3 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I havent seen anything from dickerson to suggest hes going to get better

Hes declined every year since 2023 and theres know reason to think after more injuries hes going to be better.

Youre the second person thats suggested dickerson needs to get in better shape, dickerson didnt suck this year because hes fat, hes always been a big kid even in college, and even at 330+ in college he was doing cartwheels in interviews, he had uncommon athleticism and agility for a man of his size. That athleticism and agility is long gone and its not because hes fat, hes always been fat, its because his knees are held together with duct tape and super glue and thats not getting better.

The way dickerson is gong he'll be using a walker at 35☹️

He wasnt functional this year and I dont think losing 20 pounds is gonna miraculously cure his made of saw dust knees.

My knees are trash, I hurt my knee when I was 12 and hurt it 6 more times after that, I weigh 155 lbs, if i lost 20 pounds my knees would still be trash, dickersons knees are past the point where " getting in shape" is going to do little more than keep him out of a wheel chair in a few years.

imo I think if he got himself in better shape, he could’ve avoid breaking down as fast as he is. He is older now than when he was drafted so he should be taking better care of his body so it doesn’t deteriorate faster. Do I think losing 30 pounds is gonna change everything with his knees? No, but you can’t tell me if he didn’t get himself into better shape he might benefit from it. It is also not just his knees that he would be benefiting from by doing it. Like his endurance would be better. I felt like this year in general he looked bigger than he did in the previous seasons. You say 330 he might be closer to 340-345 this year.

I would add it would help if the eagles didn’t have to rush him back from having a knee injury in the preseason. That knee injury needed more than a couple weeks to come back from. add on got Another injury along the way. Imo i think he got it trying to compensate for his unstable knee he came back to quick from

Furthermore, Jordan mailata discussed this when training camp began. He talked about how he and guys along the OL still didn’t feel right in July coming off last year. People seem to think just because you have 6 months off that you’re just gonna recover and be what you were the previous season. Like this is Madden football and that when you start the next season, everybody’s back to 100% and you’re fine. The Eagles have played 9 extra playoff games going in to 2025. That is more than half a season. Then you add the fact that in two out of last 3 of them (prior to the year) they went into February playing.

Add on Becton wasn’t here but he was one of the worst guards in the league this year. I think some of that is not working with Stoutland, but he also just didn’t look like he was moving as well as last year when he did. Also had injuries. So 4 of the 5 starting eagles OL in 2024 dealt with injuries and got banged up. Maybe that’s all a coincidence. Or maybe it’s the residual effect of 2024.

Imo I tend to think their OL being banged up and injured hurt the eagles. Also believe contributing to that is the residual effect of a having to be a historic physically dominating run blocking team in 2024. I don’t think people understand just how much it took out of those guys to play at the level they did and be as physically dominating as they were week in and week out for 21 games and what they were asked to do to win games. Mailata, Dickerson, cam (even lane was still good but even he had games where it wasnt up to his standard which is rare when he has just 1) had issues this year. Again I don’t think it’s a coincidence that happened all at the same time. I said this last year before the season ended that IMO part of the reason I don’t think teams can repeat that 2000 yard rushing season is because it takes a big toll on your offensive line (as well as the back getting that many carry on the body).

The 8-9 season next year will get Sirianni canned

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

imo I think if he got himself in better shape, he could’ve avoid breaking down as fast as he is. He is older now than when he was drafted so he should be taking better care of his body so it doesn’t deteriorate faster. Do I think losing 30 pounds is gonna change everything with his knees? No, but you can’t tell me if he didn’t get himself into better shape he might benefit from it. It is also not just his knees that he would be benefiting from by doing it. Like his endurance would be better. I felt like this year in general he looked bigger than he did in the previous seasons. You say 330 he might be closer to 340-345 this year.

