11 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

The problem, as you said is the cap hit. Spotrac has us at ~22mm in offseason cap space (based on top 51), and cutting Michael Carter gets that to just under $31mm. Setting aside ~$5.7mm for the draft picks, we are left with $25.2 million. I think we can save ~$7.2mm by extending JD, so that gets you back to $32mm, and Howie will want to carry at least $5mm into the season, so back to $27mm. With that, we need a TE, CB, S and tons of depth (we have less than 40 players under contract next year). Trading AJ before June 1 is basically impossible -- it's ~$20.2mm in an incremental cap hit, and now you need another starting WR and only have ~$7mm in cap space. Even that $6mm hit for Jake is a problem unless you make him a post June 1 cut.

We have no cap flexibility to take dead money hits in 2026.

What happens if they decide to trade AJ post June 1st? What does it look like and could a restructure of AJ's contract help?

10 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Herbert is running himself into the hospital. Maye won't be far behind.

All that running and they scored less than the Eagles did.

Maye deserves some leeway because he's younger but I'm so sick of everyone fawning over Herbert when he's the AFC Dak Prescott. But he's a "real QB" I guess

I'm looking forward to seeing that team with Alt and Slater back.

15 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

A lot will depend on what his true size is and how he tests. I’m trying to talk him down to pick 23!

I think hed be a steal there and again like you say a lot is going to come down to testing and what his height weight length and athletic numbers are

Hes listed at 6'3 250 but if combine shows him to be 6'1" and 235 thatll drop him.

He looks pretty long on tape but maybe its the black jerseys😁

5 minutes ago, Lambo said:

Man for man, there is not a player the Chargers have had on offense that you would trade the Eagle at the same position for.

I'd take Joe Alt or Rashawn Slater for Lane Johnson.

14 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Can they bring in a WR coach to teach how to run a scramble drill?

that has baffled me for years. It seems like early on the WRs were taught to block for Hurts. These days he runs a lot less and it often seems like they arent sure if they should block, or break off their routes and just get open.

I always wished we could run the russell wilson offense when Hurts is on the run and we could just have someone break open deep on the scramble drill all the time like Wilson always got.

Hurts didnt used to keep his eyes down field when he scrambled though. And now, we still just dont have our WRs running an effective scramble drill.

They drafted Hurts thinking he was their version of Wilson, and they never actually copied the thing about Wilson's game that made him so good. Scramble drills were how he made his living in the NFL.

6 minutes ago, RLC said:

I've been feeling this for a while, but a massive shakeup is needed. The defense has carried us for 2 straight years. Our best players on that side of the ball are all-pro level players (Carter, DeJean, Quinyon). That doesn't include above average players in Jordan Davis and Zack Baun. The defense can continue to carry us, BUT will get expensive.

As such, we need to get cheaper on offense. I would honestly trade both AJ and Jalen, fire Nick and rebuild the offense with younger, faster talent. Jalen is a player who does not elevate, but you can win with...well, if we're rebuilding on offense that doesn't work. AJ wants to leave, and NOW is the time to sell-high. Nick, well, it's time because you decide to waste this season on your BFF.

Give McKee the reigns. Use draft picks on OL, TEs and ONE WR with speed (something we don't have) and build this the right way. Do we take a step back in 2026? Maybe. But we can NOT run it back under any circumstances.

Hurts had a trash OC this year who did not bring out the best in him. I'm not a fan of his at all, but a good OC would have won the SB this year even with him.

IF the reports are true he was a bit of a diva in terms of not wanting to run stuff he needs to go in the next few years. He is either slowing down or unable to run. Both are problems, but he has a massive cap hit if traded this offseason. They do need to eventually move on like Seattle did with Wilson, though.

I'd be good with them rebuilding the OL, keeping DG for a year until they can find another option, and running it back one more year with a really good OC. Howie has the picks to get the rebuild in motion while also being in a good spot to win next year.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Maybe hear me out in 2021 an 2022 when the offense had good passing schemes that were functional and good, Shane Steichen was there. In 2023 when things start we going south (and it did outside of the cardinals game after the 10-1 start— heck passing game was awful in the jets game and they were down their entire secondary)and then their passing game was inconsistent and ranked 30th in 2024. Then not good in 2025.

Instead of Siani being able to go back to his well, like in 2021 in 2022 after Shane Staton left, the passing offense has gotten worse. So I could make the argument that once Shane Steen left the passing offense has gotten worse almost each consecutive year. At least in 2024 you could say they were efficient. However, the passing game and the concepts once Shane Steichen left have become stale and predictable over the last 3 years.

