Just now, eagle45 said:

Howie is clean from the 2015 draft.  That was the year Chip made his power play and Howie was in the back office.  Agholor was a disappointment, but he and Hicks did contribute in the SB year.  Hicks wasn't such a great pick when you consider that many wanted Hunter in the 3rd and that they needed a DE, but he's still pretty good return.

2014...Howie's got blood on his hands for that one.

Hicks got hurt week 7 in the super bowl year. Kendricks played his best football in years when they won the super bowl. So really Hicks only contributed for a couple games and i believe he also missed a game or two before the major injury. Agholor picked a great year to step up and then right after gradually decline back 

2014 i think you can blame howie and chip. I don’t think those picks were exclusively rose man and I’m betting there was internal struggle with a power shift going on with chip 

4 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

It's probably one of the top schools for recent early round success stories.  It's just a laughably bad take.

Honestly question when was the last time we drafted a Ohio state player? It might be Kurt Coleman if i remember correctly 

Watching the live stream of practice one thing to note is that Reagor doesn't have a sling on.  That's a semi positive sign.

Reagor looks good at practice right now. Warm-ups are being live streamed on YouTube. Reagor not practicing of course, but he's stretching his arms like he's okay.

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Hicks got hurt week 7 in the super bowl year. Kendricks played his best football in years when they won the super bowl. So really Hicks only contributed for a couple games and i believe he also missed a game or two before the major injury. Agholor picked a great year to step up and then right after gradually decline back 

2014 i think you can blame howie and chip. I don’t think those picks were exclusively rose man and I’m betting there was internal struggle with a power shift going on with chip 

Marcus Smith was Howie.  The dirty laundry on that one has been aired, IIRC.  Chip didn't want him and made a point of never playing Howie's guy.  

This was the draft of production despite clearly not translating to the NFL.  Smith led NCAA in sacks.  Matthews set the SEC career rec record.  Huff was highly productive at Oregon.  Reynolds won the Tatum trophy and was an all-American.  Hart, obviously, was all Chip.

That entire draft was based on college statistics and resume.  

That's my biggest problem with Howie.  He doesn't know how to approach a draft.  It's different every time.  There is a fine line between adapting and throwing something new at the wall each year.  Howie is on the wrong side of the line.

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Honestly question when was the last time we drafted a Ohio state player? It might be Kurt Coleman if i remember correctly 

Cam Johnston was a UDFA pick up in 2017. But yeah I can't think of anyone else recently. 

8 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/doug-pederson-jason-peters-staying-right-guard-matt-pryor-headed-left

This is an absolute disgrace and total negligence on the part of the Eagles if this winds up being the case. I hope this is them playing hardball.

What do you want them to do if Peters told them he wants $10M to play LT, and another year added onto his deal?

16 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The draft that absolutely is killer over the last 5 years is 2015. We have no one left from that draft contributing at all. Top 3 picks are all elsewhere. 2014 isn’t much better as no one is on the roster and really beau allen is the only lock to make a roster on any team from that draft. Those two drafts look brutal right now. Not that they were Howe’s fault. Just in terms of how it effects the eagles right now 

Agreed.  We are seeing the impact of 14/15.  No home-grown 28/29-year-olds on the team.  Nothing between Wentz and the 30+ guys.  It really puts a lot of stress on roster construction.

16 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Marcus Smith was Howie.  The dirty laundry on that one has been aired, IIRC.  Chip didn't want him and made a point of never playing Howie's guy.  

This was the draft of production despite clearly not translating to the NFL.  Smith led NCAA in sacks.  Matthews set the SEC career rec record.  Huff was highly productive at Oregon.  Reynolds won the Tatum trophy and was an all-American.  Hart, obviously, was all Chip.

That entire draft was based on college statistics and resume.  

That's my biggest problem with Howie.  He doesn't know how to approach a draft.  It's different every time.  There is a fine line between adapting and not knowing how to do it.

I’d argue huff was a chip pick. He was an Oregon product and type of wr he liked for his offense. I also believe there’s a quote from chip about calling Louisville’s coach talking to him about smith before they selected him and the coach signed off and he was ok with it. Do I think howie had a hand in those picks? Yes i do. I think the Matthews one screams more of howie. Marcus smith i think was brought on by howie wanting to trade back. Not so so sure the selection itself was just howie though. 

25 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Personally, I think the tea leaves suggest they have already given up on Mailata.  I also have zero confidence in him to perform at an NFL level, even for a backup.  I love the lottery ticket in round 7, don't get me wrong.  But he never played football in his life, came to Philly...and then never played football here.  He's gotten some training camp work in, then spent all his football seasons either not dressing or on IR not even practicing.  Half of TATE has probably played more football than this guy.  Kids who went to D1 schools as athletic marvels without having played football the same year Mailata crossed the ocean are draft-eligible true football players by now.  He just didn't get the work in.  This is the epitome of someone who needed NFL Europe.

If there is still something there though...I'd much rather see Mailata at LT than Pryor.  Aside from the whole enticing/athleticism/upside thing, Mailata at least has the specs to be a LT.  Pryor may have had both G/T experience at TCU, but everyone knew he was an NFL interior lineman.  LT is no place for him.  And he actually has some upside as a RG, where we'll almost certainly need someone to take extended snaps when Peters pulls himself out of games.

All the pieces fit so much better if Mailata can get by as the LT.  And the fact that he's taking RT snaps as a Lane placeholder while Pryor gets obliterated as the LT should tell you all you need to know about their plans for Mailata.

