s brilliance was trumped by his flaws.

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Well...if Doug really wanted to work with Hurts...don't you think he would have stayed?   I know you let your heart get in the way and miss the reality of things...all things Doug was saying and reports coming out... but Hurts is Howie's boy.  Doug is a passing coach...not a RPO guy.

Pedey put Hurts in. Never heard him with anything but praise for Hurts. Nothing but terrible reaching spin from you here to act like Pedey should have just stayed to be a lil b1+ch under Rosie’s rule. Pedey’s OC choice been looking to serve him very well in Jax.

 All reports coming out were Rosie was stacking picks and thoroughly looking into that extremely weak QB class. Which Rosie even admits.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

I don’t hate Rosie. I just can see all sides of things. I can see many great things Rosie has and can do. But I also can realize his limitations and flaws. He makes some great moves…some really dumb moves. He brought us Pedey and our first SB. That’s huge for me. Rosie did that. But then he undid it almost as quick.

Idk about great moves.... he does the obvious things with the contracts,using advice from his experts.   He works hard as he constantly communicates with other GMs.  You can't turn down lopsided trades from desperate teams like Miami and New Orleans.  

Idk..maybe Mailata would be considered a great move.  Not sure if it's Howie himself...or just his confidence is Stout?

I'm not one to use extremes though.  Idk about great.  Hurts contract though... that's pretty creative and maybe close to great.. avoiding the cap hits of a franchise QB...with an out after 3 years.  

Gotta give him or his team credit for that one... the QB contract is the most important one.... having Hurts cheaper than a Jevon Hargrave is pretty shrewd. 

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Pedey put Hurts in. Never heard him with anything but praise for Hurts. Nothing but terrible reaching spin from you here to act like Pedey should have just stayed to be a lil b1+ch under Rosie’s rule. Pedey’s OC choice been looking to serve him very well in Jax.

 All reports coming out were Rosie was stacking picks and thoroughly looking into that extremely weak QB class. Which Rosie even admits.

All reports are the media speculation.   The Miami trade and Saints trade... one would be an idiot to turn those down.

You were against Hurts favoring Wentz. Nothing ever was said like that from Pedey’s perspective. Rosie stated how hard he was looking into Pickett after we now traded for him this season.

Kellen Moore is a passing coach also ,should be interesting to see how he wants this offense to work,but we also added an effective RB

17 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Hopefully bring in a quality coach. Just not real high on bringing in Bellicheat for a variety of reasons. He was the other option to move on from Siri for this offseason. Still seems like Bellicheat just waiting on deck for next season. Heck….might not take that long. Could possibly come in at some point this season….if things start terribly.

Belicheck is not coming here...forget him.  Stop reading bleacher report.... turn on some local media.  Much easier to get a picture of things

7 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Pedey would have won.Schwartz wouldn’t have been b1+ched like Gannon. On and on…Rosie failed us. Having such a lucky and great season as a GM coinciding with the perfect SB path I’ve ever seen. If Rosie hadn’t fired the coaches? We win our second SB. Rosie’s brilliance was trumped by his flaws.

Doesn't Lurie hire the coaches?

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Belicheck is not coming here...forget him.  Stop reading bleacher report.... turn on some local media.  Much easier to get a picture of things

Rosie called Bellicheat. His own words. Fact!

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You were against Hurts favoring Wentz. Nothing ever was said like that from Pedey’s perspective. Rosie stated how hard he was looking into Pickett after we now traded for him this season.

I said from the 2020 season...the GM put a crap roster.  The injuries of 2020 were an excuse for him...should have been excuse for the coach and QB too.

The problem is..you get too emotional about certain people...me defending Doug/ Wentz...to you was only defending Wentz.   Like you claim Doug for yourself or something?

Now we are here... because I see the motivation for Howie to be forced to give Hurts all the weapons...otherwise he runs out of excuses if Hurts fails.  He needs Hurts to succeed...  otherwise he is a failure and looks brutal for firing Doug.

So we got Jordan Davis instead of Pickett