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Ongoing Eagles New Discussion volume 2

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Rosie screwed up and messed around all over trying to keep his DC he was such a huge fan boy of in Gannon. From the start Gannon was the main reason Rosie chose to hire Siri to begin with. But Gannon completely screwed  him…and all us fans over so hard. Gannon so obviously was completely distracted going into that SB. His job performance in the SB was beyond pathetic. Just doesn’t take much of any intelligence to link together how he was preparing for his new dream HC job in Zona instead of winning the biggest game of his career for us. He dropped the ball.

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18 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He averaged almost a sack every game in his two years he played for us. Yes he started last year with an injury. Pretty much contributed to him not locking down more than one early season sack. But sacks just isn’t the only metric to judge by. If it was his what 35 sacks in like 38 games can’t even be reasonably argued against. I didn’t witness a selfish player. Looked like the opposite to me. He so clearly was a top ten defensive playmaker in 2022. So he massively outplayed his contract. At his age….and after such an absolutely brilliant 2022 season…there is no better leverage and negotiating position a player, especially him, would have been in. Selfish and all you allude to against him would have been the obvious if him forcing a raise…or some contract reworking to reflect his production in 2022. Instead he sucked it up. Heard early on before the 2023 season he understood how much he was underpaid. A blind fan that barely follows the game could easily have understood how underpaid he was. Not just random BS production either. Not grabbing multiple sacks in the fourth quarter of a blowout. Not that fluff stats you ate up with Gainwell racking up in the fourth quarter of the giants blowout victory after their team had completely given up. Reddick made the biggest most important play of our 2022 season. Not even arguable! He crushed Purdy and ended the Niners chances in that NFC Championship game. Our whole 2022 season was destined to be defined by just beating the Cowboys…then beating our only real NFC competition in the Niners. Niners were so clearly the only team that could challenge us and keep us from reaching the SB. I believe we could have won without Reddick’s huge play. Reddick made the crushing sack that eliminated Purdy from having any chance at being effective to stop out SB run. He sacked him…took him out. Wasn’t really a team effort. Wasn’t our whole Dline converting on Purdy. Wasn’t coverage forcing him to hold the ball. Wasn’t some other pass rusher forcing Purdy into Reddick. He single handed provided a lightning fast pass rush and crushing legal blow to Purdy that punched out SB to ticket.

Your first sentence... " in the 2 years"

Last year... 2023... he wasn't that guy.  Forget 2022. That's your issue....you can't get 2022 Reddick out of your mind.  Last year he wasn't that guy.  And the new DC obviously didn't want him. 

14 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He should have held out and forced us to give him a raise. At least forced added incentives. But instead Reddick made like one mention of how he so clearly was massively underpaid then bit his lip last season. I didn’t hear any talks or show of him holding out. Would have been completely understandable with such overwhelming leverage for any player at 29 to force his way to grabbing his huge payday. Most any player would have. Heck business wise it was the clear cut smart move. Instead Reddick sucked it up and played his butt off. Didn’t hear one peep from him about being disgruntled over Rosie hard balling him and ripping him off. Reddick instead did the total opposite of what you accuse of him. He showed how trusting he was in our organization. He wanted to be an Eagles more than anything else. He wasted his massive leverage of having such a dominant playmaking season that was highlighted by the highest of highs delivering us to the SB in our biggest most important victory of our year. 

You are so naive.  

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Your constant witch hunt to blame Hurts and now you so clearly proving your only agenda based opinion by trying to knock Reddick just closed any case of you providing any objective opinions. Get your head out of your butt and just face reality …FOR ONCE! It was Rosie that screwed up and created the situation. So much more than any other individual. 

I need to visit this planet some time.... maybe during a stressful wedding?

But Rosie kept trying to force and convince Gannon to return for 2023. Already had Fangio in place to take over. Already had set things up with great foresight understanding that Gannon was only here as a short term rental. Educated guessing would easily lead a guess that Rosie tried to use his tampering evidence to blackmail Gannon. Rosie laying how how he had the evidence to nail this scandal on Gannon for talking to Zona about his new job. All while disgustingly he was ignoring his duties for us. In the biggest game of his coaching career. In our franchise changing moment. Rosie not just went the blackmail nasty route….no…he didn’t shame Gannon as being distracted and uncovered or properly prepared for the SB. He offered him a raise. Rosie had figured he could offer more pay than the HC gig to retain Gannon some how. All that stupid planning and decisions Rosie made …JUST FOR ONE MORE YEAR RENTAL OF GANNON. We all knew when Siri was hired Gannon was on the fast track to his own HC gig. Totally expected. Went so far as even had brought Fangio in and set the replacement up a year in advance understanding all this.