 

This is very reasonable. I expect more of Mailata than you do but I acknowledge that I may be badly mistaken. Even so, my strong preference is to keep the other four guys where they've been working all through TC and spoon-feed Mailata. Give him about four things to do and incorporate them into the game plan. A lot of teams, if they want to take a deep shot, keep seven guys in to block and run two-man patterns, so give him help. He still has a chance to be a monster, IMHO, given time, and if there ever was a season ideal for giving him that time, it is this one.

1 hour ago, Asg 15 said:

I really hope you're right but we were told DJAX was week to week last year.  I guess as long as he can't hurt himself any worse surgery can wait. But then it could drag into next season of the recovery is really that long.

It's not funny (it's just ridiculous), but we heard this same exact statement week after week while Desean was recovering last year (which is why I believe he decided not to get the surgery at first).  Then he comes back, runs 2 routes, and his muscle tears completely off of the bone.  I will never believe anything this team ever communicates about injuries.  We get better information on this blog.  

14 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Honestly question when was the last time we drafted a Ohio state player? It might be Kurt Coleman if i remember correctly 

I never really thought about it until you mentioned so i had to look it up. Brian Rolle, who I barely remember playing here. 

8 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

What do you want them to do if Peters told them he wants $10M to play LT, and another year added onto his deal?

Hard to talk weigh pros and cons until we get definitive reporting on what Peters wants. But I do know whatever it is, is better than the alternative which is your franchise QB getting hurt once again.

What are we looking for at LT?  Someone as good as Vatai in 2017? 

IIRC, he was adequate and received a bunch of support within the scheme.

Remember, he was successfully bull rushed on long TD to Jeffrey in the NFCCG and missed his assignment on the 4th down conversion to Ertz in the SB.

If the other four guys are able to play well, there is plenty of room in the scheme to support a LT learning on the job.

 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

No, we want you to use the English language correctly. Along with making coherent thoughts more than once a day. 

Link?  

The Eagles drafts from 2014 on have been atrocious... the second best player since then may be Vaitai. 

1 minute ago, justrelax said:

This is very reasonable. I expect more of Mailata than you do but I acknowledge that I may be badly mistaken. Even so, my strong preference is to keep the other four guys where they've been working all through TC and spoon-feed Mailata. Give him about four things to do and incorporate them into the game plan. A lot of teams, if they want to take a deep shot, keep seven guys in to block and run two-man patterns, so give him help. He still has a chance to be a monster, IMHO, given time, and if there ever was a season ideal for giving him that time, it is this one.

My low expectations for Mailata are entirely rooted in speculation based on how the Eagles are stacking their chess board.  It's nothing that I've seen from him that is terribly disheartening.  But no matter how talented he is, he needs to play football, especially given that he's learning one of the more technically nuanced positions on the field. 

Like you said, spoon feed him.  But playing him at RT if they actually intend to give him a shot at LT is not consistent with that.  

I love taking that kind of lottery ticket in round 7 though.  

Just now, Sack that QB said:

Hard to talk weigh pros and cons until we get definitive reporting on what Peters wants.

We may never know.  Logically we can assume the Eagles would have asked him to move, rather than give the starting job to a guy who’s never played the position in an NFL game.  Logically we can assume Peters did not agree outright, because he’s not there at the moment.

If they come to an agreement it’ll get reported as a restructuring and Peters will move over and it will be known to everybody.  If he’s asking for too much he will play RG

Just now, EaglePhan1986 said:

The Eagles drafts from 2014 on have been atrocious... the second best player since then may be Vaitai. 

Miles sanders and seumalo disagree with that statement about second best 

35 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t blame you whatsoever. If reiff was released I’d have gone after him. I know peters is eventually going to leave a game or games and need to replace him. Reiff i think at his age is more likely to be out there all 16 games then peters. Add on when peters leaves LT likely shuffling the oline in two spots to move pryor to LT and someone in at RG. It’s why I’m still for signing cordy Glenn to be the back up

as for the young guys it’s not about not having faith in them. It’s about we are in a pandemic year where rookies and young guys had no OTAs and no mini camps. They had training camp and no preseason games to see where they are at against other competition. That’s not a normal year. In a normal year i have a better ability to gauge against other competition where they are and how far along they are. We don’t have that. That’s not against stoutland. It’s the times we are living in puts younger players and rookies at a disadvantage and I’m not overly thrilled about throwing young guys out into the fire And just blindly hoping stoutland did enough during this pandemic with our QB who’s had injuries 

Well said

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Miles sanders and seumalo disagree with that statement about second best 

I would argue that Vaitai has been more important to this team than Seumalo.  

23 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Howie is clean from the 2015 draft.  That was the year Chip made his power play and Howie was in the back office.  Agholor was a disappointment, but he and Hicks did contribute in the SB year.  Hicks wasn't such a great pick when you consider that many wanted Hunter in the 3rd and that they needed a DE, but he's still pretty good return.  Really bad draft overall though.

2014...Howie's got blood on his hands for that one.  

How is "many wanted" relevant here? Hicks was/is a very good player and great 3rd round pick. 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I would argue that Vaitai has been more important to this team than Seumalo.  

Well since seumalo is know going into year three as a starter I’m guessing the eagles would disagree with you. Was vaitai more important to the super bowl run? Yes. However long term I’m guessing the eagles would tel you seumalo was more important for the next decade 

Just now, Saltpeter said:

How is "many wanted" relevant here? Hicks was/is a very good player and great 3rd round pick. 

The other players available at the time are always relevant.  It's important to look back at what you are missing.

Drafting a stud amongst busts, bust amongst busts, good player amongst great ones, stud amongst a can't miss group etc.  

4 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

The Eagles drafts from 2014 on have been atrocious... the second best player since then may be Vaitai. 

That's a bit of overkill. 2018 was pretty good considering the limited picks and where they were taken.