10 minutes ago, NOTW said:

It amazes me how many can't see the big picture. We can dislike certain moves and be disappointed players we like are gone, but you have to see the big picture beyond this offseason. Building this SB champion team was several years in the making. Most of the offense is signed through several years so the defense is where they focused recent drafts and got younger. They have finally drafted star All-Pro players on defense and they will need to get PAID. 

Fangio is also influencing the decisions. Burks and Rodgers were cheap, so perhaps Fangio just didn't want them. They also see things from guys ready to step into larger roles, free agents they think they can add after the initial wave, and guys they are targeting in the draft.

By the time the draft is done, they should have a strong DE prospect and starting safety competition (draft pick or free agent), plus whatever other depth they acquire.

If this team is going to win more championships, you're going to look back over the years and see the plan executed over several offseasons, with decisions in 2025 impacting future years. This assumes it all works of course, but the plans seems pretty obvious.

The eagles had one of the best super bowl teams ever last year because every move worked out. Teams win the super bowl pretty much every year with a weakness, or a few weak links. The eagles literally had none. Not every move is supposed to work out perfectly. Like a Gardner-Johnson staying healthy finally, or a Baun suddenly being All-Pro. A backup DT being the #1 defensive free agent on the market.

Teams cant pay everyone, and usually you have guys who feel very replaceable that you can let walk.

The eagles had no one that we wanted to let walk. Not even Oren Burks who might have been LB 6 in training camp behind guys like Trotter Jr, and Van Summeren. Not even Rodgers who was a reclamation project, and major unknown. 

 

In the past Howie was criticized for the decisions he made to try to keep super bowl rosters together. This year, that wasnt even possible.

 

Looking at the guys we have lost, most were not starters. Milton Williams was not. We still have our impact starters at DT. Burks was not. Rodgers was not. 

Slay, a starter we lost already has a replacement behind him, we presume, in Ringo.

And no matter how much you over-rated Gardner-Johnson, if you had to pick a starter to lose from defense, it is probably him for a lot of people. We arent confident in his successor. Thats the one big question so far. Often injured, too out of control, poor tackling Sydney Brown does not inspire confidence. 

 

But, we still have the draft. And veteran depth free agents will be signed.

This team will be largely intact form last year. More rookies should make impacts. And our young contributors will grow even more.

On top of that, you are going to love choosing to re-sign Jergens, Carter, Q Mitchell, DeJean, Nolan Smith, and maybe Jordan Davis, over Gardner-Johnson, Oren Burks, and Milton Williams. 

8 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

That's why these guys are writers and not businessmen because that's dumb

It's not without merit. They lost cap space with the CJGJ deal, but saved in cash. And they've spent a lot of cash in the last decade, maybe it's unsustainable. Especially if the owner wants to buy the Celtics.

Then again they did pay Baun and Barkley.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Tend to think Howie and Jeff know guys like smith, Carter, Mitchell and dejean are going to demand a ton of money especially with the cap going up. That they have to be better with money/cap cause they can’t do like they did with huff going forward and avoid future problems. 

The thing I can see Lurie saying is ease up on the borrowing from future years because they've been doing that a ton and even with the cap going up it can a hit a wall so it's best to face some of your pain now

16 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I do feel like every year the Eagles are in a big comp pick situation, we get surprisingly disappointed in the announced compensation when the time comes.

you are correct.

The funny thing with Bryce Huff is that, on paper, he should be a better fit here than anywhere else.  Ignoring 2024 for a second...

Undersized fastball who has been very disruptive as a #3 edge, questions about playing full time snaps, but a prototypical rotational pass rusher.

Isn't that exactly what we need behind Smith and Hunt?  Or is the emotional damage from his 2024 season in Philly so severe that he just needs a change of scenery?

Just now, Sack that QB said:

It's not without merit. They lost cap space with the CJGJ deal, but saved in cash. And they've spent a lot of cash in the last decade, maybe it's unsustainable. Especially if the owner wants to buy the Celtics.

Then again they did pay Baun and Barkley.

They saved cap with CJGJ just not this year. They will very likely spend that money in cash on one of these extensions about to happen

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I don't watch the all-22 anymore and it annoys me when narratives change on players from both haters and mouthpieces as convenient...

But I suspect a closer inspection of coverage success in 2024 would show that CJGJ might not have been as awesome some think, specifically in coverage.  

My prediction:

One good: Like Nolan Smith, Sidney Brown needs a chance.  I don't want to hear that they are adding a new safety to leapfrog him.  1 year from now, I think we look at Sidney Brown as one of the surprise studs...and everyone is glad we made the transition.

One bad: I think Green will be a sobering reminder that Stoutland university is not perfect.  I think he'll be the backup guard and won't even do very well with that.  Every piece of coal does not methodically get polished into a diamond and this guy has been bad.