I would add it would help if the eagles didn’t have to rush him back from having a knee injury in the preseason. That knee injury needed more than a couple weeks to come back from. add on got Another injury along the way. Imo i think he got it trying to compensate for his unstable knee he came back to quick from

Furthermore, Jordan mailata discussed this when training camp began. He talked about how he and guys along the OL still didn’t feel right in July coming off last year. People seem to think just because you have 6 months off that you’re just gonna recover and be what you were the previous season. Like this is Madden football and that when you start the next season, everybody’s back to 100% and you’re fine. The Eagles have played 9 extra playoff games going in to 2025. That is more than half a season. Then you add the fact that in two out of last 3 of them (prior to the year) they went into February playing.

Imo I tend to think their OL being banged up and injured. Also believe contributed to by the residual effect of a having to be a historic physically dominating run blocking team in 2024. I don’t think people understand just how much it took out of those guys to play at the level they did and be as physically dominating as they were and what they were asked to do to win games. Mailata, Dickerson, cam (even lane was still good but even he had games where it wasnt up to his standard which is rare when he has just 1) had issues this year. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that happened all at the same time. I said this last year before the season ended that IMO part of the reason I don’t think teams can repeat that 2000 yard rushing season is because it takes a big toll on your offensive line (as well as the back getting that many carry on the body).

Its tough to " get in shape" when one cant walk.

Dickerson was already busted up from the grind of the superbowl run then hurt his knee again and just kept playing.

I maintained from the very beginning that coaches should have shut him down, PUP him then after the 6 weeks or whatever it is re evaluate and if hes still busted up shut him down.

He was useless this year and no amount of riding a bike was going to fix that.

Im not sure what his weight was is this year, he looks as fat as hes always been, hes just a big husky kid, his arm is wider than both my thighs together and hes got like zero muscle tone, hes just a big dude. I dont think weight is an issue I think his knees are the issue and losing 20 pounds isnt going to change that.

Its too bad because hes a special talent but his body, mainly his knees have failed him over and over again☹️ but then again Eagles knew the risks when they drafted him.

4 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Its tough to " get in shape" when one cant walk.

Dickerson was already busted up from the grind of the superbowl run then hurt his knee again and just kept playing.

I maintained from the very beginning that coaches should have shut him down, PUP him then after the 6 weeks or whatever it is re evaluate and if hes still busted up shut him down.

He was useless this year and no amount of riding a bike was going to fix that.

Im not sure what his weight was is this year, he looks as fat as hes always been, hes just a big husky kid, his arm is wider than both my thighs together and hes got like zero muscle tone, hes just a big dude. I dont think weight is an issue I think his knees are the issue and losing 20 pounds isnt going to change that.

Its too bad because hes a special talent but his body, mainly his knees have failed him over and over again☹️ but then again Eagles knew the risks when they drafted him.

It might not. But it’s not gonna hurt him to lose that weight so we could be better endurance during the course of a game and over the course of the season. His knees are what they are but losing the weight isn’t strictly about just his knees holding up.

That said I look at the five eagles offensive lineman that played in 2024. Becton wasn’t here but he started for the chargers. 4 out of the 5 dealt with injuries all year. 4 out the 5 saw a sizable drop off in performance (Becton was awful in LA; might’ve coach too). Feels like that’s not a coincidence when all of them have it in the same year. It feels more like what you did in 2024 took a toll on these guys. They couldn’t stay healthy and they couldn’t get themselves back to the performance they have become accustomed to.

1 hour ago, Ace Nova said:

Apparently there’s clips of Hurts just looking at the coaches in disbelief during the timeout.

No idea if that’s really what he was thinking or not but it did look that way.

168 passing yards on 35 attempts. 4.8 YPA. That is some putrid efficiency.

Can’t wait till KP is gone. Need to give the guys someone who can improve the schemes and concepts.

11 minutes ago, kiwieagle said:

168 passing yards on 35 attempts. 4.8 YPA. That is some putrid efficiency.

Can’t wait till KP is gone. Need to give the guys someone who can improve the schemes and concepts.

