32 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

If the strategy is to continue to have Hurts be the QB of this team, which I don’t see them moving off of, then the number one priority has to be the offensive line and getting the run game back to the level that it was last year. Or at least somewhere close to it. I think Barkley and Bigsby is a great combo for next year and I wasn’t as down on Saquon as some were this year. I think the offensive line did him zero favors and he was hit behind the line of scrimmage nearly every other snap.

Yup. His dancing was a product of being hit in the backfield so often again. He must have felt he was back with the Giants again.

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

"You want Willy Nilly?”

Durrrr

3 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Man that sounded terrible. Is he fired yet?

"relief" is not a word I would use to describe how I feel. I'm still incredibly disappointed and embarrassed for how poorly the players performed and mostly how incompetent the coaches looked.

The entire DL was a no show. I guess the upside is they could try to sign Carter after his dud of a year. Baun took a big step back this year. Quinyon was not prepared and set the tone for the whole night, he needed to be better.

IMO the biggest indictment on a coach is failing to get the most out of players and that was our offense all season.

And now we have to eat a ish sandwich and bring Siri back yet again just because. IMO it could go very, very bad next season. He had almost no responsibilities this season and it was one of the worst coaching performances you'll see. If they don't come out of the gates looking competent, they risk wasting another season just for public perception.

1 hour ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Fire both of them then?

Although I think that's also serious hyperbole and just recency bias. The 2022 (early 2023) path was WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY easier just by nature of having the one seed alone, not to mention playing the Giants, and then the 49ers with exactly 0 QBs. I think people forgot how easy of a coast that was.

Earning the 1 seed made it easier. This team couldn't earn the 1 seed, or the 2 seed, and by record were the 4th best in the NFC this year.

And the 2022 team beat the 49ers with no QBs because they got to both of their QBs and knocked them from the game. They didn't come into the game like that, the Eagles' pass rush made it like that.

Meanwhile, this year the 49ers came in with their 6th and 7th LBs. Do we not dismiss their defense as sucking the same way you dismiss the 49ers in 2022 for not having a QB? Or do we ignore that the 49ers defense was terrible because it shut down this terrible offense?

Seems you are bending WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY over backwards trying to rewrite the past to find a way to forgive the present. 🤔. This should have been an easy coast... if the offense was even an average offense. It's not. It's the Jets offense with the occasional TD drive mixed in to give us false hope.

3 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

imo I think if he got himself in better shape, he could’ve avoid breaking down as fast as he is. He is older now than when he was drafted so he should be taking better care of his body so it doesn’t deteriorate faster. Do I think losing 30 pounds is gonna change everything with his knees? No, but you can’t tell me if he didn’t get himself into better shape he might benefit from it. It is also not just his knees that he would be benefiting from by doing it. Like his endurance would be better. I felt like this year in general he looked bigger than he did in the previous seasons. You say 330 he might be closer to 340-345 this year.

I would add it would help if the eagles didn’t have to rush him back from having a knee injury in the preseason. That knee injury needed more than a couple weeks to come back from. add on got Another injury along the way. Imo i think he got it trying to compensate for his unstable knee he came back to quick from

Furthermore, Jordan mailata discussed this when training camp began. He talked about how he and guys along the OL still didn’t feel right in July coming off last year. People seem to think just because you have 6 months off that you’re just gonna recover and be what you were the previous season. Like this is Madden football and that when you start the next season, everybody’s back to 100% and you’re fine. The Eagles have played 9 extra playoff games going in to 2025. That is more than half a season. Then you add the fact that in two out of last 3 of them (prior to the year) they went into February playing.

Add on Becton wasn’t here but he was one of the worst guards in the league this year. I think some of that is not working with Stoutland, but he also just didn’t look like he was moving as well as last year when he did. Also had injuries. So 4 of the 5 starting eagles OL in 2024 dealt with injuries and got banged up. Maybe that’s all a coincidence. Or maybe it’s the residual effect of 2024.

