37 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Wait... that answer reminds me of someone on here... lol

Called it!!!!

On 11/17/2025 at 8:18 PM, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yeah seems we have the guys here, but they are hurt, which means we will be limited/thin on BU's until they can get back. Maybe we elevate Pierce until they are. IDK what the staff wants to do or how Pierce is doing on the learning curve. If I recall we opened the practice window for Williams,so that's good news

The only mention I can find on Williams is reference of a shoulder injury in week 2.

50 minutes ago, Crazy Legs said:

The only mention I can find on Williams is reference of a shoulder injury in week 2.

According to the roster he is on IR? I didn't check past that

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/16kMmf4wHW/ Too cool My grandmother was a semi famous watercolorist, my dad taught art at Akron U for 3 years. I can't successfully draw a circle LOL

An interesting discussion on the Blog. Thoughts?

15 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

https://x.com/eaglesxsandos/status/1990918821230838058?s=46

14 hours ago, eagle45 said:

OK, this is great data. But let's take the next step and ask ourselves: WHY??

Kevin Patullo and Nick Siriani are not a 2nd grade Madden beginner who keeps picking the same Madden play. Maybe they are good at designing an offense. Maybe they are terrible at it. But they are professionals. That means they have more routes memorized in the back of their minds than all of us on the blog combined. Siri was a freaking WR himself.

So WHY the incessant hitch routes? Do they just want their receivers to run the same route every time?

I'm sorry, but this keeps going back to what they can and cannot run with Hurts, the tush push, and trying to avoid turnovers. When the Eagles want to test a defense downfield, it's a deep ball on a go route along the sidelines asking a WR to run under it and beat their coverage. Minimal risk or chance of turnover...and if it is, it's a punt. The rest of the field isn't utilized...harder to process, easier to toss an INT.

Every other team in football history runs their hitch routes either as coverage sucking decoys or terminates them just beyond the sticks for first down targets. The Eagles run them short of the sticks and target these routes. The coverage is softer, DBs are less likely to jump routes short of the sticks, and a reception gets them in tush push range. Kellen Moore did the same thing last year. It just worked better.

This is a foundational principle of the Eagles passing offense. These hitch routes are both what Hurts is comfortable throwing and what the coaches are comfortable having him throw. The whole offense is built around getting into short yardage situations. Last year, they reliably did so with big runs on early downs, more Hurts runs with success, and efficient short completions with these routes. This year, the running aspect is gone and the league has caught on to their approach.

Siri has literally, openly said, they call plays like it's 1st and 9 and the defense doesn't know it. The hitch route obsession is a product of that approach. They didn't forget the other routes and the rest of the playbook at home. I don't know how good it's going to look if they open it up with Jalen Hurts throwing all over the place. And neither do the coaches. That's why they won't do it.

14 hours ago, RLC said:

We didn't run this offense with Steichen, and it was the best offense we ever ran.

9 hours ago, kiwieagle said:

I think the success of tush push combined with the 20 Hurts turnovers season in 2023 + 7 turnovers in the first 4 games last year fundamentally changed Hurts and the Eagles approach to the priorities on offense and emphasis on ball security.

2023 till Buccs game Hurts averaged 1.23 TO / game and the Eagles record was 13-9

Since that Buccs game he has had an incredible run with only 7 turnovers in 24 games including the playoffs, for an average of 0.29 TO / game. Eagles record in those games is 22 - 2.

Yes, the change in D-coordinators has a lot to do with that win / loss record as well but I think those stats put into perspective why so much of the Eagles O design is geared towards preventing TOs.

Another interesting discussion. Again your thoughts are welcome.

13 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Too many games won by razor thin margins. Youd think theyd turn it on for 1 or 2 more drives in each game to ensure a win. Rather than getting lucky with a drop, a penalty, not being able to run out clock on offense and putting it on the D to make a play at the end of games...

That theory doesnt really make any sense.

