6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

https://x.com/greengoblin/status/1899870581715067381

 

Howie playing hardball

 

@VaBeach_Eagle this one was acting up

 

It embedded for me, did you go to the 'share' link and copy that from there or did you get the URL from the address bar and use that?

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

You don’t care until you get the 2026 and 2027 and we lose some of those guys. Then you are complaining we don’t have them or why we didn’t lock those guys up over lesser guys.

The Eagles are making a plan so they could be Super Bowl contenders for 5 to 6 years by maneuvering and being smart with their money. Meanwhile, you wanna just go all in on 2025 because you don’t care what happens in 2026 and 2027. I’m guessing that’s a BS answer because if we did what you wanted to do (didn’t win back to back) and we got the 2026 and 2027 and they fall off a cliff you’re gonna be one on here comparing about why did they have this downfall and lose some core guys. I guarantee it 

also, Dallas goedert hasn’t been traded yet. You wonder why he hasn’t been traded yet? Because that contract is really hard to maneuver and trade because they don’t obviously want to take a $9.9 million cat pit along with the dead money. So that trade is going to be super complicated. It’s why he’s still here. Frankly I think they would’ve got that trade earlier if it cleared cap and wasn’t a complicated contract

furthermore, they’re not gonna be able to plug in all the holes. You have to hope that the passing offense isn’t gonna be ranked 30th next year. Because if the pass offense winds up being top 10 that’s a drastic improvement and gonna help up for some of your decline on defense.The defense was very unlikely to be back to back years number one defense. They were always going to have some sort of regression. Especially knowing sweat and Williams were leaving and Dean was out for most of the year in 2025 (frankly Burks might just turn back into a pumpkin in Cincinnati). Frankly we avoided major injury on defense until Dean which also unlikely to happen back to back years. there’s a good chance there was gonna be a regression on defense and there’s a chance that injuries catch up to them, they don’t win in 2025 but at least they went all in on 2025 and potentially screwed themselves in 2026 and 2027 with guys we really should not want to lose 

I wonder if moving CJGJ lessened the urgency to get Goedert off the books. I'm sure they still want him to take a pay cut for 2025, but maybe they are prepared to be stuck with him.

22 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The question came up yesterday regarding who the true "CORE" are.  

I suppose your expectation is that Carter, Mitchell, DeJean and Smith are the 4 being discussed.  BUT, what about Blankenship or Hunt?  Is Blankenship part of that core?  Could Hunt develop into part of the core, or is only one of the EDGEs truly the 'core'?

Or, would they be guys to keep around only if the price is 'reasonable'?  

I think Reed is getting an extension. I don’t think eagles want to pay 2 Safeties with guys they have coming up. I think part of the CJGJ is that Reed needs a contract now because he’s a free agent at the end of the year. So if they pay Blankenship and CJGJ is looking at his contract like I gave you guys a team friendly deal last off-season, I’m better than Reed and I want a new contract now it’s creating a whole other issue. I’m guessing that is also something they were trying to get ahead of. Do not want to have CJGJ being pissed off about his contract and just talking about it this creating issues. 

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

You don’t care until you get the 2026 and 2027 and we lose some of those guys. Then you are complaining we don’t have them or why we didn’t lock those guys up over lesser guys.

The Eagles are making a plan so they could be Super Bowl contenders for 5 to 6 years by maneuvering and being smart with their money. Meanwhile, you wanna just go all in on 2025 because you don’t care what happens in 2026 and 2027. I’m guessing that’s a BS answer because if we did what you wanted to do (didn’t win back to back) and we got the 2026 and 2027 and they fall off a cliff you’re gonna be one on here comparing about why did they have this downfall and lose some core guys. I guarantee it 

also, Dallas goedert hasn’t been traded yet. You wonder why he hasn’t been traded yet? Because that contract is really hard to maneuver and trade because they don’t obviously want to take a $9.9 million cat pit along with the dead money. So that trade is going to be super complicated. It’s why he’s still here. Frankly I think they would’ve got that trade earlier if it cleared cap and wasn’t a complicated contract

furthermore, they’re not gonna be able to plug in all the holes. You have to hope that the passing offense isn’t gonna be ranked 30th next year. Because if the pass offense winds up being top 10 that’s a drastic improvement and gonna help up for some of your decline on defense.The defense was very unlikely to be back to back years number one defense. They were always going to have some sort of regression. Especially knowing sweat and Williams were leaving and Dean was out for most of the year in 2025 (frankly Burks might just turn back into a pumpkin in Cincinnati). Frankly we avoided major injury on defense until Dean which also unlikely to happen back to back years. there’s a good chance there was gonna be a regression on defense and there’s a chance that injuries catch up to them, they don’t win in 2025 but at least they went all in on 2025 and potentially screwed themselves in 2026 and 2027 with guys we really should not want to lose 

