25 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Gotta boost Hurts % above the OL. OL hurt Barkley, but they pass blocked well enough for Hurts to be more successful than he was. And if you say he needed the OL to give him a run game to support him, then thats still his fault he couldnt throw the ball without everything being perfect. Lots of teams throw the ball well without a good run game. QB definitely hurt the offense more than the OL. If they couldnt pass block this year it would have been different.

Hurts is the only QB in the playoffs that did not have 200 yards of total offense. Eagles ran the ball significantly better than the Bills. Herbert got 200 yards while taking a beating behind an offensive line that was not good enough to be in the playoffs. Sometimes the QB needs to elevate those around him, and Jalen is not a guy who can do that. He needs everything around him to be almost perfect.

2 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

Being entirely flippant, and contrarian under Sirianni,, the Eagles have made the playoffs each year that he is HC, been to the SB twice, winning once. There is more to running a successful team than Xs and Os, so while Sirianni may have not have his fingers deep in the O pie, it doesn't negate the effectiveness of a leader or diminish their impact. A contrarian would say the fact a team with a lot of yuge egos in it, that hasn't imploded in his time a HC, shows the signs of a strong leader and collective culture.

Especially when comparing it to the trainwrecks in the NFC East; Gints are just pathetic, the Commies are back to sniffing themselves for doing nothing and the Cowboys... Traded their best D player and managed to end up with no real strategic value from it.

This result yesterday will sting and cause repercussions internally across all parts of the Eagles Org. That is for sure. Firing Sirianni is easy, but if you look at which HCs have kept their jobs for less success, you can say its a little OTT. But I very much understand why people want it.

That whole argument isn't based in fact. The hottest coach in the market is a CEO head coach. The team just won the SB by a huge margin anf has won a lot. But people are in their feelings so they just say stuff with no factual basis

2 minutes ago, Lambo said:

Hurts is the only QB in the playoffs that did not have 200 yards of total offense. Eagles ran the ball significantly better than the Bills. Herbert got 200 yards while taking a beating behind an offensive line that was not good enough to be in the playoffs. Sometimes the QB needs to elevate those around him, and Jalen is not a guy who can do that. He needs everything around him to be almost perfect.

I didn’t watch the other game last night…but I just watched a video complaining about the Chargers OL. In this video i watched Herbert stand in a clean pocket for 5 seconds and fall over.

"Son, this is the danger of watching a Kevin Patullo offense."

The traumatized baby is all of us.

2 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

That whole argument isn't based in fact. The hottest coach in the market is a CEO head coach. The team just won the SB by a huge margin anf has won a lot. But people are in their feelings so they just say stuff with no factual basis

If you’re insinuating that Harbaugh is the hottest coach on the market. I couldn’t disagree more…

5 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I like your optimism that if they get a better play caller, they’ll have a better offense. Can’t get much worse in term of play calling then what we saw this year.

However, I look at the totality of this team, I wouldn’t be entirely that shocked if they took another step back next year. First we’ve been really fortunate not to have a boat load of major injuries the last couple years. Feels like at some point you always run into it.

Then Look at who they may potentially lose. There’s a chance you lose Dallas goedert, Blankenship, Phillips, dean, Graham and lane (i think he comes back) may retire. This doesn’t include the fact AJ is an huge question mark to be back. Losing Dotson as well so a starter and a no 3 wr. also add to the fact you still need a number two corner. Essentially you might need to draft/sign a starting S and depth at S, starting WR and backup WR, starting TE and backup TE, depth at DE, starting corner and depth at corner. All while also likely trying to get your future RT and hoping Cameron Williams makes the jump as Fred Johnson is a FA.

The Eagles also don’t have significant cap space comparative to a lot of other teams. It’s not awful by any means. When they release Michael Carter and maneuver some smaller stuff around they should have around 30+ million dollars however the Eagles are coming up close to having this sign some of these guys on defense that are mainstays. Davis needs a new deal. Carter is eligible for a new deal. Nolan smith is eligible for a new deal. Q, dejean and some others. I don’t think they could just go into free agency and spend like they used too.

I am not saying they’re definitively going to be worse next year. What I’m saying is I don’t think it would surprise me if this team took another step back in 2026

It’s not just a "better play caller.” I see that distinction you made. I’ve heard for months,

"Oh well it’s not actually Patullo, it’s Sirianni.”

