6 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

I don't see anybody arguing that Iran is, on the whole, better off now than before we attacked them. That's a silly strawman.

But claiming "regime change" is also overstated. The heir apparent, who's worse in the ways that matter, has stepped into the role of Ayatollah. And historically attacks like this have opened the door not for reform, but for hard-liners to exercise greater control.

It's easy to bomb the hell out of a country. But fostering reform is something we've been very unsuccessful at. And this administration in particular will not have the patience or fortitude to make it work.

Of course this is from a guy arguing that expensive shipping insurance during a hot war is the cause of the Strait being closed.

They may not be better off, but they definitely have more leverage on the world's stage. Trump's F up gave them a massive opening and they took advantage of it.

2 hours ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Of all the hilarious things that have happened on this board over the years, and there have been many, diehard claiming (and then doubling down on his claim) that insurance companies closed the strait of Hormuz is easily top 5, maybe top 3 moment.

I was thinking along the same lines.

6 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

They may not be better off, but they definitely have more leverage on the world's stage. Trump's F up gave them a massive opening and they took advantage of it.

They will have taken a massive step back operationally but they may emerge with a huge strategic advantage depending on how this pans out.

27 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

He posted Iran is better by every metric. His words.

His POV is that they no longer have nuclear restraints since Trump tore up the agreement and can now charge a toll for ships to pass through the strait, thus enriching them.

Neither of those two things are debatable.

Hey @Diehardfan, remember when you posted this dumb bullsheet

54 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Just like the mentally ill in here

and then I said this

44 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Remember when Tom Cotton and 46 other Republican Senators wrote a letter to Iranian leadership and told them they wouldn’t honor our end of a deal that kept Iran from getting a nuke?

and then you didn't say sheet because you realized how F'ing stupid and embarrassing that tweet was? That was awesome.

5 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Hey @Diehardfan, remember when you posted this dumb bullsheet

and then I said this

and then you didn't say sheet because you realized how F'ing stupid and embarrassing that tweet was? That was awesome.

Sandy vag triggered by truth

8 minutes ago, paco said:

His POV is that they no longer have nuclear restraints since Trump tore up the agreement and can now charge a toll for ships to pass through the strait, thus enriching them.

Neither of those two things are debatable.

You guys are bending to justify that BS 🤣 Your brains are cooked

32 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

@JohnSnowsHair

🤣

first of all, saying they're in a better position is not the same as saying they're better off. currently they have a ton of leverage because they are blocking commerce through the Strait and are holding the world hostage because of it. so, yeah, they're better off in terms of their ability to leverage their situation when trying to negotiate what comes next.

second of all, the terms that have been floated by this administration are the same or worse than what they were under Obama's negotiated deal. so.... yeah, you still lose.

going on and on for pages about this one statement is big time loser energy.. you're ignoring getting your ass handed to you every day so you can act like you're correct by completely misinterpreting the point gannan was making.

finally, I don't even know why I'm responding. slow day at work. later loser.

Just now, JohnSnowsHair said:

first of all, saying they're in a better position is not the same as saying they're better off. currently they have a ton of leverage because they are blocking commerce through the Strait and are holding the world hostage because of it. so, yeah, they're better off in terms of their ability to leverage their situation when trying to negotiate what comes next.

second of all, the terms that have been floated by this administration are the same or worse than what they were under Obama's negotiated deal. so.... yeah, you still lose.

going on and on for pages about this one statement is big time loser energy.. you're ignoring getting your ass handed to you every day so you can act like you're correct by completely misinterpreting the point gannan was making.

finally, I don't even know why I'm responding. slow day at work. later loser.

You are literally insane. Holy f 😂 This is why mental institutions are needed again. The flock mentality of you all is so hilarious and scary to watch at the same time. Seriously, you people need to be locked up in padded rooms.