So we can blame it on Jalen hurts. I have no problem with that. I said in the past, he has flaws and he is limited in what he could do. If he’s not gonna run, it becomes an even bigger problem for this offense.

however, Nick Sirianni and the passing offense has not been able to functionally work as a consistent unit since Steichen left and gotten worse over time. I think that’s more damning than anything. You’re watching stuff from 2021 with Steichen. I’d go from 2023 onward after he left. can tell me well that was the only time he was calling plays and the offense looked like that but I would argue from the time he gave up play calling to Shane Steichen until Steichen left the offense got better over time

Also, we don’t have the facts to say how much of an influence Steichen was on the game plan when Nick was calling the plays. I can tell you this though when watching the Colts and when they try to use Anthony Richardson early in steichen’s HC career, their was designed very similar similarly to what the Eagles were doing in 2021 and 2022. Meanwhile, since he left in 2023, the Eagles offense has really not looked like that since then. Interesting how that works

Siri didn't have much experience calling plays. In Indy, Reich called the plays and they had Andrew Luck at QB. In San Diego, he didn't call plays except some preseason practice and he had Philip Rivers who was already an established passer. Rivers numbers were consistent most of his career, and Siri being with him didn't change that.

Everyone criticized Siri as play caller to start 2021 especially not running the ball. Steichen took over and the offense went better.

People have said the offense looked different from Steichen to Johnson to Moore and Patullo. If Siri had an offense, it would be similar.

What has Siri done since Steichen left to contribute to the offense? To fix and address the issues? This was the worst OC in his tenure, what did he do this whole season? At some point the Head Coach CEO has to make changes, make CEO decisions. Bring in a consultant, fire/demote the OC, take over play calling, insist on changes.

You can't blame Hurts for Nick holding back this wonderful offensive scheme, that's silly. The Head Coach for 5 years has allowed the team to be held back because of the QB??? He was MVP runner up in 2022. In 2023 he had higher passing numbers in several stats, but the INTs were killer. If the 2023 offense had the 2024 or 2025 defense they would not have collapsed.

The pass game struggled last year but they had a dominant run game and Siri was scared to death of turnovers. He made turnovers his top priority. Hurts and other players have complained about the coaching too conservative.

I do not buy that Nick Sirianni has this magical, successful offensive scheme that he has been sitting on and despite the collapse in 2023, the pass struggles in 2024 and the total epic failure this season he's just like nah, I can't pull out my genius offense because the QB can't run it.

That makes no logical sense. The reality is Nick had Rivers and Luck and didn't call plays. Now he has Hurts and needs an OC who coaches to his strengths, and Hurts has regressed as a runner which takes away his dual threat. They're stuck with Hurts at least another year so they need an OC who will coach to the roster's strengths until they're able to change the QB.

1 minute ago, SinCityEaglesFan2 said:

This is what I found on Over The Cap ...

Whats going on at Candelas Place?

6 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Unfortunately, I think he's going back to school - big story yesterday.

Sad. Didn't someone else have a good kicker coming out this year?

1 minute ago, SinCityEaglesFan2 said:

This is what I found on Over The Cap ...

So 45 mil dead money and a 21 mil cap hit?

If the return is good enough, I wouldn't put it out of the picture, tbh.

17 minutes ago, devpool said:

I'd say hurts is painfully average, flirting the line with below average when he doesn't run. Yesterday his pocket presence was atrocious, there were a couple plays on the last drive where he bailed on a perfect pocket and Brady called him out on it.

There are probably some average QBs Id feel much happier having. Statistically this year, all of his miniscule passing yardage games, not even average statistically either.

Hurts has a VERY tradable contract.

He does not have a cuttable contract.

So, I just can't do a really lengthy recap of that debacle, but here are some high level thoughts and then an idea on what's next. I watched the game at COSM in LA, which was pretty cool. And at least we helped our draft pick.

OFFENSE

• I'll skip my thoughts on Patullo for later, but just want to say of all the stupid things, to blow a timeout before the 4th and 11, and then call 4 verts...speechless.

• Hurts -- honestly, I'm not sure how to even evaluate him, or really most of the offense, when the coaching is so bad. All in all, I would call Hurts "fine" yesterday. Tough conditions, and if AJ could catch, we'd have looked much better. But seriously, who the hell was he supposed to throw to half the time? The is it Hurts of Patullo debate better be over after the last 2 weeks, because I have seen one of them succeed. I do feel like the lack of confidence in the OC was evident. Oh, and Shady, you have no sources - that's why you got fired from the dumbest channel on television.

• AJ, I mean, you're here next year because we are stuck with you, but you're never getting another big contract putting that crap on tape.

• Lane not suiting up seemed to be an emotional let down, but we were able to run in the first half. Then Saleh adjusted and KP cried.

DEFENSE

• They forced 2 turnovers, took away the running game, but got gashed by some big plays. Hard to really fault them or Vic. Not their best performance, but they did enough to win the game (kinda like Jalen, it was "fine).

• I'm just going to assume that Jalen Carter has slept with the daughters of every referee and umpire in the NFL, and therefore he will never draw a holding flag. Oh, and then Nolan Smith was brutally held on the last TD.