I don't care because they had as close to a perfect product on defense as a team can get in the cap era. It was going to be diluted with Williams and Sweat. They feel the need to not give Slay one more, OK, but it keeps going and going. After a certain point it's going to be too diluted and rookies and scrub FA aren't going to fix it the way some people think they will. Again, people like you keep ignoring Johnson will be gone in 1-2 years and Brown and Barkley are going to age. There is middle ground in letting Williams, Slay, and Sweat go and then there is Rodgers, Burks, CJ, and then letting DG go on the other side. They are going past middle ground into half a rebuild when they don't have to, and they won't be as competitive. Even if they can plug the holes the depth is what helped them win and they won't have much. Going extreme the way you suggest isn't the only way. 

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

I wonder if moving CJGJ lessened the urgency to get Goedert off the books. I'm sure they still want him to take a pay cut for 2025, but maybe they are prepared to be stuck with him.

My belief it was easier to move CJGJ contract then it is for goedert. Add on they can save money for future contracts, want to give Blankenship an extension and if Blankenship gets an extension CJGJ isn’t going to sit there and just be like I’m fine with mine. He signed a team friendly deal last year. I’m betting now or next offseason he wants an extension especially if he was here and saw Reed get paid  

14 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Howie has been very adamant that the Eagles will not sign a player that has a history of violence against women. While the charges were dropped against Miller, he was still suspended by the NFL. I'm not sure we would sign him given that.

Hmmm... how did I miss that?   Ok.  No Miller.   Thoughts on BG?   I just like the idea of having a veteran presence around these young guys.   Smith is only in year 3, and Hunt will be going into year 2.  And behind them we have a whole lotta notta.  They will likely bring in at least one rookie, but that's not a veteran presence.    Dante Fowler would be an interesting option too.   Is the Dallas stink wear off yet or is it still there?  Fowler got 1 year for just over $3M last year from Washington.  He had a great year, so maybe the price goes up to $5 or $6M... spread over 3 years as that's what Howie does.

14 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Howie has been very adamant that the Eagles will not sign a player that has a history of violence against women. While the charges were dropped against Miller, he was still suspended by the NFL. I'm not sure we would sign him given that.

Even if he didn't have that I'd question how much juice he has left, he's 35 with a lot of miles on the clock, he had 6 sacks regular season last year but has offered nothing in the play offs for 3 years. 

He looks like a Ryan Kerrigan / Robert Quinn waiting to happen.

Has he ever requested a trade?

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Hmmm... how did I miss that?   Ok.  No Miller.   Thoughts on BG?   I just like the idea of having a veteran presence around these young guys.   Smith is only in year 3, and Hunt will be going into year 2.  And behind them we have a whole lotta notta.  They will likely bring in at least one rookie, but that's not a veteran presence.    Dante Fowler would be an interesting option too.   Is the Dallas stink wear off yet or is it still there?  Fowler got 1 year for just over $3M last year from Washington.  He had a great year, so maybe the price goes up to $5 or $6M... spread over 3 years as that's what Howie does.

I've been on the Dante Fowler train for a while -- would love it for 1 year, $5mm. Other names that make sense to me are DeMarcus Lawrence or trading for Jermaine Johnson if their medicals check out.

As for BG -- he gets the Kelce treatment. If he wants to play, we sign him again.

17 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

https://x.com/greengoblin/status/1899870581715067381

 

Howie playing hardball

 

@VaBeach_Eagle this one was acting up

Seems like he just explained exactly how he feels right now.  🤔

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Hmmm... how did I miss that?   Ok.  No Miller.   Thoughts on BG?   I just like the idea of having a veteran presence around these young guys.   Smith is only in year 3, and Hunt will be going into year 2.  And behind them we have a whole lotta notta.  They will likely bring in at least one rookie, but that's not a veteran presence.    Dante Fowler would be an interesting option too.   Is the Dallas stink wear off yet or is it still there?  Fowler got 1 year for just over $3M last year from Washington.  He had a great year, so maybe the price goes up to $5 or $6M... spread over 3 years as that's what Howie does.

I can’t imagine BG coming off of a double tricep tear wanting to rehab and then get back into shape. I think he played in that SB knowing it was his last game and he was willing to rush back from injury for it. 

