13 minutes ago, Eriv20 said:

Trade hurts next year. Bring in Chambliss with the same offense and we win a lot of games

Why waste a year then?

1 minute ago, DaBirds said:

Why waste a year then?

June 1st, do it.

The uneducated fanbase that hates Hurts calling for him to be traded not realizing he has a no trade clause, will be extended next offseason and be the QB for another 5 years at least.

On 3/31/2026 at 5:54 PM, RememberTheKoy said:

A-holes can’t count to seven.

Had some time to reflect on the Jalen story…

• I’m not sure I buy that Jalen called that four verts. The whole interaction seems off for it to be him calling the play. I would agree that he probably suggested the play call. The whole thing reflects poorly on everyone involved. Terrible suggestion by Hurts, and terrible job by the coaching staff.

• We’ve had this story come out and previously Fitzpatrick stating that this wasn’t Patullo’s fault. It seems clear that at least a couple of the sources were Patullo and Loeffler. Hurts is not a fit for all coaches based on his limitations. I think Patullo’s own limitations made him a disastrous match with Patullo because he could only sink further into his reliance on "playing the hits.”

• I think even Hurts’ defenders knew before this article that Hurts wasn’t comfortable with under center play action and throwing into tight windows (turnover aversion) and throwing over the middle. We know that he has ad-libbed plays in key situations and Sirianni covered for him (vs Seattle and GB).

• Hurts not being comfortable with the move to under center midway through the season makes sense. He has been a shotgun QB since entering college, maybe even before that. His issue was that it wasn’t repped enough in the offseason feels legitimate. He’s not the only QB who hates under center PA. Burrow doesn’t like turning his back to the defense either. Trying to push the "under center” button probably made the offense even more disorganized. Think of all the blown assignments we saw this year. Nothing about the offense seemed well-coached.

• Speaking of QB dislikes, Peyton Manning famously didn’t like motion. He wanted to see how the defense was set and go from there. Hurts obviously isn’t Manning, but noteworthy that arguably the smartest QB to ever play the game wasn’t comfortable with it either. Under center should be the main focus of the offseason.

• Building on the previous two points, it’s fascinating that we hired an OC from a coaching tree that famously uses motion, throws over the middle and plays under center. Doesn’t that seem odd considering all the complaints about Hurts in this article?

I’ve long been against any kind of big move using future first-round picks because I don’t believe Hurts’ game will age well. Once the mobility goes, like it did with Russell Wilson, what’s left isn’t good enough. Tying in with AJ Brown, the Eagles should be adamant about getting the Pats’ 2027 first-round pick. The Pats are due for regression against a better schedule. The OL is still a mess and Maye plays a reckless style. There’s a nonzero chance that New England really takes a big step back. If Hurts struggles in the new offense, we should be looking at a QB in what looks like a really good 2027 draft.

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

• Speaking of QB dislikes, Peyton Manning famously didn’t like motion. He wanted to see how the defense was set and go from there. Hurts obviously isn’t Manning, but noteworthy that arguably the smartest QB to ever play the game wasn’t comfortable with it either. Under center should be the main focus of the offseason.

I agree with most of your thoughts. I wonder why Manning hated motion though. You’d think it makes it so much easier to see what the defense is doing. At the very least if it man/zone

3 minutes ago, DaBirds said:

I agree with most of your thoughts. I wonder why Manning hated motion though. You’d think it makes it so much easier to see what the defense is doing. At the very least if it man/zone

He didn’t like that the defense would move along with the motion. He wanted it set and stationary because it was more predictable in his opinion. He always hated playing Polamalu because he would frequently make it up as he went and wouldn’t be where the coverage call actually dictated him to be.

3 weeks until the draft and I’ll see how I feel each week as the draft approaches but right now my gut is telling me:

Eagles either trade up for Monroe Freeling or stand pat(maybe a very slight trade down) for Max Iheanachor.

2 minutes ago, DaBirds said:

I agree with most of your thoughts. I wonder why Manning hated motion though. You’d think it makes it so much easier to see what the defense is doing. At the very least if it man/zone

If you’re Rivers or Manning you can probably pick up on other tells that typical QBs can’t, so motion to them is a superfluous tool that might clutter their radar.

Re: Motion.

Do you know which 2025 Eagles member hates motion the most? That would be Jeff Stoutland. Also a reason why he's not longer on the team.

Patullo was terrible. The OL took a step back. And Jalen wasn't good enough to carry the water.

We'll never know just how much of this stuff in these stories are true, but what I find most disconcerting about the reports if they are is the very basic stuff that Hurts doesn't feel comfortable doing, objects to doing, or petitions not to do to the coaches.

And it's not even stuff that doesn't match his skill set. It's not like he's going "I don't like to throw out routes because I don't think I have quite the arm strength to get it there before the defender can close.