OK, now, Kevin Patullo -- get the eff off my team. I just can't comprehend how we kept doing the same thing over and over again. And for those who claim this is the Hurts offense -- it never looked this ridiculous from 2021-2024. Yes, Jalen has limitations and preferences, but good coaching maximizes strengths and challenges weaknesses. Jalen doesn't like throwing over the middle? Well, he did it last year for big plays when Kellen called it (mesh route to Goedert in New Orleans as an example). Steichen and Moore found ways to maximize Jalen, KP found ways to limit the whole offense. Losing a game where we won the turnover battle 2-0 hopefully is a wakeup call for Sirianni that this conservative BS can't keep happenning.

As for going forward, here's my dream wish list:

• Todd Monken or Brian Daboll as OC -- Monken's experience in Baltimore would be great, but I fear he'll end up going with Harbaugh. Daboll coached Jalen so that makes sense. Mike McDaniel and Jalen aren't really a great fit, IMO. Kingsbury could work as well.

• AJ stays because we can't take the cap hit. It is what it is.

• Extend JD, JC, and bring back Phillips and Blankenship.

• Exercise 5th year option on Nolan.

• Use the remaining ~$15mm to round out the roster (TE, CB2, Edge depth).

• Draft Lane's replacement.

Assumed extensions:

• 4 years, $100mm in new money for JD, makes it a 5 year, ~$113mm deal with the 5th year option.

• 3 years, $100mm in new money for JC, basically a 5 year, ~$129mm deal with his remaining year and 5th year option.

• 4 years, $100mm for JP

• 2 years, $18mm for Reed

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

that has baffled me for years. It seems like early on the WRs were taught to block for Hurts. These days he runs a lot less and it often seems like they arent sure if they should block, or break off their routes and just get open.

I always wished we could run the russell wilson offense when Hurts is on the run and we could just have someone break open deep on the scramble drill all the time like Wilson always got.

Hurts didnt used to keep his eyes down field when he scrambled though. And now, we still just dont have our WRs running an effective scramble drill.

They drafted Hurts thinking he was their version of Wilson, and they never actually copied the thing about Wilson's game that made him so good. Scramble drills were how he made his living in the NFL.

Yes he keeps his eyes downfield right before he throws the ball out of bounds.

Whens the last time hurts made a play down field running to his right.

He either runs for half a yard or throws the ball out of bounds, I guess at least he stopped running out of bounds behind the LOS🤷‍♂️

I fudged up guys - that was CUT post June 1... this is the TRADE post June 1 like he said.

Just now, RLC said:

Hurts has a VERY tradable contract.

He does not have a cuttable contract.

If some team offered 2 firsts for hurts i would do it in a heartbeat. The Eagles wouldn't, but i would. Bring the cost of this offense down a bit

1 minute ago, RLC said:

Hurts has a VERY tradable contract.

He does not have a cuttable contract.

Who would want him? The league sees the same thing we do. You can win with him IF every other aspect of your team is very good/elite. That's about it.

12 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

This is what I want if I’m being honest. There’s no easy way around it. There’s too much bloat on offense. I’m using some expiring contracts on defense as trade bait while trying to retain the key players.

It won’t be easy, but it’s needed.

Cant do it until after next season due to cap math

We will change the OC and try again, which is logical Given the talent we have

Hopefully Goederts cost is reasonable but if not cya

6 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

What happens if they decide to trade AJ post June 1st? What does it look like and could a restructure of AJ's contract help?

It would delay the cap hit until 2027 - you'd save ~$7mm in 2026 cap space, then have a ~$27mm cap hit in 2027. But, the issue is then you don't get a 2026 pick for him. So you create a roster hole and don't get anything to replace him this year.

Just now, devpool said:

If some team offered 2 firsts for hurts i would do it in a heartbeat. The Eagles wouldn't, but i would. Bring the cost of this offense down a bit

2 1sts? LOL!!!!

Just now, SinCityEaglesFan2 said:

I fudged up guys - that was CUT post June 1... this is the TRADE June 1 like he said.

Wow - he's easily tradeable post June 1st.

Send Mailata to Australia and tell him to just walk around until he can find someone to replace Jake.

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

Hurts has a VERY tradable contract.

He does not have a cuttable contract.

Can you explain further why it’s tradeable?

Remember: there were players on the 2023 defense that looked really bad and like they had given up effort. That was coaching.

Fangio took over and those guys all performed once they had proper coaching and accountability.

The players on offense have complained and been vocal, and you can see in their body language and facial expressions they don't trust the coaching.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

It would delay the cap hit until 2027 - you'd save ~$7mm in 2026 cap space, then have a ~$27mm cap hit in 2027. But, the issue is then you don't get a 2026 pick for him. So you create a roster hole and don't get anything to replace him this year.

Nevermind trading a tier 1 wr would be stupid