10 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I don't care because they had as close to a perfect product on defense as a team can get in the cap era. It was going to be diluted with Williams and Sweat. They feel the need to not give Slay one more, OK, but it keeps going and going. After a certain point it's going to be too diluted and rookies and scrub FA aren't going to fix it the way some people think they will. Again, people like you keep ignoring Johnson will be gone in 1-2 years and Brown and Barkley are going to age. There is middle ground in letting Williams, Slay, and Sweat go and then there is Rodgers, Burks, CJ, and then letting DG go on the other side. They are going past middle ground into half a rebuild when they don't have to, and they won't be as competitive. Even if they can plug the holes the depth is what helped them win and they won't have much. Going extreme the way you suggest isn't the only way. 

So lane so going to retire and we are just going to fall apart so we should go all in on 2025. So stoutland is going to just become a bad OL coach. The eagles will have no plan for Rt once lane retires. People said when tra was done we would struggle to replace him. We got peters. Peters left and we found mailata. Like I don’t think they’re gonna get a lane Johnson type right tackle. He’s a generational player but I think they can get one that is good. They won a Super Bowl with vaitai at LT. I tend to trust that stoutland and howie aren’t going to ignore RT when lane goes 

again, it is really Fing hard to win back to back Super Bowls. It hasn’t happened all that often besides the Chiefs and the New England Patriots who had all-time quarterbacks. So would you rather just go all in for 2025 because lame Johnson is gonna retire soon or would you rather set yourself up to potentially have a 6 to 7 year window? I think most people are gonna care about that 6 to 7 years while you don’t.

no offense Rodgers, burks are replaceable. It sucks to lose them but you are acting like they are irreplaceable. CJGJ will be harder. Goedert is still Fing here. Why? Cause his contract is much harder to trade and so there’s a higher chance he’s back. CJGJ contract was easier to trade. It was a team friendly deal when he signed it with an out after 1 year 

1 hour ago, vikas83 said:

I'd expect Howie to treat them like he did Smitty -- pick up the 5th year option, then add an extension after that which jacks up the AAV. So you roll the 5th year option into the extension, but the player gets cash now via a signing bonus and roster bonuses. They technically picked up Smitty's 5th year option for this year, and then gave him a 3 year extension for 2026-2028.

That is a solid plan.

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

My belief it was easier to move CJGJ contract then it is for goedert. Add on they can save money for future contracts, want to give Blankenship an extension and if Blankenship gets an extension CJGJ isn’t going to sit there and just be like I’m fine with mine. He signed a team friendly deal last year. I’m betting now or next offseason he wants an extension especially if he was here and saw Reed get paid  

Moving Goedert is really a PITA. $21mm of dead money for trading him pre June 1. Yeah, if you move him post June 1, you can make it $7.7mm in 2025, but that $13.3mm then hits in 2026. And you just moved CJGJ to keep from taking dead money in 2026. But you have to trade DG after June 1 but before paying his 2025 option bonus of $13.995 million (due beginning of regular season). And you need a team to be willing to pay him that or extend him. I'm not sure there's a trade out there that makes sense.

If you let him play it out, it's $23.8mm of 2026 dead money. Maybe a BS "extension" allows you to cut him post June 1 next year and move dead money into 2027. 

15 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

But he can bring back the swag CJGJ took with him

Gotta have that finger wag!

23 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I understand him being a dart throw, and that's fine. He costs nothing so why not? He can spend the offseason at the facility and see where he shakes out with the rest when TC begins.

It's the "Eagles traded CJGJ because they have Cine ready to go" takes that are driving me crazy. 

Yeah, agreed there. He'll get a look, but I have low expectations. Sydney Brown SHOULD have higher expectations. He's gonna need to take a leap this offseason for a 3rd round pick, along with Ringo.

2 minutes ago, GoEagles614 said:

I can’t imagine BG coming off of a double tricep tear wanting to rehab and then get back into shape. I think he played in that SB knowing it was his last game and he was willing to rush back from injury for it. 

I agree. I think BG rushed back knowing he was all in on one last game. Gonna be weird not seeing 55 out there.

Love Starks.

Wouldn't love him at 32.

12 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

 

It embedded for me, did you go to the 'share' link and copy that from there or did you get the URL from the address bar and use that?

I tried to embed a link earlier today and it gave the "No tweet at that link” message after I clicked on the "post as Plain Text” message.  I clicked on that pasted link in the message and it opened the tweet.  Once there I used the Copy Link function and then went back to the message and repeated the Embed and it worked.

I’m using Safari on an iPhone

4 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Moving Goedert is really a PITA. $21mm of dead money for trading him pre June 1. Yeah, if you move him post June 1, you can make it $7.7mm in 2025, but that $13.3mm then hits in 2026. And you just moved CJGJ to keep from taking dead money in 2026. But you have to trade DG after June 1 but before paying his 2025 option bonus of $13.995 million (due beginning of regular season). And you need a team to be willing to pay him that or extend him. I'm not sure there's a trade out there that makes sense.