"It’s not Patullo, it’s the OL.”

Of course the problem boils down to Sirianni being a simple offensive mind, but WE KNEW THAT. Yet, Lurie/Howie approved Patullo’s promotion. After your alcoholic employee wins employee of the month, you don’t reward him by taking him to the bar.

What you’re describing is the entire reason the Patullo promotion was such a disaster in the 1st place. There’s only so many years in your franchise’s history you can allocate so much spending to offense. There’s only so many years you get 10/11 starters playing all year. We’re going to lose guys - injury, free agency, the AJ Brown situation.

And yet, this coaching brain trust on offense - Patullo inarguably being the 2nd most influential at least - continued doing the same thing over and over. Condensed formations. Calcaterra run blocking. Useless motion, that seemed to nothing more than take the motioning player out of the play. That’s not just playcalling, that’s a hell of a lot more.

The OL seemed to magically run block better when we ran out of 11, and yet…

And what was our big wrinkle for the playoffs? Did we stop the under center, condensed formation, 12 personnel garbage that derailed our run game just as much as any injury we suffered all year? Nope. We lined up Devonta Smith in the backfield for like 3-4 plays and pretty much did the same thing we normally did all year. Again, that’s not just playcalling.

We were 19th in points scored - that’s unacceptable no matter how much galaxy brained "context” you want to add.

If Howie/Lurie operate the way they have in the past post-disaster, not only is Patullo gone, but the offensive philosophy will dramatically change too. And because of that, especially given the OC talent available right now, I’m optimistic.

Will we have a net better team next year given possible losses on defense? Remains to be seen. Will we net use the talent we do have to closer to the best of their abilities? In my opinion, no question. That’s worth being optimistic about.

2 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

I didn’t watch the other game last night…but I just watched a video complaining about the Chargers OL. In this video i watched Herbert stand in a clean pocket for 5 seconds and fall over.

He had some time occasionally, but Pats went 5 plus rushers most of the game, and he took an absolute beating. He took a hit in the 4th quarter that I didn't think he would get up.

In the second half once he realized they could not protect him, he was picking his spots and running immediately. If Jalen Hurts ran with the conviction of Justin Herbert last night the Eagles would have won yesterday.

4 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

That whole argument isn't based in fact. The hottest coach in the market is a CEO head coach. The team just won the SB by a huge margin anf has won a lot. But people are in their feelings so they just say stuff with no factual basis

Quite.

I do think KP needs to go tho. Its not worked well enough to justify a 2nd year. The OC needs to have more than he's shown this year.

29 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I think youve seen my countless posts that explain that the scheme was the way it was because of Hurts. If you dont believe me you can look to numerous direct quotes from Hurts himself. Itll look much the same next season regardless of which big name O coordinator we manage to hire.

Nah. The game planning and play calling was just as bad - if not worse - with McKee.

If there were actual plays designed for specific style of QB we would have seen them run when McKee was in - and it wasn’t the case. They ran the most predictable "drop back” passing game, ignoring quick slants etc when McKee was in (especially after McKee was obviously rattled after the interception) - almost every play was a medium to deep route etc . They should have gone to short routes in order for him to get his confidence back.

It just shows the coaching staff was never really "in sync” with its players strengths.

6 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

If you’re insinuating that Harbaugh is the hottest coach on the market. I couldn’t disagree more…

He is. The day after his firing, there was reports that as many as 9 teams had reached out to him to gauge his interest in coaching them. Taking out the Ravens, there is 7 other openings. That means at least two teams with a HC made contact.

It is my belief that Jalen Hurts will complicate the OC search. Guys like Mcdaniels want to run a certain offense and Hurts may not have what it takes for them to run their blueprint. I understand that Hurts led offenses have gotten 2 OCs HC jobs. It’s also gotten 2 OCs fired. He’s limited with scheme and I really think some of these more creative guys aren’t going to want to hitch their wagon to that.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

It is my belief that Jalen Hurts will complicate the OC search. Guys like Mcdaniels want to run a certain offense and Hurts may not have what it takes for them to run their blueprint. I understand that Hurts led offenses have gotten 2 OCs HC jobs. It’s also gotten 2 OCs fired. He’s limited with scheme and I really think some of these more creative guys aren’t going to want to hitch their wagon to that.