7 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Your first sentence... " in the 2 years"

Last year... 2023... he wasn't that guy.  Forget 2022. That's your issue....you can't get 2022 Reddick out of your mind.  Last year he wasn't that guy.  And the new DC obviously didn't want him. 

List the players that had more sacks and pressure rate than Reddick’s over the last two seasons? Yes of course I reference the last two seasons. You know…the two seasons Reddick played here for our team. Reddick was absolutely fantastic as an Eagles. Wasn’t just some mercenary either. Reddick chose and wanted tp he an Eagles more than any other team. 

9 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Your first sentence... " in the 2 years"

Last year... 2023... he wasn't that guy.  Forget 2022. That's your issue....you can't get 2022 Reddick out of your mind.  Last year he wasn't that guy.  And the new DC obviously didn't want him. 

No way to honestly know how Reddick and Fangio’s relationship was and would have been. Rosie screwed up last year having Fangio coach Reddick. Which was the number one reason for Reddick not having more dominating stats you are trying to use against him. But we’ll never know. Rosie already had planned on using Reddick and not paying up on him and shipping him out this season instead of coughing up the extra dough to retain him. That decision was already made before 2023 season began…in Rosie’s mind. Fangio would have really faced a huge confrontation with Rosie beating the table to try and change Rosie’s plan. It was speedy decided. Don’t even pass the decision off on Fangio. Rosie would have already been on working out some reasonable agreement with Reddick if he remotely was considering keeping him and extending him. Rosie decision…I’m 2023 offseason…results just appeared on the decision this offseason. 

15 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Your first sentence... " in the 2 years"

Last year... 2023... he wasn't that guy.  Forget 2022. That's your issue....you can't get 2022 Reddick out of your mind.  Last year he wasn't that guy.  And the new DC obviously didn't want him. 

You have to delete the 2022 season Reddick laid forth for our franchise. It was absolutely a brilliant campaign.  The fact you can’t even try to discuss this player that was only here for two seasons by including one if the seasons just shows how pathetic your agenda based sad attempt at reasoning really is.

Reddick’s completely dominated as arguably the second best defender in the league. The fact he made the biggest play in the entire NFL season by single handedly sack injuring Purdy to punch our SB ticket had to be eliminated from any discussion by you trying to downplay Reddicks worth and production. He dominated all season…but not just that…made the biggest play in our biggest season victory!

Anything you can come up with to deflect blame from your agenda of glorifying Rosie. Rosie created our coaching situation all along. Totally his decision to create the whole mess he manifested. He got all butt hurt and screeecaround with his love affair just to rent Gannon one more season after that coach so clearly screwed  us. D would have been better under Fangio than Desai. But even if you play dumb and ignore everything transpiring behind the scenes….he still could have selected in house quality candidate Dennard Wilson. But instead lost him too. Went to lead Ravens Secondary to completely dominate in his one season there before he got his most obvious and deserved own DC job.

But Rosie screwing around with Gannon and losing Fangio while also making a terrible decision losing Dennard also wasn’t the only major obvious flaw in Rosie’s job performance last season. Oh..nope. He screwed up so much more. Only plan for a starting LB was a draft choice that is questioned for durability and couldn’t even grab any playing time his rookie season. Complete disregard for the middle second level of our D. Even if NaKobe panned out…on the most optimistic view…it still was a complete GM botched job in the LB room. His plan was to bring in a guy that was looking into becoming a plumber. That’s how much Jack understood his career was over. 

Or how about the choice to hard ball CGJ? Completely was a cheap player in the overall scheme of NFL players pay. But Rosie just walked away from negotiations and doing what he needed to for Ceedy Duce to be retained. Yes Rosie was correct on reading the market that CGJ wasn’t going to receive a better offer than what Rosie was offering by that point. But Rosie’s ego on being right cost us. We are the ones that suffered, 31st ranked pass D last season. CGJ has the attitude our D lacked and needed so very badly. Botching that deal was bad enough to nail Rosie down so very badly over one of his main issues performing his job. He had to prove how right he was…over getting done what our team needed. Rosie ego comes before the Eagles franchise.

