9 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

The difference between him and Gronk is his fun guy stuff is separate from his football analysis. If you don't want to see Kelce having fun at The Masters or at the tailgate crushing beers, that's very easy to skip. When he's in studio or on set, he's professional. Unlike Gronk where they force his meathead stuff into the football coverage. It's very easy to digest Jason Kelce as a media guy a la carte, you can just watch him as an analyst. With Gronk they'll have him behind a desk one second barely able to mumble his way through analysis, and a second later he'll be spiking footballs and flexing for some stunt.

I don't even think it's shtick with Kelce either, shtick implies forced and inauthentic. From what I understand, Kelce being the dude next door who likes to have a good time is how he is in real life.

I didn't realize Kelce was a "hey, hey, look at me all the time, I'm right here, do you see me??".....until he retired. It's enough.

3 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

I didn't realize Kelce was a "hey, hey, look at me all the time, I'm right here, do you see me??".....until he retired. It's enough.

Do you watch the shows he's on? If not, I don't see why anyone cares.

I very rarely see Jason Kelce live on TV. I'm not a regular listener to his pod, I don't really watch ESPN outside of games. So unless you're someone who is constantly consuming media where he's always on TV, it seems like much ado about nothing. I think the last time I saw Jason Kelce live on TV was on a MNF pre game show.

There's this weird phenomenon that where whenever someone becomes ultra popular a lot of people go "I'm sick of that guy." See a similar thing with Jake Paul, Timothe Chalamet to name a few. I very rarely see any of these dudes in anything so I don't really care.

Greed is ruining sports. It's ruining the NFL, it's ruining the NBA. We're taking games away from our own fans in the NFL, we're getting rid of outdoor stadiums. I'm sick of it. Outdoor football is synonymous with Philly. The cold, seeing the breath of the players, the intensity. I hope Lurie reflects and realizes hosting one Super Bowl every 20 years isn't worth taking that away from the fans. If it's truly about the fans and that's the way he goes, he's full of crap and fell victim to greed like everyone else. No Eagles fan gives a crap about hosting a Super Bowl. That's all corporate BS.

3 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Incorrect. That's old info. It's now a loud stadium.

Is he black?

44 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Two immediate thoughts on that Hurts article:

1) If it's true, it's a problem. If not, we have a weasel throwing him under the bus to make themselves look good. Either way, a problem.

2) If he's that resistant to change, if he doesn't play well under this new offense he's not gonna be here in 2027 because he's clearly annoying people in the Eagles building.

Like most other things, it's a nuanced issue. Most (if not all) NFL QBs will have formations, plays, hot reads, etc. they prefer to run and others they prefer not run. Most veteran QBs have input on the overall offensive scheme. Some of this stuff is not unlike what we were reading about Wentz a few years ago.

I've said a few times now I much prefer the Eagles move on from Hurts after 2026. IMO, his strengths are mostly physical athleticism and intangibles (work ethic, drive). I'm seeing his physical skills diminishing and without those, the intangibles carry him far less. He's still a dual-threat QB by definition and when (IF) his legs or willingness to run are gone, his passing skills (processing, distributing, pre-snap reads) are not sufficient for the Eagles to remain a contender.

He's garnered enough cred within the organization he'll have this season to either bounce back, or bounce. No excuses this season for new OC, new system, etc. He's going into his 7th NFL season and should understand NFL offensive concepts by now.

3 hours ago, Mortimer said:

I hated Urea from the get-go - what was it, 30 years ago? Her voice is grating. She sure does have a face for radio, though.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

That's a great article. It makes it clear that Patullo was absolutely the wrong choice. He was far too deferential to Hurts. The fact that they called the exact same play as the play before with the season on the line is the ultimate give up move by the coaching staff. It's not surprising that Hurts was part of the problem and exacerbated the difficulties of the team. It provides great insight as to why AJ wants the trade.

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Over/under set at 4 pages of discussion on it today

I'll take the over.

1 hour ago, greend said:

Must be a bunch of taters

Fixed

1 hour ago, Khani1 said:

I didn't realize Kelce was a "hey, hey, look at me all the time, I'm right here, do you see me??".....until he retired. It's enough.

So we all consume media but we hate the people producing it.

20 hours ago, Godfather said:

Funny how people want to bring up this stat about AJ. This is not a shot at Smith. I love Smith. The offense looking stale and inconsistent falls on the qb

The number of fans that deflect from this or won't admit this is staggering to me.

It's a bit odd the last two QB's had success and were rewarded with big contracts followed by leaks, sources and hit pieces come out on them. It feels like there is an organizational problem/issue that they can't seem to manage for whatever reason that you don't really see around the league with other teams.

