2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

We must discuss any and all things... because there is nothing real to discuss.   

Very philosophical.

 

6 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Any Goedert deal may be after the draft, when teams may not have acquired the TE they were hoping to.

That would be the best time... post-June 1.

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Deep breaths guys

 

 

27 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Not in the blog but I'm tired of seeing his name in general 

In here I've seen "They must have liked what they saw with Cine" and other variations of that which is also teetering on ridiculous 

Cine is on track to be DPOY.  

3 minutes ago, NOTW said:

It amazes me how many can't see the big picture. We can dislike certain moves and be disappointed players we like are gone, but you have to see the big picture beyond this offseason. Building this SB champion team was several years in the making. Most of the offense is signed through several years so the defense is where they focused recent drafts and got younger. They have finally drafted star All-Pro players on defense and they will need to get PAID. 

Fangio is also influencing the decisions. Burks and Rodgers were cheap, so perhaps Fangio just didn't want them. They also see things from guys ready to step into larger roles, free agents they think they can add after the initial wave, and guys they are targeting in the draft.

By the time the draft is done, they should have a strong DE prospect and starting safety competition (draft pick or free agent), plus whatever other depth they acquire.

If this team is going to win more championships, you're going to look back over the years and see the plan executed over several offseasons, with decisions in 2025 impacting future years. This assumes it all works of course, but the plans seems pretty obvious.

I’d add i think the eagles kind of expected that their defense was likely going to have some regression in 2025. Hard to be no. 1 back to back years and losing some guys they figured that. But i also think they believe that the passing offense can be more consistent and better in 2025. They were ranked 30th in the league. If that gets better, running game is still elite that those two things would help make up for the defensive regression  

Mykell Williams with a 4.73 and 4.82 at pro day.   Maybe those times push him down to 32?

https://247sports.com/article/georgia-dl-mykel-williams-showcases-speed-attributes-at-pro-day-workout-246883649/

2 minutes ago, NOTW said:

The offense is stacked and they just paid Barkley. Shipley plus a draft pick or cheap free agent. 

Dillon would be cheap.  They drafted Shipley in 2024 so I'm not sure another draft pick in 2025 will be spent on RB.  Also think they need more than Shipley if Barkley gets dinged and needs to miss a game or two.  You still need 20+ carries out of the backfield per game.

If the Eagles had not won the SB, I would be losing my mind right now. 

Jalen Hurts is not good enough to ever win a SB.  The passing game is so anemic that we are forced to rely exclusively on the defense and a running back to win a title.  And that's not how you can win SB's anymore.  The RB and defense just peaked...and now the defense is getting picked away.  The cap is a reality even for Howie.  Etc. etc. So it's over.

But that's precisely not what happened (Except for the cap reality part).  They did it and won.  And that changes everything.  Where some of you were wrong is in saying that I'd complain the day after they won a SB.  The SB is where I draw the line.  3 SB appearances and 2 titles in 7 years.  

I had my fun in February; I can live with being disappointed and tightening the belt in March.  Howie is the best ground-up roster architect in the NFL.  Not only have they earned our patience and trust, but they've also earned a total F up mulligan too.

With all of that said, do I think they'll be worse next year?  Yeah, I do.  I mean, their defense has been overhauled and gutted.  I understand why they did everything they did.  But a major step back with a SB hangover, brutal schedule, Barkley after a huge workload year, one less road grader up front, and major defensive change...yeah, a downward correction is probably in the forecast.

But if everything Howie touches in the draft keeps turning to gold...or if he regresses back to the mean and has a couple drafts resembling pre 2021...these veteran moves aren't going to matter either way.  What these moves do is create a more sustainable roster foundation.  

 

1 hour ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Trading CJGJ was a bad move that I don't agree with and the strategy put so much weight into relying on this years draft class could come back to blow up on them because he is statistically due for some big misses in the draft.

As has been explained by many here, the impending Blankenship extension made the trade very logical.  You appear to disagree with that logic, but that disagreement doesn’t make the trade bad.

I do feel like every year the Eagles are in a big comp pick situation, we get surprisingly disappointed in the announced compensation when the time comes.

This is the perfect draft for Howie to trade back out of the 1st (no 1st round contract), acquire additional pick or two for next year. If you add that with the comp picks in 2026 he will have a lot of ammo to trade up in the 2026 draft. 

This year get a DE, Safety, TE, depth elsewhere and sign some free agents to add to the mix. They still have their studs on defense in Carter, Baun, Q, DeJean and emerging guys around them. I'm not sold on the defense taking that much of a step back, because you also have guys with another year in Fangio's system, 2nd and 3rd year players making the leap. There's a lot to be positive about as well.

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Dillon would be cheap.  They drafted Shipley in 2024 so I'm not sure another draft pick in 2025 will be spent on RB.  Also think they need more than Shipley if Barkley gets dinged and needs to miss a game or two.  You still need 20+ carries out of the backfield per game.

Corey Dillon?!   Wow, he's like 50 years old, isn't he?!

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Dillon would be cheap.  They drafted Shipley in 2024 so I'm not sure another draft pick in 2025 will be spent on RB.  Also think they need more than Shipley if Barkley gets dinged and needs to miss a game or two.  You still need 20+ carries out of the backfield per game.

Yeah, maybe. They might not draft a RB, but some have said it's a good year to draft one. It doesn't have to be high, it can be a 5th-7th rounder, plus there are UDFA. It depends on how much they trust Shipley, but I thought he looked good. 

1 hour ago, Diehardfan said:

Fingers crossed. Vic has the eye for talent, so it's possible. It's a lot of pressure, though. They honestly need two because Huff can't be counted on and they need to rotate/have depth.

