I feel like they just need to deal with AJ…not deal him.

It’s completely silly to invest a draft pick in a starting WR when we run this offense with this qb. And if you trade AJ, that’s what you have to do. It’s a waste.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Gotta boost Hurts % above the OL. OL hurt Barkley, but they pass blocked well enough for Hurts to be more successful than he was. And if you say he needed the OL to give him a run game to support him, then thats still his fault he couldnt throw the ball without everything being perfect. Lots of teams throw the ball well without a good run game. QB definitely hurt the offense more than the OL. If they couldnt pass block this year it would have been different.

We ran an elementary school scheme in all facets of the offense. It was all predictable, run, pass. How often did we see a pass play with no one open, same routes over and over and over? The 4th down we ran 2 go routes and 2 in routes. While most years I was super critical of hurts, there’s not much any qb can do when the scheme is awful. It was a waste of a year by a bad HC and an even worse OC

1 hour ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

If the strategy is to continue to have Hurts be the QB of this team, which I don’t see them moving off of, then the number one priority has to be the offensive line and getting the run game back to the level that it was last year. Or at least somewhere close to it. I think Barkley and Bigsby is a great combo for next year and I wasn’t as down on Saquon as some were this year. I think the offensive line did him zero favors and he was hit behind the line of scrimmage nearly every other snap.

I agree with this, but that’s such an indictment of Hurts. "If we are gonna stick with this guy at qb, we better commit to a historic run blocking OL and running game, because our pass offense sure won’t help.”

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I feel like they just need to deal with AJ…not deal him.

It’s completely silly to invest a draft pick in a starting WR when we run this offense with this qb. And if you trade AJ, that’s what you have to do. It’s a waste.

Well there’s also the fact that Howie doesn’t have a good history of drafting WRs. Smith was the exception and not the rule

1 minute ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

I think the Siri hate is too much, he's not the first head coach to show loyalty to staff and players who have done alright by him in the past, nor is he the only head coach to fail to win it all with a stacked roster, the offense was a steamroller by the end of last season, none of us could foresee it was going to fall apart like it did, he SHOULD have made changes to the interior offensive line to help the run game when the issue was glaring early season, which would have helped a lot of everything else, but would changing OC midseason have helped significantly or would it have just resulted in a 2023 Defense situation where no one knows WTF they're doing and it all goes to hell?

Kellen Moore would not have got that much more out of this offense, if Patullo had a 2000 yard running game the offense would have looked closer to last year, that's not to excuse Patullo, his playcalling has been pedestrian and predictable throughout, but the entire offensive scheme is predicated on having a running game contribute a lot and this year Saquon struggled all year to put up less yards than Miles Sanders in 2022, given the talent differential that is instructive of where the problem is, Patullo hasn't helped not by a damn sight, but the problems with run blocking has made the offenses problems look worse than they are.

Also it should be said that Patullo was way more creative inside the 10 than Moore ever was (which honestly makes me wonder who's fault the lack of creativity between the 20's ultimately was) our red zone offense was actually good, our issue was getting there.

The only way Sirianni is fired is if he refuses to change OC a la Doug / Press Taylor and Harbaugh / Moncken.

He wasted two out of three years with incompetent choices. We aren't hating him enough. He was carried by a roster Howie built and two coaches Howie handed him last year. This year he didn't make any adjustments when he saw things weren't working, his stupid philosophy of going turtle with the lead cost them over and over, and the guy needs a babysitter in big Dom because he is such a clown. We may be stuck with him but he is an anchor and I'm tired of his crap.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I feel like they just need to deal with AJ…not deal him.

It’s completely silly to invest a draft pick in a starting WR when we run this offense with this qb. And if you trade AJ, that’s what you have to do. It’s a waste.

Its possible a new offensive scheme appeases him next year. I dont think they have to trade him. I dont want to trade him because of the cap implications.

If they do trade him though, Ill be very ok with it based solely off of last night's game from him.

This is what I'm trying to wrap my head around.

What does Nick Sirianni realistically bring to the table?

If Jeff Lurie calls him in to his office on Monday and says Nick, make an argument for why I should keep you moving forward?

What's your plan for this team?

What is this team's identity and why did it not have one in 2025?

Who are your top 3 OC choices and why?

If your choice for OC is only here for 1 year, what's the succession plan?

How do you get the most out of Jalen Hurts?

How do you open up this offense and utilize it's best players?

How can you guarantee me that this team will be organized on game day?

Why can't you get plays in on time?

What is your vision for this team?

47 minutes ago, greend said:

I mean the offense was terrible all season and we did nothing to correct it. What magic did we expect to happen yesterday?

SECRET PLAYBOOK!

1 minute ago, Eriv20 said:

We ran an elementary school scheme in all facets of the offense. It was all predictable, run, pass. How often did we see a pass play with no one open, same routes over and over and over? The 4th down we ran 2 go routes and 2 in routes. While most years I was super critical of hurts, there’s not much any qb can do when the scheme is awful. It was a waste of a year by a bad HC and an even worse OC

I think youve seen my countless posts that explain that the scheme was the way it was because of Hurts. If you dont believe me you can look to numerous direct quotes from Hurts himself. Itll look much the same next season regardless of which big name O coordinator we manage to hire.