Imo I tend to think their OL being banged up and injured hurt the eagles. Also believe contributing to that is the residual effect of a having to be a historic physically dominating run blocking team in 2024. I don’t think people understand just how much it took out of those guys to play at the level they did and be as physically dominating as they were week in and week out for 21 games and what they were asked to do to win games. Mailata, Dickerson, cam (even lane was still good but even he had games where it wasnt up to his standard which is rare when he has just 1) had issues this year. Again I don’t think it’s a coincidence that happened all at the same time. I said this last year before the season ended that IMO part of the reason I don’t think teams can repeat that 2000 yard rushing season is because it takes a big toll on your offensive line (as well as the back getting that many carry on the body).

I do think Dickerson improved towards the end of the season, he still wasn't near last years level but he was better than early season, on the other hand Jurgens was a disaster all season and should've been sat down and told to get healthy for a full off season programme in 2026, the fear I have is that his heart just isn't in it any more, he's not confident in his back and he's phoning it in for the dollars. They need to find out and they need to be willing to put in a back up if his struggles continue into '26.

I mean the offense was terrible all season and we did nothing to correct it. What magic did we expect to happen yesterday?

9ers will get destroyed next week and we would have been embarrassed by whoever we played. I doubt we would have beaten the Pathers

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

Would have preferred throwing to Smith or Brown(even with the drops) than triple coverage

And AJ was 1v1…

The Eagles ranked 25th in yards per drive, 21st in points per drive and led the NFL in three-and-outs this season.

I think I’d put it at 55 percent scheme, 25 percent OL regression, 20 percent Jalen.

I can be convinced to bump up the scheme a bit because a predictable run scheme exacerbates the OL play, and I think it’s fairly obvious that Hurts is a quarterback you can win with but he doesn’t elevate those around him.

1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:

And AJ was 1v1…

So was Smith... and that's my target. Brown was checked out yesterday.

22 minutes ago, greend said:

I mean the offense was terrible all season and we did nothing to correct it. What magic did we expect to happen yesterday?

I did see some saying we were going to let loose in the playoffs because Hurts always turns it up

He did in fact not turn it up

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

The Eagles ranked 25th in yards per drive, 21st in points per drive and led the NFL in three-and-outs this season.

I think I’d put it at 55 percent scheme, 25 percent OL regression, 20 percent Jalen.

I can be convinced to bump up the scheme a bit because a predictable run scheme exacerbates the OL play, and I think it’s fairly obvious that Hurts is a quarterback you can win with but he doesn’t elevate those around him.

Quite the contrary, actually. He is elevated by those around him. His best skill is that he doesn't make the killer mistake. But, he's not putting the team on his back and willing them to victory playing with a bunch of nobodies, elevating them to success. For all that people want to rag on Carson Wentz (and his ending was bad here, no doubt), his 2019 season was outstanding from a production standpoint. To throw for 4000 yards with no single wide receiver going over 500 yards is an accomplishment. Doing it with the likes of Travis Fulgham, Greg Ward, JJAW, Agholor, a broken down Jeffery, a broken down Desean Jackson and by the end of the season, Deontay Burnett, is just amazing. I always wonder what would have been with him had he had the talent around him that Jalen has, and if he hadn't had the ACL/LCL injury and the shot to the back of his skull by Clowney.

Instead, we have Hurts, who is a guy who generally won't make the big mistake, but rarely makes the offense better with his arm.

Is he gone yet?

One thing for sure, they stayed true to themselves in the playoffs.

29 minutes ago, greend said:

I mean the offense was terrible all season and we did nothing to correct it. What magic did we expect to happen yesterday?

They played about as well as I thought they'd play and it would have been enough to win if the Niners hadn't come up with those big plays. Our only chance was to win games 17-13. KP is gone and I suspect there will be other changes as well. One thing they must do is use the draft on the OL. At least one pick and maybe two.

3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I did see some saying we were going to let loose in the playoffs because Hurts always turns it up

He did in fact not turn it up

For a dual threat QB, he sure doesn't do the dual part very well anymore. And if he isn't going to help the offense by using his legs, he damn well better be lighting it up through the air. For as good as Hurts was last year, as exciting as the SB was with the dagger and the all-time cigar smoking picture, Hurts didn't really elevate his game this year.