Drops and penalties didn't help. But I hope we find someone that can scheme mismatches instead of running the same crap route tree and formations play after play. How many times this year did they play against practice squad LBs and didn't exploit them. No RB wheel routes ,Texas routes, exploiting with Goedert. nothing. How does Purdy play well with back ups .. Shanahan dialed up some great stuff to get mismatches. Hell even their FB was making plays

29 minutes ago, kiwieagle said:

168 passing yards on 35 attempts. 4.8 YPA. That is some putrid efficiency.

Can’t wait till KP is gone. Need to give the guys someone who can improve the schemes and concepts.

If AJ catches those balls then it looks a lot better but I get your point. Our passing game is probably the worst in the NFL. I think it’s a combination of patullo and hurts.

30 minutes ago, kiwieagle said:

168 passing yards on 35 attempts. 4.8 YPA. That is some putrid efficiency.

Can’t wait till KP is gone. Need to give the guys someone who can improve the schemes and concepts.

There’s no way KP is back. That’s a done deal

Howie has a lot of work to do this offseason to get this team back to where it needs to be and to make some difficult decisions on some of these veterans. I don’t see how they can bring back this OC. There was just no continuity to the play calling or offensive flow. Play development, and playcalling was out of sync all season. The scheme was so basic the 49ers sent guys out there who haven’t played all year and still figured it out. Time for the Eagles to invest in a new OC. One that can stay around for a while.

Can someone explain to me how they trade AJ with a pre-June 1 trade dead money hit of almost $43 million?

3 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

I’ve watched that play a half dozen times - there was no one open - they called verticals against zone and every receiver was under neath - no chance of anyone getting open. That play is designed for receivers to blow past zone 20-30 yards downfield - not within the red zone underneath.

Craziest play I’ve ever seen called in that situation.

After a TO. Nick was good with it. Needs to go.

3 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I'll be honest. A small part of me is relieved that the season is over with. Spending another month going around in circles about KP, the OL, AJ Brown, the passing O would have been a challenge even for the sturdiest person. I'm kind of bored of the circularity of the same debates

We're still going to hear about it, but it'll get condensed down to the next week and everyone will move on coz of playoffs. Result.

3 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

I’ve watched that play a half dozen times - there was no one open - they called verticals against zone and every receiver was under neath - no chance of anyone getting open. That play is designed for receivers to blow past zone 20-30 yards downfield - not within the red zone underneath.

Craziest play I’ve ever seen called in that situation.

They ran it into Cover 4. That play was dead at the snap. Maybe you throw a jump ball up to AJ, but I can understand why Hurts wouldn’t trust him and instead Goedert even if it was into triple coverage.

In general, that performance was the epitome of the Eagles org this year. Periods of looking good with periods of the WTAF are they doing (across all phases). The negatives will be correctly dwelled upon because you see other teams with a sense of freedom and this team has been a little tense and staid. The no fun Eagles.

But as I've said a couple of times. This org performs better with a chip on its shoulder. I can't see anyone internally being pleased about the season; now its a case of who gets fired and when.

4 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

I'll be honest. A small part of me is relieved that the season is over with. Spending another month going around in circles about KP, the OL, AJ Brown, the passing O would have been a challenge even for the sturdiest person. I'm kind of bored of the circularity of the same debates

We're still going to hear about it, but it'll get condensed down to the next week and everyone will move on coz of playoffs. Result.

I'm not letting this go for a while. So angry with Nick and KP and what should have been. Easiest path in forever and they do that? F Nick.

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

I'm not letting this go for a while. So angry with Nick and KP and what should have been. Easiest path in forever and they do that? F Nick.

Fire both of them then?

Although I think that's also serious hyperbole and just recency bias. The 2022 (early 2023) path was WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY easier just by nature of having the one seed alone, not to mention playing the Giants, and then the 49ers with exactly 0 QBs. I think people forgot how easy of a coast that was.