2 thoughts on the ESPN article.

1. It's kinda pointless because Lurie absolutely loves Hurts. Beyond his comments yesterday, he's always been overly effusive about Hurts in a way that he hasn't been for any player since Dawk. And losing Dawk caused Banner to lose his job. No matter that Patullo or others leak about Hurts, it doesn't matter if the big boss is all in. But I do think Hurts rejects coaching if he doesn't believe in the coach - it was clear he never had much respect for Patullo. Hopefully it's different with Mannion - the way Hurts talks about him is definitely better.

2. Maybe this is the former investment banker in me, but when you can't get basic facts correct, I question the veracity of everything you say.

5 minutes ago, just relax said:

I have no idea what his overall record of comeback wins is, but in 2023 he had four comeback wins down 10 or more points. I believe that ties an NFL record.

I feel like this has to be an Eagles record, I think jayden daniels had more than 4 his rookie year. Or maybe it was just 4, but I remember it was one of the things everyone talked about.

As an aside, I hate that stat because it's focused on an individual when they QB might not even have been responsible. Let's say a team is losing 10-7 in the 4th quarter with 3 minutes left and the QB has thrown 3 picks that day. Defense gets a pick on the opponent 20 yard line, on the first offensive play the RB houses it 80 yards for the go ahead score. Defense comes out and forces a 3 and out and the offense runs the clock out. From the few things I could find regarding criteria, the QB earns a "4th Qtr comeback". That's stupid.

Another one is if a team is down by 2, they kick a 62 yard field goal 3 minutes into the 4th quarter and offense goes 3 and out on their last 3 drives while the defense is getting stops/forcing turnovers. Also counts for the QB.

It's not your criteria, and these might not be applicable to any of Hurts's comebacks, I personally don't take comebacks into account when discussing QBs because many times a team is behind becasue of the QB anyway unless it's the Bengals

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/about/comebacks.htm

52 minutes ago, hputenis said:

The number of fans that deflect from this or won't admit this is staggering to me.

I don't disagree with this but I think the coaching had a bigger role. If Hurts was not running what was called, there was a solution available to the coaches.

47 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Been thinking where on the scale we are right now between "This is an organizational problem and every time the team has a down year, people out for themselves throw the QB under the bus to deflect blame" to "The last two franchise QBs haven't been that good and were more of a product of great roster construction and good fortune than them being great, and people in the organization know it and are just speaking honestly"

Because I do think history may prove the latter true. I don't think if the Eagles were to have another down season and trade Hurts away that this organization would really miss him if Howie continues to crush it.

Pre-ACL Wentz was a force to be reckoned with, hell even pre-Clowney concussion he was still making things happen with nothing at WR and JAGs at RB. He had flaws for sure (including mental fortitude post super bowl and hurts draft), but he certainly was not the product of great roster construction and he definitely was not a product of good fortune or else he would still be the QB here with a good knee and no concussion lol. Put Hurts, and most QBs tbh, on that 2019 Wentz team (4000 yards but no receiver had over 500) and we probably win 4 games.

I do agree with you though, the Seahawks just won a super bowl with Sam Fing Darnold, the Eagles do not need Jalen Hurts so long as Howie continues to nail his drafts. That's obviously easier said than done, but if he starts missing on his drafts the eagles don't need hurts anyway because he isn't going to elevate a team. Especially if he isn't going to be running anymore

6 minutes ago, devpool said:

Pre-ACL Wentz was a force to be reckoned with, hell even pre-Clowney concussion he was still making things happen with nothing at WR and JAGs at RB. He had flaws for sure (including mental fortitude post super bowl and hurts draft), but he certainly was not the product of great roster construction and he definitely was not a product of good fortune or else he would still be the QB here with a good knee and no concussion lol. Put Hurts, and most QBs tbh, on that 2019 Wentz team (4000 yards but no receiver had over 500) and we probably win 4 games.

I do agree with you though, the Seahawks just won a super bowl with Sam Fing Darnold, the Eagles do not need Jalen Hurts so long as Howie continues to nail his drafts. That's obviously easier said than done, but if he starts missing on his drafts the eagles don't need hurts anyway because he isn't going to elevate a team. Especially if he isn't going to be running anymore

Hawks won because their defense was amazing

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

This was the gist of it from Zangaro

There was a funny moment during Tuesday’s press conference when a reporter mentioned a potential upcoming contract for Jalen but didn’t specify which one. The reporter was talking about Jalen Hurts but Lurie took it as a question about Jalen Carter.