5 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

I don't think it's playing possum as much as playing risk averse percentage football to avoid turnovers at all costs, as long as it's winning, the razor thin margins are more a consequence of the strength of schedule as anything else, that said there are plainly other factors why it's not working, they don't look like an offense that likes each other much at the moment, equally I do think it's notable that it's only one of our big 3 receiving targets that isn't getting yards, but it's the one guy who makes noise about it and I think that is skewing perceptions a lot. Smitty and Goedert were both going along at career year pace until we tried to force it down AJ's throat at weekend.

The coaching staff need to get the offense in and have a frank clear the air meeting, hell let 'em take swings at each other if needs be as long as everyone comes out on the same page.

13 hours ago, McMVP said:

I don’t want to say they are playing possum, but they do have the talent to do so if they actually wanted to.

But do I think they know they can do a lot more, but don’t want to just yet? Sometimes it certainly feels that way

13 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Nothing would surprise me with them…only reason why I struggle to go with this notion is if they were that willing to putz around right now, they probably shouldn’t be risking injury and trotting out broken offensive linemen…that approach would suggest they’d be more willing to rest their walking wounded.

12 minutes ago, mattwill said:

An interesting discussion on the Blog. Thoughts?

Yeah, I call it the KISS offense. I posted the am article earlier. Hurts is athletic, but he is no brainiac and couldn't handle Moores offense as evidenced by the ungodly turnovers for those first 4 games. The turn came at 1/2 time of the Cleveland game and Siri never looked back. IMO this is why we ran the RPO extensively, because It's what Hurt could understand. He was used to that from his college days and it took awhile for him to understand and learn things. Joe,93and I kept screaming for them to use PLAY ACTION and get away from the college RPO. In fact I believe that's what the O line meeting was about. There were getting tagged for "illegal lineman downfield". When they asked for the meeting with Siri, they want to stop the RPO because the line was not built for that. They wanted to play to their strengths. If you look at the RPO vs Play action and understand how the line is affected by each, you can see why the line wanted to go to the PRO play action and steer away from the RPO college game. In the meantime the O line DID learn how to function in the RPO better,so we use both now. Part of the learning process for both the O line and Hurts as well

8 minutes ago, mattwill said:

An interesting discussion on the Blog. Thoughts?

My thoughts... don't false start, don't hold, don't miss a block, don't get blown up or get beat right away.... then make the read.... make the throw.... finally catch the ball.

That formula works. Regardless of a play call.

Also....for me it starts with my thoughts that I was saying all of last season...the 2024 Eagles OL is an ALL TIME ELITE OL. Easily could argue for one season the absolute best of all time. It was the biggest of all time size wise. They stayed healthy and had 2 excellent backups with Steen and Fred Johnson.

The 2025 OL... is below average among the 2025 group of 32 OLs. The drop off between 2024 to 2025.... easily reflects the mirror image of the offense and the results from last year to this year.

This current offense is not close to last year, and it starts with the driving force, the #1 unit of any position group not only in 2024, but in a long time. You could say possibly all time as if you compared their size, speed and strength, they dwarf or DL from the late 80s early 90s. Go back to the 85 Bears, the 2000 Ravens... look at those players and hoe they would matchup to the 2024 Eagles OL.

Saquon, AJ etc...great players... but that OL was the driving factor.

Went over the game again, read some to see if it's just me - it isn't. We're running too many late breaking hitch routes, the D's know it, and have it covered because we're not throwing at the break. We lead the league in 3 and outs partially due to the lack of creativity. How hard is it to install crossing patterns, rub routes, bunch sets?

