55 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED. Once you do something,alot is name recognition afterwards. So you have your excuse built in already eh? How did KC win the SB if we had the best ever C? We shoulda whooped TB's arse last year. Without the tush push Hurts will actually have to play QB now

Are you actually saying here that Kelce was living off name recognition in his career? Completely false! Kelce was a player that lived up to the billing even his last season he played. Kelce didn’t have to retire because his level of play dropped off so hard. Kelce was playing at a high level even last season. Guy was a complete stud player…all the way. He earned that name recognition pretty much every single game of his career.

"How did KC win the SB if we had the best C ever?” Stated by FL. Are you kidding me here? We put up 35 points. Fact is the best C in the game now plays for the Chiefs. The guy is really good. How could you even try to make the point of Kelce being something lesser because we didn’t win the SB? Just ridiculous! It’s a team sport. You try to keep placing that one loss on individuals. Really just two individuals. We lost that game over and over because of Hurts you’ve been endlessly pounding the table about. Now trying to take down Kelce a notch because we didn’t win that game…like it’s because he isn’t such a great player. Just a complete lack of any real understanding of team sports. Complete unawareness of what happened that day.

We had most of our team(players and coaches) come up extremely small in that SB. The obvious scapegoats were everywhere. All the guys that shrunk in the big game. We had a top D that season. None of that whole side of the ball showed up…at all. All these players that are so very talented and played like crap that day. Yet you are pointing to two of the guys that played excellent ball that day as the problem. Just zero awareness. I have no idea what it is you ever are seeing. 

On 4/28/2024 at 6:03 PM, cunninghamtheman said:

My point was the Oline has to work together as a unit. Five decent guys can make a better line that much more talented players playing as individuals. Can’t you agree with that? I know you’ve watched plenty of football in your time.

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19 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

No the point No Mas attempts to make us that accolades mean each play they perform at a HoF level. Disregarding the team sport aspects. Disregarding how the Oline is a unit that has to work together as one. One finger that’s the best in the world can’t punch like a solid whole fist.

AGAIN.... I believe the OL and Secondary are units.   where ONE player ...ONE STUD... ONE OL or DB doesn't make as much of a difference as having a COMPLETE UNIT.

If I had my preference for ONE STUD... it would be WR or DL.   Because you only have to win ONE MATCHUP when you are the offense looking to attack the secondary...and ONE match up when you are the defense when rushing the passer or even penetrating to tackle the RB.

The OL needs to be the UNIT... 5 solid guys... with NO HOLES, no WEAK PLAYER.     The DBs... solid unit with NO HOLEs... No WEAK PLAYER.

Dion Sanders and Izel Jenkins don't work as good as two solid CBs.       Prime Jason Peters and Danny the Fireman don't work as good as Evan Mathis and Todd Herrimans. 

However.... T.O and Pinky work better than Reggie Brown and Jason Avant

Jerome Brown and Mike Golic, work better than Bunkley and Patterson ... Lawrence Taylor and your scrub OLB opposite are going to work bbetter than Connor Barwin and another decent OLB.

The Stud WR and DL can win their battle... its a win for the team.  The CB or OL win their battle... you still need to win all the other ones, or won't be a win for the team.  

******    Prior to the OBVIOUS that the secondary and OL units needs to work well together... is the fact that INVIDIDUALLY the players must be good enough to do their own job.  

So having 5 solid OL... no need for hall of fame jacket... but NEED for all 5 to be quality level individual players should be the goal.   Prior to the 2024 draft, the Eagles getting a solid RG would have completed the individual portion of the OL... prior to the OBVIOUS gelling together.      Getting ONE STUD CB... still need more in our secondary.   Now we got two CBs, and didn't draft an early OL.... who wants to say with confidence our secondary will be better than our OL?    Now imagine we drafted OL at 22, then another at 40... took DBs in round 5 and 6... would there be a question if our OL would be the better unit than out secondary?     No... because our OL was closer to being a complete UNIT.  

 

BTW... am I the only one on here that realizes today is Tuesday... nobody else is saying it, so I must be alone?    WTF!  

3 days away from Fangio screwing up the rookie DBs by making them walk and chew gum at the same time!  

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Are you actually saying here that Kelce was living off name recognition in his career? Completely false! Kelce was a player that lived up to the billing even his last season he played. Kelce didn’t have to retire because his level of play dropped off so hard. Kelce was playing at a high level even last season. Guy was a complete stud player…all the way. He earned that name recognition pretty much every single game of his career.