That led to this strange response from Lurie: "He’s a very good player and I’m optimistic but we don’t ever discuss contracts in any way. It’s the best way to go.”

That felt like faint praise for Hurts, whom Lurie has heaped praise upon plenty of times before. After the clarification, Lurie still didn’t want to get into any specific player’s contract — Hurts has three years left on the $255 million deal he signed in 2023 — but his tone definitely changed as he talked about the Eagles’ franchise quarterback.

"Oh, I love Jalen,” Lurie said. "There's no bigger fan of Jalen than me. Clutch Gene, absolutely. The guy, MVP of the Super Bowl 13 months ago, should have been MVP of the Super Bowl right before that against Kansas City the first time. Exceptional and so dedicated. I think you probably know, I spent a lot of time with Jalen, as I do with most quarterbacks, and incredibly dedicated to the game, to winning and being a huge winner. I love everything about him.”

I don't have any issue with that take from Lurie.

Hurts works incredibly hard, and has balled out in big games. He has holes in his game like any QB, and familiarity breeds contempt for QBs in this city like no other. But even his biggest detractors have to admit that Hurts has consistently played exceptionally well in the playoffs, and indeed that many of his best games were those that mattered most.

Carter is a phenomenal player who's coming up on a big deal. It's prudent not to say too much publicly given where he's at on timing with a new deal. And he's also a guy who's got some character concerns. All Lurie said here though was that he's a good player and that he's optimistic about a contract getting done.

Being tight lipped at this juncture for Carter seems totally fine.

Just now, JohnSnowsHair said:

I don't have any issue with that take from Lurie.

Hurts works incredibly hard, and has balled out in big games. He has holes in his game like any QB, and familiarity breeds contempt for QBs in this city like no other. But even his biggest detractors have to admit that Hurts has consistently played exceptionally well in the playoffs, and indeed that many of his best games were those that mattered most.

Carter is a phenomenal player who's coming up on a big deal. It's prudent not to say too much publicly given where he's at on timing with a new deal. And he's also a guy who's got some character concerns. All Lurie said here though was that he's a good player and that he's optimistic about a contract getting done.

Being tight lipped at this juncture for Carter seems totally fine.

I mean, it's rather obvious - they are currently negotiating an extension with Carter, so of course he will be tight lipped. Effusive praise will be used against them in negotiations, and any negative talk could backfire as an obvious attempt to talk down value (a.k.a., the classic Jerry Jones move).

They're not working on a Hurts extension as he is fully guaranteed for 2026 and partially for 2027, so he can speak more freely.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

I mean, it's rather obvious - they are currently negotiating an extension with Carter, so of course he will be tight lipped. Effusive praise will be used against them in negotiations, and any negative talk could backfire as an obvious attempt to talk down value (a.k.a., the classic Jerry Jones move).

They're not working on a Hurts extension as he is fully guaranteed for 2026 and partially for 2027, so he can speak more freely.

exactly.

it's a nothingberder drummed up by a media driven by engagement not facts.

4 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

I don't have any issue with that take from Lurie.

Hurts works incredibly hard, and has balled out in big games. He has holes in his game like any QB, and familiarity breeds contempt for QBs in this city like no other. But even his biggest detractors have to admit that Hurts has consistently played exceptionally well in the playoffs, and indeed that many of his best games were those that mattered most.

Carter is a phenomenal player who's coming up on a big deal. It's prudent not to say too much publicly given where he's at on timing with a new deal. And he's also a guy who's got some character concerns. All Lurie said here though was that he's a good player and that he's optimistic about a contract getting done.

Being tight lipped at this juncture for Carter seems totally fine.

Agreed, I think it's a reach to say it was not an endorsement of Jalen Carter given the context.

Just now, JohnSnowsHair said:

exactly.

it's a nothingberder drummed up by a media driven by engagement not facts.

Sadly, that's all the "media" does nowadays. We're living in the 24/7 hot take cycle, where facts and reality have no place. ESPN had actual reporters and informative shows once upon a time, now we have Get Up to Frist Take to McAfee...even NFL Live is basically just "analysts" pushing their personal brand (Orlovsky hyping mediocre QBs, Clark calling everyone boob, Spears sucking off Dallas). Mina Kimes is the only honest NFL analyst left.