Here is a better route tree guide than the one posted by Ham FWIW

AJ runs a skinny post and those are the ones Hurts won't throw, the ones we are yelling at Hurts to "let it go". Ham slams when routes are not clean cut,but the skinny post is an arc by design. Once you get inside leverage and assuming the CB is not as, or as fast as the WR, it's already over, and the ball needs to be in the air

On 11/18/2025 at 7:00 AM, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Derrick Gunn is on Mt. Rushmore of Eagles reporters. When he says something it is very noteworthy

DGunn says there are "lots of people (in the Eagles) that are frustrated with the QB situation”

Compares it to "Carson Wentz Pt. 2”

"Lots of people”????

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

"Lots of people”????

Pretty tough for there to even be "lots of people” …AJ even just gave his huge vote of confidence……of course the game plan was to feed him the ball.

On 11/18/2025 at 7:00 AM, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Derrick Gunn is on Mt. Rushmore of Eagles reporters. When he says something it is very noteworthy

DGunn says there are "lots of people (in the Eagles) that are frustrated with the QB situation”

Compares it to "Carson Wentz Pt. 2”

Who would risk their career even by grumbling out loud frustrations with our leader?

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Who would risk their career even by grumbling out loud frustrations with our leader?

AJ would be the obvious and first guess….yet he just came out loudly stating the opposite.

On 11/18/2025 at 10:15 AM, mattwill said:

For @cunninghamtheman

"The point is, ladies and gentlemen, that winning — for lack of a better word — is good.

Winning is right.

Winning works.

Winning clarifies, cuts through and captures the essence of football.

Winning, in all its forms — winning in life, winning in money, winning in love, knowledge — has marked the upward surge of Eagles fans.

And winning — you mark my words — will not only save the Eagles, but the entire city of Philadelphia.”

Actually I’m all about getting those Ws this season. I know it isn’t as consistent as I usually predictably demonstrate. But the schedule and the situation aligned this season where we just need to grab those W each week. Not the same situation we went into last season with at all.

33 minutes ago, mjkline1958 said:

Went over the game again, read some to see if it's just me - it isn't. We're running too many late breaking hitch routes, the D's know it, and have it covered because we're not throwing at the break. We lead the league in 3 and outs partially due to the lack of creativity. How hard is it to install crossing patterns, rub routes, bunch sets?

Same as last 6 years. Players are playing as well.

46 minutes ago, mjkline1958 said:

Went over the game again, read some to see if it's just me - it isn't. We're running too many late breaking hitch routes, the D's know it, and have it covered because we're not throwing at the break. We lead the league in 3 and outs partially due to the lack of creativity. How hard is it to install crossing patterns, rub routes, bunch sets?

Fran Duffy...Eagles insider did a great job on his podcast showing all this. Explaining the difference this year vs the last 4 years.

The same concepts they have used since 2021. Yet on the videos he shows how Hurts isn't decisive and then throwing lanes disappear as he switches from one read to the next. On multiple plays.

The second thing was a deep dive on AJ Brown. His data from last 9 games of last year vs his 9 games this year. He was looking at top speed, average speed and distance ran.

Basically looking to analyze if he was just running more distance this year as a decoy or if something scheme wise could be the issue. His conclusion ( to save on the endless data he gave) was last year the data shows AJ being more explosive. Top end speed and more time running over 18.5 mph last year.

So if you combine a worse line, less threat of run and less pass protection, with your #1 WR being less explosive, causing your QB to be less decisive... it's leading to these results.

The straight up passing game is 4th worst in the league...Denver at 9-2 is one of the 3 teams below us if that means anything??

But interesting when you see the tape and the data all in one place. Plus just the mistakes at the wrong time and some fluke plays. We had drops early, a WR false start on a tush push, AJ stumbled and was called for an illegal block...the last two weeks also had the worst weather... it's been like Murphys law for this offense. As they said, the bye came at the wrong time. But definitely a great one for the defense!

38 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

"Lots of people”????

Don't worry....pretend just like Reddick situation and ignore it. It works for you. Gunners isn't the only one here with this stuff. There are insiders making great points....why isn't anyone disagreeing with AJ. The feeling is he is more popular in the locker room.