That is what complicates this for the Eagles. Kellen Moore was able to make it work as he worked with Justin Herbert who can be erratic, but was also helped out by one of the 10 best rushing seasons in NFL history. Steichen had the advantage of Hurts running a bunch, and there was really no film to study on what they were going to be as an offense. But after 17 games, Todd Bowles had it figured it. "He can't read", and it is still a problem.

20 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

If you take away Saquon’s big game against the Giants (14-150) then he averaged 3.7 yards per carry this season. We were constantly in second and long and for some reason were locked into running on those downs. It’s hard for any QB to thrive in those situations. It was just a perfect storm of slop.

One area that seems to be missed by a lot of fans is the run designs Moore implemented last season after game 4.

Moore implemented creative run designs (even though many casual fans do not notice). He had diversion type runs that were able to get Barkley into the 2nd level on a regular basis - rarely getting slammed behind the line of scrimmage like he was 10 times a game this season.

People can blame the offensive line all they want - and yes that was part of the problem this year - but when you’re calling vanilla runs up the middle 90% of the time, what do you expect?

Here's the Eagles FA list to consider for resigning, releasing, etc.:

• TE Dallas Goedert

• S Reed Blankenship

• DL Jaelan Phillips

• ED Azeez Ojulari

• WR Jahan Dotson

• DL Brandon Graham

• P Braden Mann

• ED Joshua Uche

• TE Kylen Granson

• G Matt Pryor

• LT Fred Johnson

• RB A.J. Dillon

• LB Nakobe Dean

• ED Ogbonnia Okoronkwo

• G Brett Toth

• FB Ben VanSumeren (RFA)

• QB Sam Howell

• TE Grant Calcaterra

28 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Good morning everyone! Happy No Patullo Monday! After a terrible night of sleep, i wake up relieved knowing that we at a minimum will be looking for a new OC. Going to be a fun off season with lots to discuss.

Has that been officially announced yet?

23 minutes ago, greend said:

You have to put AJ "always open" Brown in for a percent or two

He was open... he just forgot that that means that when the ball comes he's expected to catch it. Being open isn't good enough.

Seems like a lot of people saying AJ will be and should be traded. I’ve said multiple times that AJ is heavily on the downslope.

But this pass offense is horrible. What happens when you take a 1,000 yard receiver away from an already horrible passing offense?

You want to neglect the OL and draft a WR round 1? We can’t afford to buy one. Who the hell is going to be wr 2 on this already terrible passing offense?

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Has that been officially announced yet?

No.

I wonder if they could player for player trade AJ for another malcontent wr?  

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Seems like a lot of people saying AJ will be and should be traded. I’ve said multiple times that AJ is heavily on the downslope.

But this pass offense is horrible. What happens when you take a 1,000 yard receiver away from an already horrible passing offense?

You want to neglect the OL and draft a WR round 1? We can’t afford to buy one. Who he hell is going to be wr 2 on this already terrible passing offense?

Anyone who has eyes should have seen that the offense went downhill then moment they tried to appease AJ Brown this season.

Although the offense was never great - they were doing "enough” to win games - they were beating the better teams on the schedule - even though many of the wins "looked ugly” they were still wins.

Then the AJ drama played out - they decided to start going to him on a regular basis - and the losses began to Pyle up.

This is what happens when you put one player above the team.

Where would our OC job rank? The Lions have to be first. Sounds like the Chargers job is opening, and then you have all the open HC jobs that will need a OC.

Most of the former HCs will get a new HC job. There just aren’t a lot of good options of guys who weren’t HCs

37 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Clown on and off the field

Brown deserved a kick in the ass last night, he didn't give 100% on two plays in the same drive, you throw Smitty that long pass that AJ didn't track in the wind and maybe he doesn't catch it, but I know for damn sure he'd have laid out and dived to try and catch it even if he knew he was getting a kicking on his way down.

AJ has been bad vibes most of the damn year and truth be told he could've had a rocket off coach in a few games this year, instead they bent over backwards forced the passing offense through him, to the detriment of Smitty and Goedert who were both on career year pace in terms of yards when we did it and the offense went backwards because of it, and he still sulked 75% of the year.