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6 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

He didn’t specify football just said leader…. But image had leaders on his football teams through out his playing high school teams, college teams etc 

So now we have1) Hurts is a leader,,then we have 2) he's not social and standoffish.. Seems to me those 2 are opposites. If you lead,you lead everywhere. I'm not in the locker room so I have no clue,but opposing views on his skills.

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11 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Jalen Hurts regressed drastically he went back to being dead last in the league at holding the ball… struggled with turnovers…. Looked lost toward the end of the year…

Him getting back on track is way more concerning then a talented Carter who hasn’t shown anything other then he is a hard worker willing to listen and get coached since coming in. 

Hurts had a good season. He didn’t regress. He did hold the ball way too long. But I don’t see that as because of him. Complaints from inside and out all labeled our O as long developing routes. Even when blitz was expected. Look at each incomplete pass against TB in the playoffs. Two drops by Goedert. But then 8 of the other incompletions were all similar. Blitz pressure forcing him to throw. But hitting his receivers in the back. None breaking off their routes. All unaware of expecting the ball to already arrive. Playcall should have been quick hitting routes from the start. We all predicted 75 percent blitz heavy Bowles approach. But long developing routes were called. Even with Empty backfields. But no adjustments from WR to cut off routes to account for blitz.

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Seems to me his leadership took a dive when teams figured out how to contain him,just my observation. After the bye teams figured him out and he became ineffective and regressed,so IDK if anyone can bring that back out,because we need him to lead. He/We need to find answers to the containment

Our O pretty much was just Jalen avoiding the rush to give long routes time to develop. When he successfully stalled for 3.5 seconds or longer plays were there to he made. Siri and playcalling heavily searched for big plays. 

You call a bunch of quick slants and Outs and hooks like I complained for all season no way Hurts can hold the ball.

Hardly any motion. To open guys up at the line. Not even much of using picks to free guys. Did we run one crossing pattern each game even?

It kind of just became WR screen or downfield.

Should he the main focus for Hurts this offseason. Quick timing passing.

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https://www.nflanalysis.net/eagles-must-bring-back-sleeper-key-offensive-piece/  I like Stoll also.He's not the best TE out there,but he works very hard. I was a bit miffed at the misuse of Goedert as well. "We need to do better" HAHAHA

But you want to blame the QB for not having coaching call quick passes? Or for how it just flat out just relied on the plan being Hurts buys time for receivers  to work the longer routes?

Like three straight games commentators laughed at how obvious and predictable our O was. It was based on Hurts holding the ball and buying time to create the big play.

14 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But haven’t seen him do things to change and grow.

lol besides idk taking to coaching listening to teammates and working his ass off all year…. And the season just ended what do you want Carter to do??? He should be resting his body after a long season before attacking the offseason

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Like three straight games commentators laughed at how obvious and predictable our O was. It was based on Hurts holding the ball and buying time to create the big play.

It’s the story you make up in your head for guys like Carter then the excuses for Hurts lmao 🤣…. 

3 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

It’s the story you make up in your head for guys like Carter then the excuses for Hurts lmao 🤣…. 

So I spoke out how I saw things go down all season. Was seeing the flaws while we were 10-1. How did you see things go down? Even if you missed what was occurring first half if the season….how can you deny the finish?

5 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

It’s the story you make up in your head for guys like Carter then the excuses for Hurts lmao 🤣…. 

Hurts can face fault and blame. But not because he didn’t try or work hard enough.

Does anybody think Hurts just coasted all offseason and ignored getting prepared on gamedays? Anything like that?

14 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Hurts had a good season. He didn’t regress.

15 interceptions 6 fumbles that’s a good season to you???? 
 

Oh he broke the single season franchise record in tds so the tush push tds don’t impress me.

Hurts definitely regressed last year and we not even talking other bonehead mistakes he made 

How do you explain a player that works hard and is dedicated not growing and improving? 

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

How do you explain a player that works hard and is dedicated not growing and improving? 

That’s great and yet Hurts was worse this year he didn’t protect the ball well at all, he didn’t read defenses well and he made bone head mistakes. Can say he was playing ton much hero ball if you want trying to do to much.

 

Would we rather have 

Hurts 35 tds 11 turnovers 

Hurts 38 tds 21 turnovers????

id clearly rather have the version that protected the ball 

I also want to say Hurts had his lowest avg yards per attempt, adjusted air yards and lot of other advanced stats that show he was worse 

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

15 interceptions 6 fumbles that’s a good season to you???? 
 

Oh he broke the single season franchise record in tds so the tush push tds don’t impress me.

Hurts definitely regressed last year and we not even talking other bonehead mistakes he made 

Gotta sort through the dumb just throwing out stats. Look at the stats of the success of Hurts throwing to Quez. Nothing good came if it. Two of  interceptions. 50/50 balls that he at least should have knocked down to avoid Interceptions. Then a few at the end of  games while trailing. I like those. Don’t protect stats and story lines. Only chance to win was throw it up and make a play or get PI called. He did that. Didn’t dunk and dunk playing safe to justify his role. He threw higher percentage risky throws because the situation demanded it. 

Now some were flat on Hurts. But really I blame the bad O mostly for it all.

But yeah ….you thinking so highly of Hurts that breaking the franchise scoring TDs record and leading the league in scoring…you criticize. You wanted so much more than that strong season.

Never been a QB so great he overcame a bad scheme, coaching and playcalling to thrive. Nobody

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