If you let him play it out, it's $23.8mm of 2026 dead money. Maybe a BS "extension" allows you to cut him post June 1 next year and move dead money into 2027. 

Seems like a horrible contract

3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Moving Goedert is really a PITA. $21mm of dead money for trading him pre June 1. Yeah, if you move him post June 1, you can make it $7.7mm in 2025, but that $13.3mm then hits in 2026. And you just moved CJGJ to keep from taking dead money in 2026. But you have to trade DG after June 1 but before paying his 2025 option bonus of $13.995 million (due beginning of regular season). And you need a team to be willing to pay him that or extend him. I'm not sure there's a trade out there that makes sense.

If you let him play it out, it's $23.8mm of 2026 dead money. Maybe a BS "extension" allows you to cut him post June 1 next year and move dead money into 2027. 

Yeah goedert is immensely harder to trade than CJGJ from multiple different ways. CJGJ signed a team friendly deal and it always had an out in 2025 why it happened as quickly as it did.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the eagles tried a Josh sweat type of deal that they did last year win him. Frankly I don’t see a team trading for him and giving him an extension he wants at 30 and the amount of injuries he’s endured. I tend to think the eagles likely draft his replacement this year and lean more towards him being back one way or another  

16 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think Reed is getting an extension. I don’t think whales want to pay 2 Safeties with guys they have coming up. I think part of the CJGJ is that Reed needs a contract now because he’s a free agent at the end of the year. So if they pay Blankenship and CJGJ is looking at his contract like I gave you guys a team friendly deal last off-season, I’m better than Reed and I want a new contract now it’s creating a whole other issue. I’m guessing that is also something they were trying to get ahead of. Do not want to have CJGJ being pissed off about his contract and just talking about it this creating issues. 

That makes a whole lot of sense.  Especially since CJGJ is not bashful about stirring the pot.

5 minutes ago, GoEagles614 said:

I can’t imagine BG coming off of a double tricep tear wanting to rehab and then get back into shape. I think he played in that SB knowing it was his last game and he was willing to rush back from injury for it. 

There’s also quite a few rotational vets that could make sense. Lawrence, both Smiths,  Fowler, Ogbah. Also the draft is going to be FILLED with Edge and DL players. 

15 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Hmmm... how did I miss that?   Ok.  No Miller.   Thoughts on BG?   I just like the idea of having a veteran presence around these young guys.   Smith is only in year 3, and Hunt will be going into year 2.  And behind them we have a whole lotta notta.  They will likely bring in at least one rookie, but that's not a veteran presence.    Dante Fowler would be an interesting option too.   Is the Dallas stink wear off yet or is it still there?  Fowler got 1 year for just over $3M last year from Washington.  He had a great year, so maybe the price goes up to $5 or $6M... spread over 3 years as that's what Howie does.

I strongly support the idea of bringing BG back for one more year.

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

So lane so going to retire and we are just going to fall apart so we should go all in on 2025. So stoutland is going to just become a bad OL coach. The eagles will have no plan for Rt once lane retires. People said when tra was done we would struggle to replace him. We got peters. Peters left and we found mailata. Like I don’t think they’re gonna get a lane Johnson type right tackle. He’s a generational player but I think they can get one that is good. They won a Super Bowl with vaitai at LT. I tend to trust that stoutland and howie aren’t going to ignore RT when lane goes 

again, it is really Fing hard to win back to back Super Bowls. It hasn’t happened all that often besides the Chiefs and the New England Patriots who had all-time quarterbacks. So would you rather just go all in for 2025 because lame Johnson is gonna retire soon or would you rather set yourself up to potentially have a 6 to 7 year window? I think most people are gonna care about that 6 to 7 years while you don’t.

no offense Rodgers, burks are replaceable. It sucks to lose them but you are acting like they are irreplaceable. CJGJ will be harder. Goedert is still Fing here. Why? Cause his contract is much harder to trade and so there’s a higher chance he’s back. CJGJ contract was easier to trade. It was a team friendly deal when he signed it with an out after 1 year 

No crap it's hard. And yeah not having a HOF RT is going to cause them a step back along with SB and Brown being 30.

Bottom line is you don't care about taking a step back this year and not having as good of a shot or you believe every scrub FA and draft pick is going to be able to step right in and no step back. Cool. I do not. No point in continuing.

Chargers signed Jalen Raegor. I didn’t know he was still in league