We can all hate KP and rightfully so, but remember:

"THIS OFFENSE IS GOING TO LOOK THE WAY JALEN HURTS WANTS IT TO LOOK LIKE"

At a minimum, Patullo, Elliot and Blankenship need to go.

I do thinks its time for Jake to go. The moment you don't implicitly trust a kicker, its over for them; I'm there with him. Massive respect to him for all he has done as an Eagle, but 2 years in a row we've been there hoping he'd make kicks.

Just now, UK Eagle said:

I do thinks its time for Jake to go. The moment you don't implicitly trust a kicker, its over for them; I'm there with him. Massive respect to him for all he has done as an Eagle, but 2 years in a row we've been there hoping he'd make kicks.

Yep. The league and age has passed him by. He needs to go. NFL kickers are routinely blasting 60+ field goals, with accuracy.

It was a slog of a season. Most games were difficult to watch. They spoiled us with last season's success. They wouldn't have beaten the Bears. Not with this Offense. And the Defense is probably exhausted.

9 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

"relief" is not a word I would use to describe how I feel. I'm still incredibly disappointed and embarrassed for how poorly the players performed and mostly how incompetent the coaches looked.

The entire DL was a no show. I guess the upside is they could try to sign Carter after his dud of a year. Baun took a big step back this year. Quinyon was not prepared and set the tone for the whole night, he needed to be better.

IMO the biggest indictment on a coach is failing to get the most out of players and that was our offense all season.

And now we have to eat a ish sandwich and bring Siri back yet again just because. IMO it could go very, very bad next season. He had almost no responsibilities this season and it was one of the worst coaching performances you'll see. If they don't come out of the gates looking competent, they risk wasting another season just for public perception.

I think the Siri hate is too much, he's not the first head coach to show loyalty to staff and players who have done alright by him in the past, nor is he the only head coach to fail to win it all with a stacked roster, the offense was a steamroller by the end of last season, none of us could foresee it was going to fall apart like it did, he SHOULD have made changes to the interior offensive line to help the run game when the issue was glaring early season, which would have helped a lot of everything else, but would changing OC midseason have helped significantly or would it have just resulted in a 2023 Defense situation where no one knows WTF they're doing and it all goes to hell?

Kellen Moore would not have got that much more out of this offense, if Patullo had a 2000 yard running game the offense would have looked closer to last year, that's not to excuse Patullo, his playcalling has been pedestrian and predictable throughout, but the entire offensive scheme is predicated on having a running game contribute a lot and this year Saquon struggled all year to put up less yards than Miles Sanders in 2022, given the talent differential that is instructive of where the problem is, Patullo hasn't helped not by a damn sight, but the problems with run blocking has made the offenses problems look worse than they are.

Also it should be said that Patullo was way more creative inside the 10 than Moore ever was (which honestly makes me wonder who's fault the lack of creativity between the 20's ultimately was) our red zone offense was actually good, our issue was getting there.

The only way Sirianni is fired is if he refuses to change OC a la Doug / Press Taylor and Harbaugh / Moncken.

In other news, we’ll be picking 22nd or 23rd in the first round, depending on the outcome of the Pittsburgh and Houston game.

23 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

The Eagles ranked 25th in yards per drive, 21st in points per drive and led the NFL in three-and-outs this season.

I think I’d put it at 55 percent scheme, 25 percent OL regression, 20 percent Jalen.

I can be convinced to bump up the scheme a bit because a predictable run scheme exacerbates the OL play, and I think it’s fairly obvious that Hurts is a quarterback you can win with but he doesn’t elevate those around him.

Gotta boost Hurts % above the OL. OL hurt Barkley, but they pass blocked well enough for Hurts to be more successful than he was. And if you say he needed the OL to give him a run game to support him, then thats still his fault he couldnt throw the ball without everything being perfect. Lots of teams throw the ball well without a good run game. QB definitely hurt the offense more than the OL. If they couldnt pass block this year it would have been different.