They only need two if BG doesn’t come back for one more bite of the apple 

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

If the Eagles had not won the SB, I would be losing my mind right now. 

Jalen Hurts is not good enough to ever win a SB.  The passing game is so anemic that we are forced to rely exclusively on the defense and a running back to win a title.  And that's not how you can win SB's anymore.  The RB and defense just peaked...and now the defense is getting picked away.  The cap is a reality even for Howie.  Etc. etc. So it's over.

But that's precisely not what happened (Except for the cap reality part).  They did it and won.  And that changes everything.  Where some of you were wrong is in saying that I'd complain the day after they won a SB.  The SB is where I draw the line.  3 SB appearances and 2 titles in 7 years.  

I had my fun in February; I can live with being disappointed and tightening the belt in March.  Howie is the best ground-up roster architect in the NFL.  Not only have they earned our patience and trust, but they've also earned a total F up mulligan too.

With all of that said, do I think they'll be worse next year?  Yeah, I do.  I mean, their defense has been overhauled and gutted.  I understand why they did everything they did.  But a major step back with a SB hangover, brutal schedule, Barkley after a huge workload year, one less road grader up front, and major defensive change...yeah, a downward correction is probably in the forecast.

But if everything Howie touches in the draft keeps turning to gold...or if he regresses back to the mean and has a couple drafts resembling pre 2021...these veteran moves aren't going to matter either way.  What these moves do is create a more sustainable roster foundation.  

 

I agree with that except that the defense has been gutted.  It has been thinned (and worse now) but you still have Carter, Smith, Hunt, Q, DeJean, Baun, Dean & Reed.  Yes you've eroded by letting depth CJGJ & Slay go.  Work to do but I do think the core is still the core. 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Green isn't really about the RG position.   So, it really comes down to Becton's price.  At the right price, they are ready for him to come back.   If he prices out of their range... hopefully we get a good comp pick in return.

Green is here for minimal cost to prove if he's worth extending as a very young potential positionally flexible depth player.  Those guys are so valuable.

Agreed 100%

5 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Mykell Williams with a 4.73 and 4.82 at pro day.   Maybe those times push him down to 32?

https://247sports.com/article/georgia-dl-mykel-williams-showcases-speed-attributes-at-pro-day-workout-246883649/

The Eagles seem more interested in explosiveness for their linemen.  Are his jumping results available?

Berman thinks the Eagles moves are more a Lurie directive to get to their set budget than a Howie telling Lurie that they have to get rid of these guys or their cap is Fed situation.

Just now, Sack that QB said:

Berman thinks the Eagles moves are more a Lurie directive to get to their set budget than a Howie telling Lurie that they have to get rid of these guys or their cap is Fed situation.

That's why these guys are writers and not businessmen because that's dumb

I don't watch the all-22 anymore and it annoys me when narratives change on players from both haters and mouthpieces as convenient...

But I suspect a closer inspection of coverage success in 2024 would show that CJGJ might not have been as awesome some think, specifically in coverage.  

My prediction:

One good: Like Nolan Smith, Sidney Brown needs a chance.  I don't want to hear that they are adding a new safety to leapfrog him.  1 year from now, I think we look at Sidney Brown as one of the surprise studs...and everyone is glad we made the transition.

One bad: I think Green will be a sobering reminder that Stoutland university is not perfect.  I think he'll be the backup guard and won't even do very well with that.  Every piece of coal does not methodically get polished into a diamond and this guy has been bad.

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Berman thinks the Eagles moves are more a Lurie directive to get to their set budget than a Howie telling Lurie that they have to get rid of these guys or their cap is Fed situation.

Tend to think Howie and Jeff know guys like smith, Carter, Mitchell and dejean are going to demand a ton of money especially with the cap going up. That they have to be better with money/cap cause they can’t do like they did with huff going forward and avoid future problems. 

4 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Berman thinks the Eagles moves are more a Lurie directive to get to their set budget than a Howie telling Lurie that they have to get rid of these guys or their cap is Fed situation.

Funny, that is my personal thinking as well 

5 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

The Eagles seem more interested in explosiveness for their linemen.  Are his jumping results available?

If the Eagles, under Howie, can be painted with one brush, it is to aggressively pivot against what doesn't work towards what does.  

They have had very, very strong positive reinforcement and success with drafting workout tested explosive DL (and failures when drafting less explosive guys).  

I would be surprised and disappointed if they drafted a Mike Patterson, Derek Barnett type DL.  They've been going for the Nolan Smith, Josh Sweat, Milton Williams types with immense success.

19 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Just using him as an example because he was the most recent. You also have the Bengals giving Gesicki $12M in his first year and other bad TE's contracts out there. I'd feel pretty insulted to cut my $14M salary if I were him while Gesicki is making slightly less. 

To be honest as much as I like Goedert, his receiving numbers aren't that much better than Gesicki if at all and his availability is much worse. Gesicki's blocking is average but as a receiving TE on passing downs, the difference between the two is smaller than we may want to accept

If Goedert was as healthy and durable as Gesicki I'd have no problem keeping him at 14million, as it is a Gesicki level deal doesn't look like an insult.

As it is Kittle is on $15million per and he's a bigger step than $1mill a season better than Goedert on current performance. 

 

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Oh, I’m totally fine with picking up Green and seeing if that lump of clay can be molded into something good. I see this as similar to Chance Warmack in that that we are buying low and taking a shot on pedigree. While I’m not all that optimistic, I’m more optimistic about Green because he is a real athlete and not a slug like Warmack. 

I dunno. Looking at Green's numbers, he's pretty much a slug. Especially agility drills and jumps. I have little hope Stout will have more success than he did with Warmack.