A leader knows how to be part of a group..not above it. Seems like an issue a lot of them have with the QB.

And as a few point out...." the passing game looks exactly how Hurts wants it to look"

The QB is the guy who gets credited for wins regardless of how well he played or how good he looks. The other guys not so much. Reading the room might be the issue here.

43 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Pretty tough for there to even be "lots of people” …AJ even just gave his huge vote of confidence……of course the game plan was to feed him the ball.

Feed him the ball? 8 targets looks like a game plan of feeding someone the ball?

23 hours ago, mattwill said:

Tuesday Noon Eagles-Cowboys Week Twelve Game Score Predictions Update - 123 hours until Kickoff

10 predictions recorded. 7 are for an Eagles win and 3 are for a Cowboys win.  The average predicted score is Eagles 23 Cowboys 18.

I believe I got everyone's prediction. If you don't see your name below, I either missed your prediction or you haven't submitted one yet.

As always, please tag your prediction post with @mattwill that way I will be sure to see/record it.  Score predictions can also have an optional "Bonus Pick" tiebreaker prediction.  I will be taking predictions right up until Kickoff.

The list of the 10 predictions that are recorded is presented below, sorted high to low by Eagles points predicted.

Eagles 23.... Dallas 20

Defensive score by the Eagles

44 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Fran Duffy...Eagles insider did a great job on his podcast showing all this. Explaining the difference this year vs the last 4 years.

The same concepts they have used since 2021. Yet on the videos he shows how Hurts isn't decisive and then throwing lanes disappear as he switches from one read to the next. On multiple plays.

The second thing was a deep dive on AJ Brown. His data from last 9 games of last year vs his 9 games this year. He was looking at top speed, average speed and distance ran.

Basically looking to analyze if he was just running more distance this year as a decoy or if something scheme wise could be the issue. His conclusion ( to save on the endless data he gave) was last year the data shows AJ being more explosive. Top end speed and more time running over 18.5 mph last year.

So if you combine a worse line, less threat of run and less pass protection, with your #1 WR being less explosive, causing your QB to be less decisive... it's leading to these results.

The straight up passing game is 4th worst in the league...Denver at 9-2 is one of the 3 teams below us if that means anything??

But interesting when you see the tape and the data all in one place. Plus just the mistakes at the wrong time and some fluke plays. We had drops early, a WR false start on a tush push, AJ stumbled and was called for an illegal block...the last two weeks also had the worst weather... it's been like Murphys law for this offense. As they said, the bye came at the wrong time. But definitely a great one for the defense!

So the coach running the O doesn’t have much of anything running crisp. Short version!

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Who would risk their career even by grumbling out loud frustrations with our leader?

Apparently a lot of people you were all for this stuff when it was Wentz but now it’s Hurts under fire and you don’t want to believe any of it…. And it isn’t like these are the first reports coming out about him either clearly something is going on

You look at a lot of quarterbacks, they’re going to sling it. They’re going to trying to throw it through the eye of the needle. Sometimes you just have to take that chance. That’s not his game. That’s why he stands back there, a lot of the time he’s patting the ball, patting the ball, and it throws the timing of the offense off. The rhythm is thrown off. They can’t get him out of it.

It’s frustrating, in a lot of ways, to the coaching staff. And to the players. Extremely frustrating to the players. Because when they look at the film, the next day or a few days later, they see what’s available out there and what should’ve happened, and it didn’t happen, that’s frustrating to them as well.

[…]

I’m just basically telling you there’s a lot of people in that organization that are frustrated with the quarterback situation right now. But the quarterback understands he has them over a barrel. This is almost Carson Wentz part two. They’re not going to eat this kind of money yet.“

That’s part of the conversation from Gunn and Joyner posted the link to the article couple days ago.

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

AJ would be the obvious and first guess….yet he just came out loudly stating the opposite.

Because they had a meeting and he was probably told to stifle it