1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Well since seumalo is know going into year three as a starter I’m guessing the eagles would disagree with you. Was vaitai more important to the super bowl run? Yes. However long term I’m guessing the eagles would tel you seumalo was more important for the next decade 

Yes Vatai was more important 2017, not a better player. 

3 minutes ago, greend said:

Well said

Also I like mailata but he might be two years away from just being competent enough to start at left tackle. That’s not even saying he’s good. Just competent. I’m not putting a guy out there with my quarterback that’s already had injuries over the course of his career and just hoping he pans out with more reps. That is how your quarterback gets hit and gets hurt and then you have a whole other problem. I don’t need Chase Young week one giving Carson Wentz another concussion due to a guy who shouldn’t have been asked to be out there. Especially not during a pandemic year where he’s missed otas, mini camps and preseason. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Well since seumalo is know going into year three as a starter I’m guessing the eagles would disagree with you. Was vaitai more important to the super bowl run? Yes. However long term I’m guessing the eagles would tel you seumalo was more important for the next decade 

I think Seumalo (under normal circumstances when the rest of the OL around him is not injured) is easily replaceable.  Vaitai had some memorable down moments, but he really stepped up as the LT, regardless of what extra help he may have had.

I bet the Eagles would give some serious thought on trading Seumalo for Vaitai in 2020 right about now.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Well since seumalo is know going into year three as a starter I’m guessing the eagles would disagree with you. Was vaitai more important to the super bowl run? Yes. However long term I’m guessing the eagles would tel you seumalo was more important for the next decade 

Seumalo is nothing special. He’s a good run blocker but he has multiple games every year where he’s getting killed by skilled pass rushers inside. His biggest asset is he could play center or even tackle in an emergency situation. 
 

I’d be Extremely shocked if he’s on the team for the next decade. 

One thing to keep in mind with Mailata is that he is a very young 23 as of March.  He's almost 2 years younger than Dillard.  Baldy sucked me in with the hype after his rookie year and then it died off once he got hurt.  One thing is we have no idea how he is going to react to game action.  He for the most part dominated against the Jets backups in his last actual game.  Maybe baptism by fire is the way to go.  You can't hone your instincts if you aren't given the chance to and life action is the only way to do that.  None of us have seen him line up since then.  

He's an elite athlete.  You want elite athletes at any position.  There are no questions with him getting stronger like we have with Dillard.  It's all mental for him and how he learns the game.  

The more we talk about it the more I wouldn't mind seeing Mailata with help when needed.  If he doesn't improve then you talk to JP and have him bump out.  We will never know until he straps it up under live NFL action.

 

Just now, eagle45 said:

I think Seumalo (under normal circumstances when the rest of the OL around him is not injured) is easily replaceable.  Vaitai had some memorable down moments, but he really stepped up as the LT, regardless of what extra help he may have had.

I bet the Eagles would give some serious thought on trading Seumalo for Vaitai in 2020 right about now.

Doubtful with the contract vaitai got and how seumalo is on a bargain and is actually better than league average at lg. Vaitai had moments where he was great for us. He also had moments where he looked miserable. And now he’s making big money. 

and I disagree that he’s easily replaceable. You’re playing in a league that is struggling to find average offensive linemen. He is an above average left guard. The fact that people still think he’s a below average left guard is ridiculous. He has a bad game once or twice a year then plays well the rest of the time. Meanwhile last year lane had like 2-3 bad starts. Go watch some of the teams around the NFL and watch the offensive lineman they are worse than seumalo

OK, just for fun then, take your pick:

Pryor/Seumalo/Kelce/Peters/Johnson

Vaitai/Pryor/Kelce/Peters/Johnson

Oh just knock if off. 

Play Mad Max. Thank me later.  Peters "was" one of the best LT's to ever play the game. He's not a LT anymore. He shouldn't have been the LT in 2019. 

Anybody got the feed? Are they going to give him snaps on the Left side today? I would think they would this week. If he gets annihilated, so be it.

1 minute ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Seumalo is nothing special. He’s a good run blocker but he has multiple games every year where he’s getting killed by skilled pass rushers inside. His biggest asset is he could play center or even tackle in an emergency situation. 
 

I’d be Extremely shocked if he’s on the team for the next decade. 

He’s already been on the team going into year 5. He only has 5 more to go. So he’s gonna be close to a decade  I’m guessing here at least 2 maybe 3 more years. especially since he’s a bargain at the price they are paying him. 

Just now, eagle45 said:

OK, just for fun then, take your pick:

Pryor/Seumalo/Kelce/Peters/Johnson

Vaitai/Pryor/Kelce/Peters/Johnson

Peters/Seumalo/Kelce/Pryor/Johnson is my pick. What do I win?

