EMB Blog: 2020 Training Camp

[Green Dog]

Uh oh, guys.  The Peters debate might be over.

Maurice Jones Drew just said, Yes, he deserves more money to play LT.  Quoting 'Uncle Prime', "If you want me out on that island, you need to pay me.  And imma need a house, and cars, and furniture too."

[greend]

3 hours ago, BigEFly said:

In practice they don’t give help.  Do the beat reporters tweet that the the DE was blocked by the T?  No.  Do they tweet Shareef Miller plays the run which hasn’t been strong for Avery or Toohill?  No, but one mentions it when they rank improvement at the end of camp.  OL must have some success because of all the long TD throws reported.  

Sure I mean the d.e.s have to rest at some point. 

[RLC]

Reagor's injury routinely doesn't get surgery in the NFL. From that perspective, we're following concensus. However, with our medical staff's history...

[Utebird]

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

To this day the Gocong draft pick drives me crazy.  I still think if the Steelers or Ravens drafted him he would have been a Pro Bowl OLB in a 3-4.  The guy was wired ad built to rush the passer in the 3-4 and the Eagles drafted him to cover tight ends.  What the heck were they thinking.  Then there's the Patriots game where he was put in a position to rush the passer and he played like we all thought he could.

Yup when gocong went to cleveland and played in a 34 they moved him all over outside inside and he played really well until getting hurt. Made zero sense to have him as a LB in a 43 like you say covering TEs and RBs. Stupid stuff😒

[Ace Nova]

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

Agree with what you're saying, however I think Kamara is a serious offensive weapon, not just a running back.  His salary should be interesting to see.  Joe Mixon got what, $48 million for 4 years?  How do he and Kamara compare on a production level?

I’m not saying he isn’t worth that.  I’m saying he might not be worth that AND a 1st round pick (or possibly more).    But if a team thinks it will get them over the top...who knows.

[Utebird]

2 hours ago, Green Dog said:

https://www.si.com/.amp/extra-mustard/2020/08/31/fox-nfl-broadcasting-teams-2020

 

Thought Robert Smith went to medical school? Guess the booth pays more than what malpractice insurance cost?

[HazletonEagle]

13 minutes ago, RLC said:

Reagor's injury routinely doesn't get surgery in the NFL. From that perspective, we're following concensus. However, with our medical staff's history...

Cant really say that. We dont know exactly what Reagor's injury is. Labrum tear tells a small part of the story. 

If the labrum is a cup, and he just scratched  the concave part of the cup, those go unrepaired all the time and he may never have symptoms.

Youd probbaly get this injury with a fall landing on your elbow or hand to brace yourself where your shoulder is jammed. Not quite the mechanism Reagor had. This would usually result in a SLAP tear.  Stands for Superior Labrum Anterior to Posterior which describes the tear. These can cause some painful sensations of "Catching" in the shoulder if there is a flap of labrum dangling in the joint that catches as the ball rolls around in the socket. If theres not a big flap, sometimes this can feel better with a steroid injection.

Unlikely to be his type of labral tear. We would be really lucky.

 

But with a shoulder dislocation the injury often has the head of the humerous (the ball of the ball and socket joint) chipping the edge of the cup (labrum/socket of the ball and socket joint) away as it slides past it. 

With that ledge chipped away its no longer like a cup holding the humerus in place. It can continue to slide out easily. Whats worse is that each time it happens there is a high likelihood of it taking more of the labrum off making the tear worse and worse.  This is known as a Bankart lesion. 

This is more often repaired because you know theres a strong chance the injury will keep recurring and worsening. When you are missing the ledge of the cup the bone can easily slide out of place over and over again.

 

Taking it a step further, there is the Bony Bankart lesion. If the labrum is a cup chape, it sits inside the glenoid fossa which is the cup shaped part of the bone that the head of the humerus sits in. Instead of just chipping some labrum off, it also chips part of the bone away. Often times this also involves the attachment of one of the bicep tendons as well. This is pretty much always immediately repaired. The surgeon has to re-build the cup shape of the bone which is done by harvesting a bone graft most commonly from your hip bone and fusing it to the shoulder. You want the surgeon to have a nice canvas to work with on these. If the bone is really boogered up its a tough surgery with worse outcomes. A surgeon especially hates to have to do a revision surgery on this (where you have the same injury twice and he needs to try to rebuild it a second time). 

 

 

From the sounds of the injury, it sounds most likely that Reagor has the Bankart lesion. Not the best case scenaio. Not the worst case scenario.

[Allhaildawk]

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

A 30 year old Latavius Murray is almost making that. If teams aren't willing to fork out a little more for a 25 year old guy, there's issues

Yeah here’s the issue- you can get him for half that the next day

Stick a fork in the flyers 

[RLC]

4 minutes ago, Allhaildawk said:

Stick a fork in the flyers 

They've been the better team tonight and got a brutal call against them for a call and still haven't received a proper power play. 

[uncphillyfan]

Who started at lt today in practice?

[Allhaildawk]

1 minute ago, RLC said:

They've been the better team tonight and got a brutal call against them for a call and still haven't received a proper power play. 

Challenge rule being a penalty is a back breaker. Ridiculous rule in my book

[ToastJenkins]

27 minutes ago, RLC said:

They've been the better team tonight and got a brutal call against them for a call and still haven't received a proper power play. 

