13 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

To even try and state Hurts does anything but rise to the challenge under pressure is completely false. The guy is the ultimate competitor. Stepped his game up and thrives under pressure. Hurts isn’t the reason we haven’t or can’t win a SB. 

We won't by giving teams free points. That is failure to rise to the occasion you speak of. If you want a ring your mistakes need to be smaller and in a perfect world, non existent. Huge UNFORCED mistakes are the worst kind

9 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yes AVERAGE PPG(actually it's 31)Last year Dullaz 29.9.us 25.6 FACTS

How many points did we score in that SB? Over or under 32? Maybe your old age memory is slipping here. I’ll remind you.. 35!

How many games would you like to start out down 7-0??? It's the same thing

The guy guiding us to 35 points you blame as the reason we failed? Somehow this is logical to you

23 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

My point was the Oline has to work together as a unit. Five decent guys can make a better line that much more talented players playing as individuals. Can’t you agree with that? I know you’ve watched plenty of football in your time.

Sure but again 1 guy completes the OL was the point Joe was making your trying to dive to deep into it… obviously they all have to mesh and work together that is the assumption 

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

How many points did we score in that SB? Over or under 32? Maybe your old age memory is slipping here. I’ll remind you.. 33!

YAY and how many did they score? Who exceeded the 31 PPG more? What would they have scored without a free 7? Who had the 1/2 time lead????

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

How many games would you like to start out down 7-0??? It's the same thing

Occurred plenty last season…squeezed out a win so many times come from behind.

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

YAY and how many did they score? Who exceeded the 31 PPG more? What would they have scored without a free 7? Who had the 1/2 time lead????

Who choked under pressure Hurts or Mahomes?

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Occurred plenty last season…squeezed out a win so many times come from behind.

Excuses. We're all tired of them. Lurie will be soon also

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Sure but again 1 guy completes the OL was the point Joe was making your trying to dive to deep into it… obviously they all have to mesh and work together that is the assumption 

Oline is a unit working together. It always sounds great to point to accolades of individuals. But when you can’t open a whole to run the ball in the big game what does it matter? Couldn’t run the ball for crap against KC. Does future HoF jackets change any of that?

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Who choked under pressure Hurts or Mahomes?

Gannon, Bradberry, Terribly bad P, Slay, Ceedy Duce , Sanders(injured), Quez,Gainwell, pretty much the whole Oline run blocking, Edwards, White, Whole Dline….easier to list the nonchokers because I’m not nearly done

Hurts thrived and stepped up massively under the huge SB pressure…dude is a gamer and top notch competitor.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Gannon, Bradberry, Terribly bad P, Slay, Ceedy Duce , Sanders(injured), Quez,Gainwell, pretty much the whole Oline run blocking, Edwards, White, Whole Dline….easier to list the nonchokers because I’m not nearly done

Which of those guys handed KC a free 7 points?

7 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Sure but again 1 guy completes the OL was the point Joe was making your trying to dive to deep into it… obviously they all have to mesh and work together that is the assumption 

No the point No Mas attempts to make us that accolades mean each play they perform at a HoF level. Disregarding the team sport aspects. Disregarding how the Oline is a unit that has to work together as one. One finger that’s the best in the world can’t punch like a solid whole fist.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Hurts thrived and stepped up massively under the huge SB pressure…dude is a gamer and top notch competitor.

SHOW me the ring. We not only showed Hurts the money, we gave it to him. Now it's time to put a Lombardi in the trophy case,no more excuses. Top rate RB now,all top rate receivers, a top notch TE. Of course now you can blame a new O line, or whatever other excuses you want, but the fact remains the QB runs the team and gets paid far and away the most to accomplish that

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Which of those guys handed KC a free 7 points?

Most of them. P shanked the P returned  that was immediately converted into 7 after. All these defenders ad DC gave up 14…two TDs on the same play run leaving the receiver completely uncovered. No defender near him…twice. Same play both times. Twice…meaning 14 points.

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

SHOW me the ring. We not only showed Hurts the money, we gave it to him. Now it's time to put a Lombardi in the trophy case,no more excuses. Top rate RB now,all top rate receivers, a top notch TE. Of course now you can blame a new O line, or whatever other excuses you want, but the fact remains the QB runs the team and gets paid far and away the most to accomplish that

Showed Hurts the money because he stepped up and thrived under the heaviest pressure on the biggest stage. Threw the bag at him..for the same game you throwing the ax on him for. Huge divide in opinions.

11 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Oline is a unit working together. It always sounds great to point to accolades of individuals. But when you can’t open a whole to run the ball in the big game what does it matter? Couldn’t run the ball for crap against KC. Does future HoF jackets change any of that?

Secondary is a unit that works together why you see such drastic fall offs when so many new faces work together the communication is off. 

14 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

YAY and how many did they score? Who exceeded the 31 PPG more? What would they have scored without a free 7? Who had the 1/2 time lead????

They actually played D. Does that factor into any of your logic ever on the way to your singular purpose of scoring 32? Scored 35…yet you still place the blame

Just now, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Secondary is a unit that works together why you see such drastic fall offs when so many new faces work together the communication is off. 

Absolutely. Secondary..plus they gotta work with passing off coverages from the LBs. Team sport. Excellent point!

10 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Which of those guys handed KC a free 7 points?

We know it wasn’t the RBs. Had to sit them on the bench because they weren’t effective at all. They couldn’t fumble because wouldn’t give them the ball anymore after nothing but failure.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Most of them. P shanked the P returned  that was immediately converted into 7 after. All these defenders ad DC gave up 14…two TDs on the same play run leaving the receiver completely uncovered. No defender near him…twice. Same play both times. Twice…meaning 14 points.

Mahomes was DOWN 10 points in the SB. Which QB responded??? There was no reason to allow Mahomes to outscore us by over 10 points in 30 minutes 31 PPG wasn't enough in that game,yet in 30 minutes our offense got outscored(yes the D stunk up the joint as well) but there was no reason for us to be outscored. I could see it differently if we were down by 10 at the 1/2. But we were UP. Their offense responded(led by Mahomes) and we couldn't put up enough points. The D was bad enough but when the O gives up a free 7 it deflates the whole team

6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

No the point No Mas attempts to make us that accolades mean each play they perform at a HoF level.

This is false or just the say you want to take it. The reality was RG pre draft made the most sense. Simply put RG(or C I guess) completed the OL yes the OL prospect we drafted had mesh with the rest and I understand it doesn’t always happen. But if you do get the right guy and complete the OL you have a guy that starting every snap making an already strong OL stronger. 
 

Now I love our DB additions and I hope they are better then the duo of Sheldon/Lito but like OL they are a unit Mitchell/Dejean/Slay etc. mistakes are likely with new guys 

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Showed Hurts the money because he stepped up and thrived under the heaviest pressure on the biggest stage. Threw the bag at him..for the same game you throwing the ax on him for. Huge divide in opinions.

You don't take a sack in the EZ in ANY GAME ANYWHERE in ANY VENUE. if you are too stupid to throw the ball away that is not "thriving under pressure" that is succumbing to the pressure.please.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We know it wasn’t the RBs. Had to sit them on the bench because they weren’t effective at all. They couldn’t fumble because wouldn’t give them the ball anymore after nothing but failure.

If the RB's aren't effective then you THROW the ball,Hurts has that option in the RPO(that's why it's called the RPO)