Gotta consider our team played all the way through the SB to end 2022 season. Then played every game down to the wire all season without being able to pull or rest players…couldn’t even take it easy at the end of any games….including two OT games vs Washington and Buffalo. Giants and Cards games the D just look zapped. Looked whatever is past zapped the games after that.

Media really reaching at straws to drum up strive between Siri and Hurts lol honestly comical at this point listening to the media 

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Media really reaching at straws to drum up strive between Siri and Hurts lol honestly comical at this point listening to the media 

Not sure they need to dig much. What’s Siri’s job anymore? It’s completely Fangio’s D…including personnel. Completely Moore’s O. Rosie is in charge of decision making for each coordinator. Had a media opportunity with Rosie and Siri this offseason with the press not asking a single question to Siri. He’s not even that great at the press conference part of things which is all that’s really left for him to do. Basically just a middle man to take the fall if things don’t go according to plan at this point.

If a player doesn’t agree or get along with Siri is he getting benched? Traded? Cut? If Siri wants to do something Fangio doesn’t…what happens? Siri I guess is in charge of timeouts and challenges now. That’s about it. Going to team banquets for photo ops. Kick the field goal or go for it on fourth down situations along with whether to go for the two point conversion…maybe. I prefer in several of those circumstances making the choice with belief you have a playcall you feel strongly will work though. Which wouldn’t be the case in this situation with him being detached.

I thought Siri lost the team last season. Was surely going to be axed. 

Go back to the Chiefs game and Siri is raising his hand up antagonizing Mahomes…Hurts has to regulate his HC and pull his arm down. Then Siri has that outburst yelling at the Chiefs fans after the game walking into the tunnel. Our Qb is much more mature than our HC. How would you feel in that scenario? Add to that Hurts long time family friend was the fall guy for the O becoming so stale and not having any adjustments or answers to adapt. Definitely would have to believe it would have been easier on Hurts to have lost Siri than Johnson.

Found it interesting how Hurts calls our OC, Kellen and our QB Coach, Coach Doug.

"So that’s exactly what makes it different. The X’s and O’s, the lines on the paper, they may very well be what they’re supposed to be but how I coach and how I detail these routes, how I coach the quarterback, what I want his timing to be, where I want him looking, where I want his eyes. Are receivers reading routes? Are they not reading routes? Are there alerts on this? Are there checks and adjustments built in on this? Or is there something that someone has to do, that the quarterback has to do? That’s what makes a system a system.” 
 Quote from Hurts figured I’d share

Really already can notice the difference for Hurts having a quality QB coach. By promoting Johnson from QB coach to OC we lost that last season. I definitely noticed Hurts and Coach Doug engaged in conversation and teaching in the bits of OTA tape I watched. Now the word hasn’t been that Hurts has looked sharp in these OTAs. But I’m optimistic that will develop and happen.

9 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

"Pine time” would give them the needed breather that wasn’t afforded. 

Not what I meant LOL

9 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Sounds like all he’s getting is reports this season. Hurts didn’t even have an answer for Siri’s involvement in the O this season when questioned.

I don't think you give that info out

4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Found it interesting how Hurts calls our OC, Kellen and our QB Coach, Coach Doug.

Why is it interesting?

4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

"So that’s exactly what makes it different. The X’s and O’s, the lines on the paper, they may very well be what they’re supposed to be but how I coach and how I detail these routes, how I coach the quarterback, what I want his timing to be, where I want him looking, where I want his eyes. Are receivers reading routes? Are they not reading routes? Are there alerts on this? Are there checks and adjustments built in on this? Or is there something that someone has to do, that the quarterback has to do? That’s what makes a system a system.” 
 Quote from Hurts figured I’d share

Can't be a quote from Hurts. In other words he is teaching Hurts how to play the QB position which is what we have all been saying. One of Hurts main faults is making 1 read only. An NFL QB has to do better than that,then decisive delivery on the best route open. We all know Hurts can run,but he needs to play the position now. if those 2 things combine,then you can have the MVP discussion

8 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Media really reaching at straws to drum up strive between Siri and Hurts lol honestly comical at this point listening to the media 

Possibly yeah but Hurts answer about Sirianni and how he’s adjusting wasn’t exactly a sound endorsement. We don’t know what’s going on but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Hurts doesn’t rate Sirianni.

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Can't be a quote from Hurts. In other words he is teaching Hurts how to play the QB position which is what we have all been saying. One of Hurts main faults is making 1 read only. An NFL QB has to do better than that,then decisive delivery on the best route open. We all know Hurts can run,but he needs to play the position now. if those 2 things combine,then you can have the MVP discussion

 

If the O playcaller calls a good or great play which guy should the QB be throwing to? First read.

If the QB reads the D correctly presnap which guy should he throw the ball to? First read. 

So the goal is to throw the ball to the first read….by the playcaller and the QB doing theirs jobs well.

 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Can't be a quote from Hurts. In other words he is teaching Hurts how to play the QB position which is what we have all been saying. One of Hurts main faults is making 1 read only. An NFL QB has to do better than that,then decisive delivery on the best route open. We all know Hurts can run,but he needs to play the position now. if those 2 things combine,then you can have the MVP discussion

Watch Jalen Hurts presser. It was exact quote from him.