It's like half the building supports them to a degree others feel is overly protective and free from blame which causes the other half to push back and put everything out to the media anonymously.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It's a bit odd the last two QB's had success and were rewarded with big contracts followed by leaks, sources and hit pieces come out on them. It feels like there is an organizational problem/issue that they can't seem to manage for whatever reason that you don't really see around the league with other teams.

It's like half the building supports them to a degree others feel is overly protective and free from blame which causes the other half to push back and put everything out to the media anonymously.

It feels like this has been going on for 25 years now dating back to McNabb. There always seems to be these hit pieces coming out, "anonymous sources", and inciting instability. I don't think Hurts is perfect, but I think it's absurd that these stories are coming out about him with the success this team has had the past four years. Lamar Jackson craps down his leg every year and has never been to a Super Bowl. Same with Josh Allen and they don't receive anywhere near the criticism.

I don’t have time to actually listen to this so not sure if there’s anything here.

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It's a bit odd the last two QB's had success and were rewarded with big contracts followed by leaks, sources and hit pieces come out on them. It feels like there is an organizational problem/issue that they can't seem to manage for whatever reason that you don't really see around the league with other teams.

It's like half the building supports them to a degree others feel is overly protective and free from blame which causes the other half to push back and put everything out to the media anonymously.

Been thinking where on the scale we are right now between "This is an organizational problem and every time the team has a down year, people out for themselves throw the QB under the bus to deflect blame" to "The last two franchise QBs haven't been that good and were more of a product of great roster construction and good fortune than them being great, and people in the organization know it and are just speaking honestly"

Because I do think history may prove the latter true. I don't think if the Eagles were to have another down season and trade Hurts away that this organization would really miss him if Howie continues to crush it.

Just now, ManuManu said:

I don’t have time to actually listen to this so not sure if there’s anything here.

This was the gist of it from Zangaro

There was a funny moment during Tuesday’s press conference when a reporter mentioned a potential upcoming contract for Jalen but didn’t specify which one. The reporter was talking about Jalen Hurts but Lurie took it as a question about Jalen Carter.

That led to this strange response from Lurie: "He’s a very good player and I’m optimistic but we don’t ever discuss contracts in any way. It’s the best way to go.”

That felt like faint praise for Hurts, whom Lurie has heaped praise upon plenty of times before. After the clarification, Lurie still didn’t want to get into any specific player’s contract — Hurts has three years left on the $255 million deal he signed in 2023 — but his tone definitely changed as he talked about the Eagles’ franchise quarterback.

"Oh, I love Jalen,” Lurie said. "There's no bigger fan of Jalen than me. Clutch Gene, absolutely. The guy, MVP of the Super Bowl 13 months ago, should have been MVP of the Super Bowl right before that against Kansas City the first time. Exceptional and so dedicated. I think you probably know, I spent a lot of time with Jalen, as I do with most quarterbacks, and incredibly dedicated to the game, to winning and being a huge winner. I love everything about him.”

Wherever people lie on Jalen Hurts, if you're one of those people who consider AJ Brown a diva, you can't not consider Hurts one also.

If it's true that Jalen Hurts is not receptive to coaching, resists ideas coaches think make the team better, goes rogue with play calling, is not the most personable guy in the locker room, etc. If AJ Brown is a diva for what he does, then Hurts is too. Can't have it both ways.

2 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

  3 hours ago, ManuManu said:

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He has pushed back on changes that would diversify the scheme, sources said, including when it comes to him going under center more. He has shown a reluctance to let it rip at times, particularly against zone coverage. He diverts from the game plan and changes playcalls to what some feel is an excessive degree. His strong preferences, coupled with the coaches' efforts to play to his strengths, which include his deep ball accuracy and throws to the perimeter, limits the breadth to which the offense can expand -- or at least that's the way it has gone in the past.

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A source close to Hurts said the QB needs coaches who will "check him," opining that Hurts had "too many 'yes' people around him" this past season.

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Hurts' rigid preferences became an issue again this past season, multiple sources said, citing Patullo's desire to get Hurts under center more often for rushing efficiency and play-action purposes. Playing from under center is something Hurts "continually fights" inside the building, one source said. Hurts doesn't like to "turn his back on the defense" and prefers to process coverages with everything in front of him, the source said.

Some of us diagnosed those 3 quotes as potential problems from afar. Yay us, I guess.

I played Football at the Middle School, High School, and College level. My teams had anywhere from 40 to 80 players on it. You think everyone liked each other??!! Do you like everyone you work with?

But on game day, we did what was necessary, win or lose.

The NFL isn't that to different, the biggest issues are the egos and salaries.

Got nuthin else. 🦅😎

3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Wherever people lie on Jalen Hurts, if you're one of those people who consider AJ Brown a diva, you can't not consider Hurts one also.