A lot of people were saying this during the season as well, especially when it came to TD passes surrendered.  I don't know where I saw it... probably in the blog sometime ago, but I read that CJGJ had the most TDs surrendered of any Eagles player this year.   Maybe that's just an indication of how good our CBs were... or maybe an indication of the fact that he was the weakest link in the secondary against the pass.   

 

It seemed like he made one really big play a game and spent the rest of the game as either invisible or surrendering a TD.  Maybe just my perception.  I was glad to get him back, but also glad to see him go.  I just don't like his schtick.  People talk about him and BG both being trash talkers, but that's not true.  BG's trash talk is very different from CJGJ's.  BG has never been given a personal foul for his mouth... CJGJ got 2 in the same game this year resulting in him being ejected.  Personally, I don't like ejections from games for something so easily controlled.  

 

Now, they have a hole defensively that they didn't have before, which is a concern.   But, there's also time to fix that.   CJGJ wasn't acquired the first time around until the end of AUGUST in 2022.  So, there's still plenty of time to make moves to address this issue.   AND, the Eagles are stockpiling draft capital to be able to make more moves, especially in the 2026 draft.  I could a post-draft trade at some point, just like the CJGJ trade or the Dotson trade were before to the 2022 and 2024 seasons, respectively.

Wonder if the Eagles bring Maddox back. They need depth and safety and CB now and he's both. I know people here wouldn't be happy with that, but on paper, he kinda fits exactly what it is they're looking for.

Not ancient

Fills a need at two positions

Knows the system

Will be dirt cheap

Just now, Sack that QB said:

Wonder if the Eagles bring Maddox back. They need depth and safety and CB now and he's both. I know people here wouldn't be happy with that, but on paper, he kinda fits exactly what it is they're looking for.

Not ancient

Fills a need at two positions

Knows the system

Will be dirt cheap

I don't know. I like remembering him making that play in the SB and not cursing at him for something that happened during the season

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

It's not without merit. They lost cap space with the CJGJ deal, but saved in cash. And they've spent a lot of cash in the last decade, maybe it's unsustainable. Especially if the owner wants to buy the Celtics.

Then again they did pay Baun and Barkley.

NFL revenues were $20.2B in 2023.  Split equally among the 32 teams is $631,250,000 per team.

If I saw Lurie on the street, I'd ask him to gift me $10M because he might have it in the glove compartment of his car.

19 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Corey Dillon?!   Wow, he's like 50 years old, isn't he?!

That was my reaction as well.  🤭

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I dunno. Looking at Green's numbers, he's pretty much a slug. Especially agility drills and jumps. I have little hope Stout will have more success than he did with Warmack.

Yep.  Honestly, I thought Warmack had more potential and more serviceable NFL snaps prior to coming to Philly than Green even.  I think this is a scratch and sniff throw in with a salary dump.

I'm on board with the trade because I can see how it helps the cap over the next 2-3 years, I think Sidney Brown will make everyone forget about it anyway, and I'm not sure CJGJ is as much of a stud as his fieriness leads us to believe.  But I think Green is going to be a dud.

17 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

The Eagles seem more interested in explosiveness for their linemen.  Are his jumping results available?

Can't officially find them...  This is what google spit back at me though which is weird since he obviously didn't do those at the combine.  

Mykell Williams recorded a vertical jump of 36 inches at the 2025 NFL Combine and a broad jump of 10'4". 

 

• Vertical Jump: 36 inches 
   
• Broad Jump: 10'4" 
   
• 40-yard Dash: 4.86 seconds 
   
• Other Results:
  • Hand Size: 9 ¾" 
     
  • Arm Length: 33 ½" 
     
  • Wingspan: 82 3/4" 
     
  • 10-Yard Split: 1.69 
     
  • Shuttle: 4.34 
     
  • 3-Cone Drill: 7.28 
     
  • Bench Press: 12 reps 

9 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

The eagles had one of the best super bowl teams ever last year because every move worked out. Teams win the super bowl pretty much every year with a weakness, or a few weak links. The eagles literally had none. Not every move is supposed to work out perfectly. Like a Gardner-Johnson staying healthy finally, or a Baun suddenly being All-Pro. A backup DT being the #1 defensive free agent on the market.

 

Nearly so.  Huff and White... not so much.    Everything else is spot on.

10 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I dunno. Looking at Green's numbers, he's pretty much a slug. Especially agility drills and jumps. I have little hope Stout will have more success than he did with Warmack.

Where is Random Reglar with his RAS scores?  We need to see Green’s

10 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Wonder if the Eagles bring Maddox back. They need depth and safety and CB now and he's both. I know people here wouldn't be happy with that, but on paper, he kinda fits exactly what it is they're looking for.

Not ancient

Fills a need at two positions

Knows the system

Will be dirt cheap

Stop putting that in the universe 

9 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The funny thing with Bryce Huff is that, on paper, he should be a better fit here than anywhere else.  Ignoring 2024 for a second...

Undersized fastball who has been very disruptive as a #3 edge, questions about playing full time snaps, but a prototypical rotational pass rusher.