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

OK, just for fun then, take your pick:

Pryor/Seumalo/Kelce/Peters/Johnson

Vaitai/Pryor/Kelce/Peters/Johnson

Peters/seumalo/kelce/pryor/Johnson 

and way to not factor in the $10 million vaitai is making this year

12 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

We may never know.  Logically we can assume the Eagles would have asked him to move, rather than give the starting job to a guy who’s never played the position in an NFL game.  Logically we can assume Peters did not agree outright, because he’s not there at the moment.

If they come to an agreement it’ll get reported as a restructuring and Peters will move over and it will be known to everybody.  If he’s asking for too much he will play RG

How do you think Wentz, the most important player on the team, will feel if starting week 1 Pryor is protecting his blindside after making Sweat look like Lawrence Taylor in practices? 

Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and do what is best for the team. If Pryor sucks at left tackle and it gets Wentz hurt or costs the team a couple games, everyone will universally look back and agree they should have come to an agreement.

It’s easy to say otherwise now when we aren’t seeing the effects of it live in game.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Doubtful with the contract vaitai got and how seumalo is on a bargain and is actually better than league average at lg. Vaitai had moments where he was great for us. He also had moments where he looked miserable. And now he’s making big money. 

and I disagree that he’s easily replaceable. You’re playing in a league that is struggling to find average offensive linemen. He is an above average left guard. The fact that people still think he’s a below average left guard is ridiculous. He has a bad game once or twice a year then plays well the rest of the time. Meanwhile last year lane had like 2-3 bad starts. Go watch some of the teams around the NFL and watch the offensive lineman they are worse than seumalo

Well if you want to bring contracts into it, Vaitai is on 5 years $50m while Seumalo is 3&15.9.  Different positions, but that's a big difference.  

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

OK, just for fun then, take your pick:

Pryor/Seumalo/Kelce/Peters/Johnson

Vaitai/Pryor/Kelce/Peters/Johnson

2 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Peters/seumalo/kelce/pryor/Johnson 

and way to not factor in the $10 million vaitai is making this year

I'm not factoring it in at all.  That would matter if I argued they should have kept Vaitai, which would have been crazy.  We are talking about who was the better draft pick.

2 minutes ago, greend said:

Peters/Seumalo/Kelce/Pryor/Johnson is my pick. What do I win?

 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Peters/seumalo/kelce/pryor/Johnson 

and way to not factor in the $10 million vaitai is making this year

*points*

What those guys said.

2 minutes ago, greend said:

Peters/Seumalo/Kelce/Pryor/Johnson is my pick. What do I win?

Howie is gonna venmo you for however many extra million Peters wants.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Well if you want to bring contracts into it, Vaitai is on 5 years $50m while Seumalo is 3&15.9.  Different positions, but that's a big difference.  

Yeah if i had to pay vaitai 10 million per year no thanks I’m not paying vaitai 10 mil to play LT. I think the lions will see that was ridiculous.  That 10 mil we aren’t paying vaitai went to Darius slay And other additions. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah if i had to pay vaitai 10 million per year no thanks I’m not paying vaitai 10 mil to play LT. I think the lions will see that was ridiculous.  That 10 mil we aren’t paying vaitai went to Darius slay And other additions. 

Well, they did and the market has spoken.  But obviously we should not have given that to Vaitai.  

Just now, eagle45 said:

Howie is gonna venmo you for however many extra million Peters wants.

And peters is still going to make less money than vaitai and when on the field still better 

1 hour ago, greend said:

And Mailata should know his weaknesses as well. Kinda evens out and since Peters is here and we have a decent idea of what he can do why not do it and let your t.e. be a weapon. (although I highly doubt even if both the t.e. and the running back help that Mailata would be good enough at this point.)

In practice they don’t give help.  Do the beat reporters tweet that the the DE was blocked by the T?  No.  Do they tweet Shareef Miller plays the run which hasn’t been strong for Avery or Toohill?  No, but one mentions it when they rank improvement at the end of camp.  OL must have some success because of all the long TD throws reported.  

Just now, eagle45 said:

Well, they did and the market has spoken.

And that’s why the Lions have continued to not win anything over the last five decades 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

And peters is still going to make less money than vaitai and when on the field still better 

 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

 

And vaitai has never started a full 16 game season. So there’s that too

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I'm not factoring it in at all.  That would matter if I argued they should have kept Vaitai, which would have been crazy.  We are talking about who was the better draft pick.

We'll see. 

Seumalo has established himself as an above average starter at a second-tier position.  He provided value on every snap.

To date, Vatai has shown to be a capable backup at a premier position.  Yet he only provided value in the event of an injury.  He was much less valuable in '18 and '19 only because of circumstance.  If he shows to be a capable starter at tackle, then yes, we was a better pick, being two rounds later.

Both were good picks.