It's stuff like "He doesn't like under center because he doesn't like turning his back to the defense." Umm... what? What is this, pop warner? That's basic football. Suck it the hell up man and start getting comfortable with it, what the hell. That's like an Italian chef telling the restaurant that hires them that they aren't comfortable making pasta.

I've never heard of something so ridiculous in my life about apparently not being comfortable doing the most basic things. Especially for someone who is apparently as much of a student of the game as people claim he is. How are you still not comfortable with these things by now? You're a coach's son, you played football your entire life. It's so bizarre.

34 minutes ago, DaBirds said:

I agree with most of your thoughts. I wonder why Manning hated motion though. You’d think it makes it so much easier to see what the defense is doing. At the very least if it man/zone

Manning was elite at post snap processing. Hurts is epic bad at it.

31 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

3 weeks until the draft and I’ll see how I feel each week as the draft approaches but right now my gut is telling me:

Eagles either trade up for Monroe Freeling or stand pat(maybe a very slight trade down) for Max Iheanachor.

Freeling is consistently being mocked in the top 10 now. Which is crazy, so it makes you wonder if people are hearing something about him going in that range.

22 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

We'll never know just how much of this stuff in these stories are true, but what I find most disconcerting about the reports if they are is the very basic stuff that Hurts doesn't feel comfortable doing, objects to doing, or petitions not to do to the coaches.

And it's not even stuff that doesn't match his skill set. It's not like he's going "I don't like to throw out routes because I don't think I have quite the arm strength to get it there before the defender can close.

It's stuff like "He doesn't like under center because he doesn't like turning his back to the defense." Umm... what? What is this, pop warner? That's basic football. Suck it the hell up man and start getting comfortable with it, what the hell. That's like an Italian chef telling the restaurant that hires them that they aren't comfortable making pasta.

I've never heard of something so ridiculous in my life about apparently not being comfortable doing the most basic things. Especially for someone who is apparently as much of a student of the game as people claim he is. How are you still not comfortable with these things by now? You're a coach's son, you played football your entire life. It's so bizarre.

well, Ive been telling you people...

21 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

It's stuff like "He doesn't like under center because he doesn't like turning his back to the defense." Umm... what? What is this, pop warner?

There’s only three seconds or less in the NFL from the snap until pressure off the EDGE causes duress and bad decisions. If you’re spending 1.5 to 2 seconds of it doing play action to the RB and getting to the 5-7 step drop it means he’s got to immediately see it downfield and pull the trigger. I’d wager he’s never practiced doing it with sufficient reps for it to be as second nature as pop Warner.

54 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

• I’m not sure I buy that Jalen called that four verts. The whole interaction seems off for it to be him calling the play. I would agree that he probably suggested the play call. The whole thing reflects poorly on everyone involved. Terrible suggestion by Hurts, and terrible job by the coaching staff.

That one play is a microcosm of the entire lost season on offense. One can see that play and see what they want to believe. One extreme:

Kevin Patullo struggled to integrate his concepts into the offense all year because Hurts either refused or was incapable. He knew he was being neutered and scapegoated by about mid-season and just passively went with the flow of an offense limited by what Hurts was and was not willing/able to do. Hurts called it and the staff was just resigned to it.

Alternatively, Patullo was a train wreck as an OC who could not design or call a rational offense. Hurts, not exactly Peyton Manning under center, was forced to take control of the offense at the LOS (and maybe on the sidelines too). That's not exactly his thing anyway. We don't know for sure that Hurts called it. And even if he did, there was no adult on the sidelines to redirect or actually design a play to maximize the chances of success.

That basically sums up their struggles all year...not just that 4th down play. Everyone will see what they want to see when deconstructing it.

Next year is going to tell the final story.

31 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

So you could flip this graphic by using the Eagles, Chiefs, and Bills respective general managers instead of their QBs. Are they both equivalent to Howie?

37 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Cherry picking stats

14 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

So you could flip this graphic by using the Eagles, Chiefs, and Bills respective general managers instead of their QBs. Are they both equivalent to Howie?

You don't think Brett Veach is a top end GM? Josh Allen enjoying as terrible of a division as Brady got the benefit of for his career.

What are our thoughts on Iheanachor going before 23?

Trade down right?

Freeling goes 8-15 in my opinion. Too rich for Howie.

3 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

What are our thoughts on Iheanachor going before 23?

Trade down right?

Max at 23 is likely and a good outcome. Would be surprised to see him go top 20.

Just now, RLC said:

Max at 23 is likely and a good outcome. Would be surprised to see him go top 20.

Starting to think with this weak OT class, someone reaches for him before 23.

What positions is 2027 supposed to be great for?