Don't even bother with FS1...

Is Carter the last DT in the league that would be getting a big contract? I would assume Howie would want to get it done before the market hit which is usually his MO

47 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I don't disagree with this but I think the coaching had a bigger role. If Hurts was not running what was called, there was a solution available to the coaches.

This isn't a 1 year issue with Hurts.

31 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

2 thoughts on the ESPN article.

1. It's kinda pointless because Lurie absolutely loves Hurts. Beyond his comments yesterday, he's always been overly effusive about Hurts in a way that he hasn't been for any player since Dawk. And losing Dawk caused Banner to lose his job. No matter that Patullo or others leak about Hurts, it doesn't matter if the big boss is all in. But I do think Hurts rejects coaching if he doesn't believe in the coach - it was clear he never had much respect for Patullo. Hopefully it's different with Mannion - the way Hurts talks about him is definitely better.

2. Maybe this is the former investment banker in me, but when you can't get basic facts correct, I question the veracity of everything you say.

I don't think Patullo comes across well and neither does Sirianni. It also sounds like there were a lot of cooks but no one that was willing to take responsibility for the product.

9 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

This isn't a 1 year issue with Hurts.

No, it isn't a one season issue. The difference in the seasons that the team did better is that you had outside voices that likely were not trying to appease his worst tendencies. Patullo was unwilling to tell Hurts to stop doing what he was doing. Hurts clearly had no trust in Patullo's play design and instincts.

I wonder if Lurie is pissed that the day after he strongly endorses Hurts, that piece comes out.

Just now, Sack that QB said:

I wonder if Lurie is pissed that the day after he strongly endorses Hurts, that piece comes out.

I really don't think he cares. There's no point in getting aggravated by everything in the hot take media. Just ignore the noise and focus on improving the team.

17 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

No, it isn't a one season issue. The difference in the seasons that the team did better is that you had outside voices that likely were not trying to appease his worst tendencies. Patullo was unwilling to tell Hurts to stop doing what he was doing. Hurts clearly had no trust in Patullo's play design and instincts.

Moore listened too. The motion disappeared and the passing game sucked. Barkley bailed them out that year and got Moore a HC gig. Barkley didnt bail Patullo out this year.

10 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I wonder if Lurie is pissed that the day after he strongly endorses Hurts, that piece comes out.

I hope the eagles let that out just like they let out the D Jacc hit piece as a way to win over some fans with what would be an unpopular move to send that player packing. Hope Hurts is next.

I really like how the article mentioned that they interviewed over a dozen different sources. So the hurts defenders cant try to write it off as just one coward afraid to put his name on it. Its not one guy with an axe to grind. Its not just AJ Brown, or Patullo trying to save his name and bash Hurts.

As we have seen during the season, its a growing sentiment in the locker room with more and more people beginning to speak out.

WIP if Jalen Carter gets re-signed, AJ Brown ends up staying, and Jalen Hurts has a good year:

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2 hours ago, vikas83 said:

2 thoughts on the ESPN article.

1. It's kinda pointless because Lurie absolutely loves Hurts. Beyond his comments yesterday, he's always been overly effusive about Hurts in a way that he hasn't been for any player since Dawk. And losing Dawk caused Banner to lose his job. No matter that Patullo or others leak about Hurts, it doesn't matter if the big boss is all in. But I do think Hurts rejects coaching if he doesn't believe in the coach - it was clear he never had much respect for Patullo. Hopefully it's different with Mannion - the way Hurts talks about him is definitely better.

2. Maybe this is the former investment banker in me, but when you can't get basic facts correct, I question the veracity of everything you say.

I root for Jalen on the field, but it's no secret I'm not a big fan of the guy. That being said every QB has preferences. Every QB has things they do well and lean towards. You are right that Patullo didn't inspire confidence in him, and we saw that in his reaction when he was named OC vs the positive response this year. He is also a guy who wants to win, so I don't buy he won't be adaptable IF a coach can push back with VALID reasons for doing things in an INTELLIGENT/high football IQ way, which wasn't the case last year.

3 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

Yea but he really owned Dombromski by wearing a "not elite" shirt and then proving himself correct

3 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

Dude should go back to cooking