LOL happens with politicians also. I never said he didn't live up to the billing, YOU said I said it. When people VOTE they vote for names they know,that is REALITY!!! if you have 2 players that are equal,people will vote for the name they know or have heard. Please tell me you aren't this naive.You think when fans vote on who should go to the pro bowl they research every candidate??? Really???? if you think they do then you answered my question about how naive you are

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

"How did KC win the SB if we had the best C ever?” Stated by FL. Are you kidding me here? We put up 35 points. Fact is the best C in the game now plays for the Chiefs. The guy is really good. How could you even try to make the point of Kelce being something lesser because we didn’t win the SB? Just ridiculous! It’s a team sport. You try to keep placing that one loss on individuals. Really just two individuals. We lost that game over and over because of Hurts you’ve been endlessly pounding the table about. Now trying to take down Kelce a notch because we didn’t win that game…like it’s because he isn’t such a great player. Just a complete lack of any real understanding of team sports. Complete unawareness of what happened that day.

OK let's try this' Jurgens is our center, WTF are you going to do about that????? If he sucks,he SUCKS,but he is our center,so you go right ahead and worry yourself into a tizzy about it because there's not a damn thing you are going to do about it. Kelce was a great C,he is now GONE. As in RETIRED GONE. Keep working yourself up with BS you don't control and bash guys who are now our starters without even having seen one snap played. If JURGENS SUCKS HE SUCKS but he is the CENTER-THAT is REALITY. Kelce had to play his first game sometime too didn't he??????? Did you go into hysterics when Kelce started for us???? And believe me if Jurgens sicks that bad he will be replaced,but keep worrying because the guy we replace Jurgens with could also suck- OMG call the UH OH police

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He earned that name recognition

OH so see you admit it also HAHAHAHAHA yes he earned that,no one said he didn't. But once you are at the top it tends to be easier to get votes because people know you achieved them. After that you can't totally suck,but you can do what you do and assume many votes will be because "well he was there already and the team is winning" and that is reality

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

BTW... am I the only one on here that realizes today is Tuesday... nobody else is saying it, so I must be alone?    WTF!  

3 days away from Fangio screwing up the rookie DBs by making them walk and chew gum at the same time!  

LMAO. Well they have 3 days left I guess before they are all led to slaughter

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

AGAIN.... I believe the OL and Secondary are units.   where ONE player ...ONE STUD... ONE OL or DB doesn't make as much of a difference as having a COMPLETE UNIT.

If I had my preference for ONE STUD... it would be WR or DL.   Because you only have to win ONE MATCHUP when you are the offense looking to attack the secondary...and ONE match up when you are the defense when rushing the passer or even penetrating to tackle the RB.

The OL needs to be the UNIT... 5 solid guys... with NO HOLES, no WEAK PLAYER.     The DBs... solid unit with NO HOLEs... No WEAK PLAYER.

Dion Sanders and Izel Jenkins don't work as good as two solid CBs.       Prime Jason Peters and Danny the Fireman don't work as good as Evan Mathis and Todd Herrimans. 

However.... T.O and Pinky work better than Reggie Brown and Jason Avant

Jerome Brown and Mike Golic, work better than Bunkley and Patterson ... Lawrence Taylor and your scrub OLB opposite are going to work bbetter than Connor Barwin and another decent OLB.

The Stud WR and DL can win their battle... its a win for the team.  The CB or OL win their battle... you still need to win all the other ones, or won't be a win for the team.  

******    Prior to the OBVIOUS that the secondary and OL units needs to work well together... is the fact that INVIDIDUALLY the players must be good enough to do their own job.  

So having 5 solid OL... no need for hall of fame jacket... but NEED for all 5 to be quality level individual players should be the goal.   Prior to the 2024 draft, the Eagles getting a solid RG would have completed the individual portion of the OL... prior to the OBVIOUS gelling together.      Getting ONE STUD CB... still need more in our secondary.   Now we got two CBs, and didn't draft an early OL.... who wants to say with confidence our secondary will be better than our OL?    Now imagine we drafted OL at 22, then another at 40... took DBs in round 5 and 6... would there be a question if our OL would be the better unit than out secondary?     No... because our OL was closer to being a complete UNIT.  

 

No we can't win. Jurgens is too much of a drop off. We should just forfeit our season now. We have no one. The rookies will be ruined and the C who has been here 2 years can't make calls. The RG starter will suck,it's already been decided. Bark won't have any holes on that side to run though. Hurts will have to carry everyone once again because he is the only player we have. I am totally "unaware" and you "don't know what you're talking about". Ham's word is law. You need to get going on this. We mistakenly live in the real world.