There is a reason Brady kept saying he had time

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

There is a reason Brady kept saying he had time

Without a doubt the OL did its part yesterday. That’s even more damning of the passing scheme. It sure didn’t seem like Hurts was missing open WRs.

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

There is a reason Brady kept saying he had time

Brady also called him out for bailing out of a clean pocket

Clown on and off the field

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Brady also called him out for bailing out of a clean pocket

Does this far too often and can't even scramble anymore. He bails out of the pocket, runs parallel to the LOS allowing defenders to close on him then throws the ball away.

Realitically if we weren't winning the SB (spoiler: we weren't) then losing early is probably for the best. We don't have any major injuries heading into next season and have a full list of OC candidates

Just now, pgcd3 said:

Realitically if we weren't winning the SB (spoiler: we weren't) then losing early is probably for the best. We don't have any major injuries heading into next season and have a full list of OC candidates

kinda sucks that we actually do still have the same major injuries from last season. We will question all offseason if Dickerson and Jurgens are recovered for next year.

We also have the Jalen Carter shoulder issues.

Boom. It's Nick's offense and philosophy of conservatism

13 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

This is what I'm trying to wrap my head around.

What does Nick Sirianni realistically bring to the table?

If Jeff Lurie calls him in to his office on Monday and says Nick, make an argument for why I should keep you moving forward?

What's your plan for this team?

What is this team's identity and why did it not have one in 2025?

Who are your top 3 OC choices and why?

If your choice for OC is only here for 1 year, what's the succession plan?

How do you get the most out of Jalen Hurts?

How do you open up this offense and utilize it's best players?

How can you guarantee me that this team will be organized on game day?

Why can't you get plays in on time?

What is your vision for this team?

Can’t be great without the greatness of others…

Good morning everyone! Happy No Patullo Monday! After a terrible night of sleep, i wake up relieved knowing that we at a minimum will be looking for a new OC. Going to be a fun off season with lots to discuss.

16 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I agree with this, but that’s such an indictment of Hurts. "If we are gonna stick with this guy at qb, we better commit to a historic run blocking OL and running game, because our pass offense sure won’t help.”

If you take away Saquon’s big game against the Giants (14-150) then he averaged 3.7 yards per carry this season. We were constantly in second and long and for some reason were locked into running on those downs. It’s hard for any QB to thrive in those situations. It was just a perfect storm of slop.

41 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I did see some saying we were going to let loose in the playoffs because Hurts always turns it up

He did in fact not turn it up

He ran for like 15 yards. Remember when he slid 3 yards short of the first? Turned it up baby!

10 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

This is what I'm trying to wrap my head around.

What does Nick Sirianni realistically bring to the table?

If Jeff Lurie calls him in to his office on Monday and says Nick, make an argument for why I should keep you moving forward?

What's your plan for this team?

What is this team's identity and why did it not have one in 2025?

Who are your top 3 OC choices and why?

If your choice for OC is only here for 1 year, what's the succession plan?

How do you get the most out of Jalen Hurts?

How do you open up this offense and utilize it's best players?

How can you guarantee me that this team will be organized on game day?

Why can't you get plays in on time?

What is your vision for this team?

Being entirely flippant, and contrarian under Sirianni,, the Eagles have made the playoffs each year that he is HC, been to the SB twice, winning once. There is more to running a successful team than Xs and Os, so while Sirianni may have not have his fingers deep in the O pie, it doesn't negate the effectiveness of a leader or diminish their impact. A contrarian would say the fact a team with a lot of yuge egos in it, that hasn't imploded in his time a HC, shows the signs of a strong leader and collective culture.

Especially when comparing it to the trainwrecks in the NFC East; Gints are just pathetic, the Commies are back to sniffing themselves for doing nothing and the Cowboys... Traded their best D player and managed to end up with no real strategic value from it.

This result yesterday will sting and cause repercussions internally across all parts of the Eagles Org. That is for sure. Firing Sirianni is easy, but if you look at which HCs have kept their jobs for less success, you can say its a little OTT. But I very much understand why people want it.

33 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

They played about as well as I thought they'd play and it would have been enough to win if the Niners hadn't come up with those big plays. Our only chance was to win games 17-13. KP is gone and I suspect there will be other changes as well. One thing they must do is use the draft on the OL. At least one pick and maybe two.

They played like i expected them to as well.........crappy

7 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

kinda sucks that we actually do still have the same major injuries from last season. We will question all offseason if Dickerson and Jurgens are recovered for next year.

We also have the Jalen Carter shoulder issues.

Fair point. Hopefully the extra month helps. That's the other part of this. A lot of the 'top talent' on the roster didn't perform at a top level and it wasn't from scheme.

50 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

The Eagles ranked 25th in yards per drive, 21st in points per drive and led the NFL in three-and-outs this season.

I think I’d put it at 55 percent scheme, 25 percent OL regression, 20 percent Jalen.

I can be convinced to bump up the scheme a bit because a predictable run scheme exacerbates the OL play, and I think it’s fairly obvious that Hurts is a quarterback you can win with but he doesn’t elevate those around him.

You have to put AJ "always open" Brown in for a percent or two