Just so terrible the coaching decisions were handled by Rosie. So terrible the constant obsession to prove he was right cost us the confident S out terrible Secondary needed so barely, 31st pass D! Terrible. His ignoring the whole off ball LB room putting it in the hands of Dean was just fool hearty…even if you try to be optimistic. But in proving how right he was about the CGJ contract he walked away from working out retaining him….just so he could choose to pay Bradberry so much more and over multiple years. In hindsight there isn’t even any debate how bad this was. He paid so much more for an old washed up Bradberry who absolutely stunk. But not just temporary one year rental. We are stuck paying Bradberry holding up our future as well. 

CGJ got injured early last season…who knows how it played out if he still was here. Bradberry stunk terribly. Desai wasn’t horrible…but Rosie still tried to pin things on Desai enacted his plan alll along of turning to Patricia. A plan Rosie needed badly to blame anybody but himself. No off ball LBs. A 31st ranked pass D but you only can look to blame our pass rush. Like it’s possible for any rusher to generate more pressure with zero coverage to force any hesitation for opponents QBs. Heck bad coverage that at least disrupted the receivers at the line would have been preferred to give the pass rush the chance. They didn’t just not cover well….they gave big cushions to not even challenge receivers. Pass rushers were the last ones to place blame on for what occurred last season. 

But you laughed off the Niners stealing Hargrave from us. Record pace sack team we provided in 2022 fell off. You act like you’re shocked and surprised. All along I completely told you and expected the results. Eagles 11 wins ….Niners SB. Not even should come off as me bragging about calling it so much. It was just that obvious. For those of us not trying to spin agendas away from Rosie being anything but brilliant and the greatest. He screwed the whole situation up.

What player has ever produced more than 35 sacks in 38 games in his Eagles career? Oh yes did Reddick have actual just stat production….even with you trying to ignore all other pertinent factors.

48 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

You are so naive.  

Naive is you actually buying into such a clearly manufactured reasoning Rosie felt forced to create surrounding his handling of Hassan Reddick.

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Naive is you actually buying into such a clearly manufactured reasoning Rosie felt forced to create surrounding his handling of Hassan Reddick.

The guy ignored his smart business decision leverage after 2022 just to try and work things out and remain an Eagles. He didn’t gripe and create a media scandal over him being so obviously underpaid. He never demanded a trade…ever. That was all Rosie’s doing. Reddick just wanted to be an Eagles more than anything. Did whatever was asked of him…to trust in our organization repaying his professionalism and loyalty. Even had Rosie flip the D to Patricia so disgustingly…just all to cover up Rosie’s mistakes. I remember Patricia had the brilliance of having our elite pass rusher drop back into coverage. Reddick’s wasn’t stat chasing and being selfish. He was screwing himself for our team. I saw Reddick drop back in pass coverage. It happened. Terrible Gm-ing and coaching created that…but Reddick the player did what he was told. Factually what actually occurred. On tape even.

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4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

At what position and job? Pretty important part of any equation of adding a player. You are fighting and arguing to add him…but can’t even define for what role.

Isn't that WTH we pay Fangio to decide? 15 pages(and counting) of dodging a direct question of which 7 teams we lose to

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4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m actually trying to throw you a bone here on this. I’ve been assuming and we’ve been talking about him as an Edge player. The answer is no for that. But if the discussion is about a rotational pass rushing interior Dline position I could actually be more willing to discuss that. The answer would still be no…but at least more worthy of discussing and considering.

Isn't that what we pay Fangio for??? TO make decisions? Oh I forgot,he needs Ham's approval first,my bad

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4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

If he’s not an option for 2025 and moving forward on a rebuilding team and D then there isn’t much point in discussing him then…not anywhere near at this point especially.

Just clueless

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3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Funny how even the Hurts Hater makes the mistake of referring to the rest of our players as Hurts supporting cast. Very telling of just how forced your agenda has become. 

Every QB has a supporting cast,where ya been?

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3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Still zero acknowledgement over coaching and playcalling

Still zero acknowledgement for which 7 teams we will lose to

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2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I'd love to spend one hour on your planet.   Just for pure entertainment.  

You can check out anytime you want...but you can never leave

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1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

What player has ever produced more than 35 sacks in 38 games in his Eagles career? Oh yes did Reddick have actual just stat production….even with you trying to ignore all other pertinent factors.

We played vs powerhouse O lines the last 2 years?(easy schedule 3 years in a row really). What year did we play many teams with BU QB's or hurt O lines? Maybe his demands were too high to stay?  Maybe he wanted to try something new? Maybe he didn't mesh with the culture? Maybe Fangio didn't want to mess with him at this time? Maybe he didn't fit Fangios schemes? So many factors go into these decisions

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