2011(I believe) Kelce started. In 2012 It was Reynolds who started at C. Then Reynolds went to the Gnats and Kelce was starting again.Feel free to correct me because as everyone knows I am "uneducated" and "unaware",but in my obvious stupidity,lack of awareness,lack of education, and having no clue what I'm talking about, this must have been the 3 year span in which Ham lost his sanity, because my god, we changed centers 3 years in a row and went back to Kelce. IDK how I maintained or controlled myself from falling off the deep end into the abyss 🤣 

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

 

And?????? FreeGjr is your new messiah?

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

BTW... am I the only one on here that realizes today is Tuesday... nobody else is saying it, so I must be alone?    WTF!  

3 days away from Fangio screwing up the rookie DBs by making them walk and chew gum at the same time!  

I'm just shaking until they get the assigned parking in order😆

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

LOL happens with politicians also. I never said he didn't live up to the billing, YOU said I said it. When people VOTE they vote for names they know,that is REALITY!!! if you have 2 players that are equal,people will vote for the name they know or have heard. Please tell me you aren't this naive.You think when fans vote on who should go to the pro bowl they research every candidate??? Really???? if you think they do then you answered my question about how naive you are

No I don’t think Kelce was living off of name recognition alone..at all.

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

2011(I believe) Kelce started. In 2012 It was Reynolds who started at C. Then Reynolds went to the Gnats and Kelce was starting again.Feel free to correct me because as everyone knows I am "uneducated" and "unaware",but in my obvious stupidity,lack of awareness,lack of education, and having no clue what I'm talking about, this must have been the 3 year span in which Ham lost his sanity, because my god, we changed centers 3 years in a row and went back to Kelce. IDK how I maintained or controlled myself from falling off the deep end into the abyss 🤣 

Kelce was injured early in his career... I believe 2 injurues???

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

OK let's try this' Jurgens is our center, WTF are you going to do about that????? If he sucks,he SUCKS,but he is our center,so you go right ahead and worry yourself into a tizzy about it because there's not a damn thing you are going to do about it. Kelce was a great C,he is now GONE. As in RETIRED GONE. Keep working yourself up with BS you don't control and bash guys who are now our starters without even having seen one snap played. If JURGENS SUCKS HE SUCKS but he is the CENTER-THAT is REALITY. Kelce had to play his first game sometime too didn't he??????? Did you go into hysterics when Kelce started for us???? And believe me if Jurgens sicks that bad he will be replaced,but keep worrying because the guy we replace Jurgens with could also suck- OMG call the UH OH police

Lesser than the best ever…is all I said about Jurgens that you disagreed with

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

OH so see you admit it also HAHAHAHAHA yes he earned that,no one said he didn't. But once you are at the top it tends to be easier to get votes because people know you achieved them. After that you can't totally suck,but you can do what you do and assume many votes will be because "well he was there already and the team is winning" and that is reality

So when is it Kelce was living off name recognition instead of his play?

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

2011(I believe) Kelce started. In 2012 It was Reynolds who started at C. Then Reynolds went to the Gnats and Kelce was starting again.Feel free to correct me because as everyone knows I am "uneducated" and "unaware",but in my obvious stupidity,lack of awareness,lack of education, and having no clue what I'm talking about, this must have been the 3 year span in which Ham lost his sanity, because my god, we changed centers 3 years in a row and went back to Kelce. IDK how I maintained or controlled myself from falling off the deep end into the abyss 🤣 

Kelce has been the guy since he walked in. Corrected…again

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

2011(I believe) Kelce started. In 2012 It was Reynolds who started at C. Then Reynolds went to the Gnats and Kelce was starting again.Feel free to correct me because as everyone knows I am "uneducated" and "unaware",but in my obvious stupidity,lack of awareness,lack of education, and having no clue what I'm talking about, this must have been the 3 year span in which Ham lost his sanity, because my god, we changed centers 3 years in a row and went back to Kelce. IDK how I maintained or controlled myself from falling off the deep end into the abyss 🤣 

https://www.delcotimes.com/2012/09/17/eagles-reynolds-ready-to-fill-void-left-by-kelce-with-videos/

I seem to remember some on this board saying Kelce was too small etc.

2 minutes ago, mjkline1958 said:

I seem to remember some on this board saying Kelce was too small etc.

Shady admitted to telling coach that orginally. He said it didn’t take him long to completely come around in Kelce favor.

How many pages can be bogged down by Kelce wasn’t good because we didn’t win the Super Bowl, he was living on name recognition only and there won’t be a drop off now that he’s retired?

Not going to hear that from me, I was for him from the beginning. Is Jurgens going to be an adjustment? Sure. Not written in stone yet as we now have several who are going to vie for C and RG. Jurgens was Kelces' choice when we got him, still is, so I'll trust him - at least for now. We'll see what happens in camp. OTC still has us at 29 mill cap space.

By the way, axing Bradberry June 1st only saves us like 4 mill, still on the hook for 11 next yr