Now it’s fake news to say Hurts didn’t throw to his second, third and even fourth reads. Rewatch the games again. You can say he didn’t find every most open receiving option. That’s fair. Happens every game with every QB. That’s football. You want to say he failed more than most great QBs should? You at least could defend that position as he could have been seeing them at a better rate. But he actually bought so much extra time so very often going through progressions. He went through the first two reads….they weren’t open….then had to escape pressure…allowing the plays to develop more…then threw. It was a big theme of our O last season. The commentators joked about it. Said they don’t know the play per se….but know that Hurts will escape pressure then hit his guy downfield with the throw. Like over and over again. We ran RPOs, Screens and long developing pass plays…with some straight running plays mixed in. Some Goedert YAC Creation plays added in. Hurts has been excellent at the big plays. Every coach loves creating big plays. But they just abused it. So how do you effect the big plays if you are D? Blitz and drop your guys back deep. It’s like our O didn’t have WR making reads almost at all to break off on hot route adjustments. Known heavy blitz was coming…whole stadium knew it…yet receiving targets still on long developing routes. So what was the coaches answer to this? They really didn’t have any answers to it…only really one thing they gave to counter it….throw a bubble screen. So as things went along we saw our opponents were reading basically these two options. Deep….or screen. Watch every single Quick Slant that we ran. Success every single time. Goedert crushed them on his Quick Out. You can see them in the highlights…worked every time. But those highlights of the quick plays …are cataloging every single time that those plays were called. 

Now read that quote once again…maybe two more times slowly. Let it sink in what Hurts is telling you. I think it’s all right there.
  The alerts. The receiver read. The QBs eyes. Checks and adjustments. This is what makes an offensive system.

12 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Not sure they need to dig much. What’s Siri’s job anymore? It’s completely Fangio’s D…including personnel. Completely Moore’s O. Rosie is in charge of decision making for each coordinator. Had a media opportunity with Rosie and Siri this offseason with the press not asking a single question to Siri. He’s not even that great at the press conference part of things which is all that’s really left for him to do. Basically just a middle man to take the fall if things don’t go according to plan at this point.

On the radio the one guy made a legit point about why Siri didn't get fired. 

The idea was Howie / Lurie couldn't fire Siri after picking his coordinators last year, who did an awful job.    Not after the success of the previous teams that had Siri’s guys at coordinators. 

So he stays and the coordinators get replaced with Siri having influence on the coordinators. 

Apparently Moore was Siri’s first choice this year while Fangio was a favorite among all of them. 

12 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

If a player doesn’t agree or get along with Siri is he getting benched? Traded? Cut? If Siri wants to do something Fangio doesn’t…what happens? Siri I guess is in charge of timeouts and challenges now. That’s about it. Going to team banquets for photo ops. Kick the field goal or go for it on fourth down situations along with whether to go for the two point conversion…maybe. I prefer in several of those circumstances making the choice with belief you have a playcall you feel strongly will work though. Which wouldn’t be the case in this situation with him being detached.

You mean Siri is in charge of what a head coach does.. I agree.

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Now read that quote once again…maybe two more times slowly. Let it sink in what Hurts is telling you. I think it’s all right there.
  The alerts. The receiver read. The QBs eyes. Checks and adjustments. This is what makes an offensive system.

You don't have to read quotes...you can just watch the press conference 

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

On the radio the one guy made a legit point about why Siri didn't get fired. 

The idea was Howie / Lurie couldn't fire Siri after picking his coordinators last year, who did an awful job.    Not after the success of the previous teams that had Siri’s guys at coordinators. 

So he stays and the coordinators get replaced with Siri having influence on the coordinators. 

Apparently Moore was Siri’s first choice this year while Fangio was a favorite among all of them. 

I believe this very much fits for the D side of things. Rosie completely screwed the pooch on that coaching situation. Lost Fangio that was already in place. Tried to most likely …how to put it….convince Gannon he needed to stay instead of face the illegal tampering black eye that Rosie would deliver. Then passed right over Dennard…another very quality option right in house. Then hired Desai…but brought in the undercutting ruthlessly job seeking Patricia. The whole time being uber transparent he was setting up the fall guy scenario on Desai to switch to Patricia. Most likely undercutting Siri with the whole team when he made the switch. I imagine the scenario possibly being something like Siri preaching solidarity and sticking together as a team to get through the tough times….only to have Rosie pull the demote and promote card at DC.

  But on the O side of things where was Siri with some answers and leadership to help guide Johnson? Supposed to be his side of the ball.

7 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

You mean Siri is in charge of what a head coach does.. I agree.

He’s in charge of the tiniest fraction of a HC job with the smallest amount of power and clout. Media and banquet poster boy….that can throw the red flag if the guys upstairs advise him to. Think Swoop has more responsibilities.

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

 

If the O playcaller calls a good or great play which guy should the QB be throwing to? First read.

If the QB reads the D correctly presnap which guy should he throw the ball to? First read. 

So the goal is to throw the ball to the first read….by the playcaller and the QB doing theirs jobs well.

 

 

 

 

But the X factor is thr defense.  This is where you need a normal football player's mind... not a pop Warner level brain.

The play call is put in without seeing the defense.  That's nice.  A good base.  But the real game begins when both sides break the huddle and get to the line....15 seconds and under on the play clock.  The players.... with the QB being paramount....need to read and react. 

Foles was great when the play call fit exactly to what the defense was showing....the reason he wasn't consistent,  is because that's not reality where you constantly win the play calling where 1st option is always there 

8 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

You don't have to read quotes...you can just watch the press conference 

Like I exactly also said…”watch the presser.”