Iran is better by every metric gets defended

7 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Sandy vag triggered by truth

1 hour ago, VanHammersly said:

Remember when Tom Cotton and 46 other Republican Senators wrote a letter to Iranian leadership and told them they wouldn’t honor our end of a deal that kept Iran from getting a nuke?

Just now, VanHammersly said:

Not even close. But I'm honestly realizing today just how mentally cooked you all are.

We need boxes of these for you lunatics 🤣

Just now, Diehardfan said:

Not even close. But I'm honestly realizing today just how mentally cooked you all are.

We need boxes of these for you lunatics 🤣

The old "everyone's crazy but me!" defense. Works every time.

4 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

The old "everyone's crazy but me!" defense. Works every time.

No it just hit me today I'm posting in a herd of mentally cooked crazy people. Holy crap 🤣

1 hour ago, Diehardfan said:

I'm right. Facts don't care if you all accept it. Three fact checked sources of Google, GPT, and Grok agree with me on the events. Like I say you all are constantly thinking up is down left is right Iran is better by every metric. I'd love to know where you put the metrics comment on your list.

Sailor: Captain Diehard, we are supposed to move this oil tanker through the Strait of Hormuz, but the IRGC is saying they’ll bomb us if we try to navigate through the Strait. What should we do?

Captain Diehard: Well let me ask you one question son, is this vessel currently insured?

Sailor: I guess so.

Captain Diehard: Then full steam ahead boys!

Sailor: But sir, we could get killed…

Captain Diehard: Full…Steam…Ahead. If we die, then we die. But at least we’ll all die knowing that the company who owns this tanker will be reimbursed for their damages.

Just now, Diehardfan said:

No it just hit me today I'm in a herd of mentally cooked crazy people. Holy crap 🤣

So after spending 3 days in a row posting every 10 minutes that the Strait was closed because of State Farm and not the hostile country striking ships that passed through it you realized everyone was crazy but you? Sounds legit.

2 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Sailor: Captain Diehard, we are supposed to move this oil tanker through the Strait of Hormuz, but the IRGC is saying they’ll bomb us if we try to navigate through the Strait. What should we do?

Captain Diehard: Well let me ask you one question son, is this vessel currently insured?

Sailor: I guess so.

Captain Diehard: Then full steam ahead boys!

Sailor: But sir, we could get killed…

Captain Diehard: Full…Steam…Ahead. If we die, then we die. But at least we’ll all die knowing that the company who owns this tanker will be reimbursed for their damages.

I love you wasted so much time typing out that BS

1 minute ago, VanHammersly said:

So after spending 3 days in a row posting every 10 minutes that the Strait was closed because of State Farm and not the hostile country striking ships that passed through it you realized everyone was crazy but you? Sounds legit.

More like I read the defense of Iran is better by ever metric BS and said damn these people are a herd of whack jobs. Yes, I am the only mentally sane one posting in here today.

Just now, Diehardfan said:

I love you wasted so much time typing out that BS

lol yeah the 60 seconds it took me to write this while on the can…oh how will I ever get that time back.

This thread makes my head hurt! Here's a time line for you. June 2025 we heard the words obliterated their nuclear capabilities.

@Diehardfan just can't admit he was lied to. We wouldn't be here now if we obliterated their nuclear capabilities.

Your President is an unstable failing human being, Wake up!

Just now, Diehardfan said:

More like I read the defense of Iran is better by ever metric BS and said damn these people are a herd of whack jobs

So it wasn't the insanely retarded sheet you were posting that led you to believe everyone's crazy but you? Interesting.

Just now, VanHammersly said:

So it wasn't the insanely retarded sheet you were posting that led you to believe everyone's crazy but you? Interesting.

No. Get medicated or institutionalized. Together.

15 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

No. Get medicated or institutionalized. Together.

You voted for a failed businessman, rapist, pedo, lunatic. Congrats

1 hour ago, Diehardfan said:

He posted Iran is better by every metric. His words.

In a better position, which they are. The United States went from "We won" to begging for any deal they can get.

22 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

No. Get medicated or institutionalized. Together.