Man we could have used a break on that replay

[RLC]

1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:

Man we could have used a break on that replay

The Islanders were the better team through 3 games. The Flyers have been better the past 2. The bounces haven't gone their way and they're still fighting. This is good news for the core moving forward. The Sixers quit. The Flyers haven't.

[Green Dog]

59 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Cant really say that. We dont know exactly what Reagor's injury is. Labrum tear tells a small part of the story. 

If the labrum is a cup, and he just scratched  the concave part of the cup, those go unrepaired all the time and he may never have symptoms.

Youd probbaly get this injury with a fall landing on your elbow or hand to brace yourself where your shoulder is jammed. Not quite the mechanism Reagor had. This would usually result in a SLAP tear.  Stands for Superior Labrum Anterior to Posterior which describes the tear. These can cause some painful sensations of "Catching" in the shoulder if there is a flap of labrum dangling in the joint that catches as the ball rolls around in the socket. If theres not a big flap, sometimes this can feel better with a steroid injection.

Unlikely to be his type of labral tear. We would be really lucky.

 

But with a shoulder dislocation the injury often has the head of the humerous (the ball of the ball and socket joint) chipping the edge of the cup (labrum/socket of the ball and socket joint) away as it slides past it. 

With that ledge chipped away its no longer like a cup holding the humerus in place. It can continue to slide out easily. Whats worse is that each time it happens there is a high likelihood of it taking more of the labrum off making the tear worse and worse.  This is known as a Bankart lesion. 

This is more often repaired because you know theres a strong chance the injury will keep recurring and worsening. When you are missing the ledge of the cup the bone can easily slide out of place over and over again.

 

Taking it a step further, there is the Bony Bankart lesion. If the labrum is a cup chape, it sits inside the glenoid fossa which is the cup shaped part of the bone that the head of the humerus sits in. Instead of just chipping some labrum off, it also chips part of the bone away. Often times this also involves the attachment of one of the bicep tendons as well. This is pretty much always immediately repaired. The surgeon has to re-build the cup shape of the bone which is done by harvesting a bone graft most commonly from your hip bone and fusing it to the shoulder. You want the surgeon to have a nice canvas to work with on these. If the bone is really boogered up its a tough surgery with worse outcomes. A surgeon especially hates to have to do a revision surgery on this (where you have the same injury twice and he needs to try to rebuild it a second time). 

 

 

From the sounds of the injury, it sounds most likely that Reagor has the Bankart lesion. Not the best case scenaio. Not the worst case scenario.

The shoulder brace he will wear is designed specifically to prevent the humerus from easily sliding out again, yes?

[HazletonEagle]

25 minutes ago, Green Dog said:

The shoulder brace he will wear is designed specifically to prevent the humerus from easily sliding out again, yes?

A shoulder stabilize brace is designed to limit the range of motion to keep the arm from moving in to its most vulnerable position where dislocations most commonly occur.

Its common for footbal players to play in the brace above. Probably not a WR though.  You can see how limiting that is. You literally can not lift your arm further than what is pictured.  

When I was at Bucknell we had a LB wearing that and his shoulder still wouldn't stay in. There no brace that can really do the job as well as the internal structures.

 

A WR would likely have to wear something much less protective that allows more motion.  Such as a shoulder Spica wrap with a large ACE bandage as pictured below.  They're doing it wrong in the picture and pulling the shoulder forward.  Should be going the opposite way and pulling posterior across the front of the shoulder,  but you get the idea.

And this will be really minimally effective either way. 

 

 

 

[MediterraneanDiet]

Flyers not giving up.  Phils line up is mashing.  I was really down on Hoskins, but looks like the new hitting coach is paying dividends from 1-9.

 

[MediterraneanDiet]

Hoping Fkyers can hold on here...

[Allhaildawk]

Are you Fing kidding me

[MediterraneanDiet]

Nope

[Allhaildawk]

12 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

A shoulder stabilize brace is designed to limit the range of motion to keep the arm from moving in to its most vulnerable position where dislocations most commonly occur.

Its common for footbal players to play in the brace above. Probably not a WR though.  You can see how limiting that is. You literally can not lift your arm further than what is pictured.  

When I was at Bucknell we had a LB wearing that and his shoulder still wouldn't stay in. There no brace that can really do the job as well as the internal structures.

 

A WR would likely have to wear something much less protective that allows more motion.  Such as a shoulder Spica wrap with a large ACE bandage as pictured below.  They're doing it wrong in the picture and pulling the shoulder forward.  Should be going the opposite way and pulling posterior across the front of the shoulder,  but you get the idea.

And this will be really minimally effective either way. 

 

 

 

So at this point, why not just do the surgery and take a redshirt year, no?

[ToastJenkins]

Dammit Flyers

[Allhaildawk]

Just now, ToastJenkins said:

Dammit Flyers

Unreal. Could feel it coming too

[MediterraneanDiet]

OT win #2 coming up!

[LeanMeanGM]

1 hour ago, Allhaildawk said:

Yeah here’s the issue- you can get him for half that the next day

Stick a fork in the flyers 

Yea, that’s my point. Between his attitude, talent and play style he isn’t worth that much. There were a lot of people in her clamoring for him yesterday saying $4M is a steal 

[EaglePhan1986]

God Fing damn it flyers