If it's true that Jalen Hurts is not receptive to coaching, resists ideas coaches think make the team better, goes rogue with play calling, is not the most personable guy in the locker room, etc. If AJ Brown is a diva for what he does, then Hurts is too. Can't have it both ways.

None of us really know what goes on behind closed doors in the locker room/complex, the personalities of these guys, and how others feel about them. But the main difference to me between AJ and Hurts is that Hurts presents and handles himself to the public eye like a CEO and diffuses controversy, while AJ handles himself like a 16 year old girl posting crypitcally on social media. There is a maturity aspect where Hurts excels and AJ falters.

3 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

None of us really know what goes on behind closed doors in the locker room/complex, the personalities of these guys, and how others feel about them. But the main difference to me between AJ and Hurts is that Hurts presents and handles himself to the public eye like a CEO and diffuses controversy, while AJ handles himself like a 16 year old girl posting crypitcally on social media. There is a maturity aspect where Hurts excels and AJ falters.

They definitely carry themselves differently on social media. I think the caring about it is more of a societal issue than a player one. Unless someone is posting hate filled tirades on social media, I don't really care what people post online.

I never get the "I'm so sick of seeing Player X posting on social media..." takes from people. Because the solution is simple: log off. People don't even understand their own exasperation of social media content is a byproduct of their own social media addiction.

I care about how the players impact the Eagles winning games and that's all I really care about tbh. AJ Brown could've posted one cryptic emoji per day last season and I wouldn't have given a crap.

Whatever the truth is, I think I can safely say AJ Brown is a more popular player with the players in that locker room than Jalen Hurts is. Rightly or wrongly. You won't find a 4 page story of anonymous sources throwing AJ Brown under the bus, and multiple reporters have said AJ Brown is a top 3 most popular player among the players. Make of that what you will.

1 hour ago, Godfather said:

We've all seen QB1 play from behind. It's a sheet show

I have no idea what his overall record of comeback wins is, but in 2023 he had four comeback wins down 10 or more points. I believe that ties an NFL record.

11 minutes ago, LacesOut said:

I played Football at the Middle School, High School, and College level. My teams had anywhere from 40 to 80 players on it. You think everyone liked each other??!! Do you like everyone you work with?

But on game day, we did what was necessary, win or lose.

The NFL isn't that to different, the biggest issues are the egos and salaries.

Got nuthin else. 🦅😎

Yep. To go further, linemen talk only to linemen. That’s not an absolute, but nearly so. Maybe right after a game you’ll talk to other guys but the rest of the time you’re too dialed in.

Respect to the guy for holding the line and not changing his name. Things must have been rough for that dude having the name "Gerry Sandusky"

43 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Greed is ruining sports. It's ruining the NFL, it's ruining the NBA. We're taking games away from our own fans in the NFL, we're getting rid of outdoor stadiums. I'm sick of it. Outdoor football is synonymous with Philly. The cold, seeing the breath of the players, the intensity. I hope Lurie reflects and realizes hosting one Super Bowl every 20 years isn't worth taking that away from the fans. If it's truly about the fans and that's the way he goes, he's full of crap and fell victim to greed like everyone else. No Eagles fan gives a crap about hosting a Super Bowl. That's all corporate BS.

Greed is ruining a lot of things around the world.

16 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It's a bit odd the last two QB's had success and were rewarded with big contracts followed by leaks, sources and hit pieces come out on them. It feels like there is an organizational problem/issue that they can't seem to manage for whatever reason that you don't really see around the league with other teams.

It's like half the building supports them to a degree others feel is overly protective and free from blame which causes the other half to push back and put everything out to the media anonymously.

It seems most of it has to do with the media market. There is a large well established media presence that has sources within the organization. There is a fanbase that loves these stories. I am sure you would have these stories other places but there's not the demand. Look around the League and it's not a mystery. For example, no one in Buffalo can read. There are no fans of the Chargers. Most 49ers fans still think their QB is either Steve Young or Colin Kaepernick. Dolphins fans are in 1972 or 1983.

14 minutes ago, LacesOut said:

I played Football at the Middle School, High School, and College level. My teams had anywhere from 40 to 80 players on it. You think everyone liked each other??!! Do you like everyone you work with?

But on game day, we did what was necessary, win or lose.

The NFL isn't that to different, the biggest issues are the egos and salaries.

Got nuthin else. 🦅😎

When the first "hit pieces" about Hurts came out about him being cold and not hanging out or whatever it was a year or so ago (or maybe it was 2023 when the team also sucked), I said the same thing. In a group of 53+ players (not including practice squad or preseason roster) you're going to have people who don't like him. It is what it is, he has the personality of a piece of cardboard.