Isn't that exactly what we need behind Smith and Hunt?  Or is the emotional damage from his 2024 season in Philly so severe that he just needs a change of scenery?

Ask him if he can take what happened this year and move past it.   He was a healthy scratch in the Super Bowl, after playing 1 snap in the NFC CG... and was made inactive to make space on the gameday roster for a 36 year old coming back from a torn triceps on a short recovery to play in his place.  What's his mental make up?

 

AND... ask Fangio/Hurtt why he was used so sparingly this season.  Was he just ineffective, or did he have an issue with their style?  Was he more in line with the Dolphins players that thought the game had passed Fangio by and were refusing to do what he told them to?

10 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

NFL revenues were $20.2B in 2023.  Split equally among the 32 teams is $631,250,000 per team.

If I saw Lurie on the street, I'd ask him to gift me $10M because he might have it in the glove compartment of his car.

Are you saying that Lurie is...

5 hours ago, Texas Eagle said:

Fine with Ringo getting a shot but Brown would be a massive downgrade 

I really liked CJGJ but I don’t understand why people are down on Brown. Whenever he’s played, he’s always around the ball. His only problem is that he’s a little too aggressive and misses some tackles but that’s something they can work on. I think he’s a guy with big play ability. 

18 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

A lot of people were saying this during the season as well, especially when it came to TD passes surrendered.  I don't know where I saw it... probably in the blog sometime ago, but I read that CJGJ had the most TDs surrendered of any Eagles player this year.   Maybe that's just an indication of how good our CBs were... or maybe an indication of the fact that he was the weakest link in the secondary against the pass.   

 

It seemed like he made one really big play a game and spent the rest of the game as either invisible or surrendering a TD.  Maybe just my perception.  I was glad to get him back, but also glad to see him go.  I just don't like his schtick.  People talk about him and BG both being trash talkers, but that's not true.  BG's trash talk is very different from CJGJ's.  BG has never been given a personal foul for his mouth... CJGJ got 2 in the same game this year resulting in him being ejected.  Personally, I don't like ejections from games for something so easily controlled.  

 

Now, they have a hole defensively that they didn't have before, which is a concern.   But, there's also time to fix that.   CJGJ wasn't acquired the first time around until the end of AUGUST in 2022.  So, there's still plenty of time to make moves to address this issue.   AND, the Eagles are stockpiling draft capital to be able to make more moves, especially in the 2026 draft.  I could a post-draft trade at some point, just like the CJGJ trade or the Dotson trade were before to the 2022 and 2024 seasons, respectively.

CJ gave up the most TDs out of all safety's in the NFL, allowing 9. Several players are tied for 2nd with 6 TDs allowed.

 

edit: Regular season CJ allowed 7, still the most given up.

18 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

To be honest as much as I like Goedert, his receiving numbers aren't that much better than Gesicki if at all and his availability is much worse. Gesicki's blocking is average but as a receiving TE on passing downs, the difference between the two is smaller than we may want to accept

If Goedert was as healthy and durable as Gesicki I'd have no problem keeping him at 14million, as it is a Gesicki level deal doesn't look like an insult.

As it is Kittle is on $15million per and he's a bigger step than $1mill a season better than Goedert on current performance. 

 

I think Gesicki is a bad blocker and is more of a glorified slot WR. It makes sense their receiving production is similar but I think that's just the result of how the Bengals use him vs how the Eagles use Goedert. Gesicki also had awful years in his last in Miami and one in NE. The Bengals was a bounce back year. 

Just now, Road to Victory said:

I really liked CJGJ but I don’t understand why people are down on Brown. Whenever he’s played, he’s always around the ball. His only problem is that he’s a little too aggressive and misses some tackles but that’s something they can work on. I think he’s a guy with big play ability. 

The bolded is precisely the problem.  It CAN be worked on.  But, last time we've really seen him a lot on defense, he was flying around at 100 mph and missing tackles left, right and center.  We don't know that that has improved.   We can hope.  But, we really don't know.

Just now, Road to Victory said:

I really liked CJGJ but I don’t understand why people are down on Brown. Whenever he’s played, he’s always around the ball. His only problem is that he’s a little too aggressive and misses some tackles but that’s something they can work on. I think he’s a guy with big play ability. 

Hes a heat seeking missile that can’t hit a warm target

Just now, wussbasket said:

CJ gave up the most TDs out of all safety's in the NFL, allowing 9. Several players are tied for 2nd with 6 TDs allowed.

Wow.  That's a big number.  The Eagles only surrendered 22 total!  

18 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The funny thing with Bryce Huff is that, on paper, he should be a better fit here than anywhere else.  Ignoring 2024 for a second...

Undersized fastball who has been very disruptive as a #3 edge, questions about playing full time snaps, but a prototypical rotational pass rusher.

Isn't that exactly what we need behind Smith and Hunt?  Or is the emotional damage from his 2024 season in Philly so severe that he just needs a change of scenery?

The only way we will know the answers to those questions is to give it a try … at OTCs and TC an Preseason.