9 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Is that even right, though? If the dead cap is $17.2M, doesn’t designating him post June 1 leave $8.6M dead money for 2021 and another $8.6M for 2022? 

What it’s saying on overthecap when you designate it as post June 1st. Alshon is roughly 13 Space, malik is roughly 10 (sorry had to go back and check) and graham is roughly 13. Still 36 million as roll over to 2022 is pretty good amount of cap space. With the lane, wentz, slay and cox restructure according to overthecap still have 35 mil of cap in 2022. Then those cuts would be at 22.6 mil of cap in 2022. Likely less as need 2-3 more restructures to be under for 2021. You take that 22 mil with the 36 mil roll over that’s not accounted into that on overthecap you have about 58 mil in 2022. 

the biggest issue is figuring a way to get under for 2021 if the cap drops. Frankly i don’t think it will. I think it stays status quo. So need to figure way to get under. It’s going to be restructured contracts like cox, wentz, lane and slay cause they can do that. Some other ones as well they can get some cap savings. It makes no sense to restructure graham and alshon. And ertz i feel is going to be traded if they can’t get a contract under terms they like considering his age entering that contract. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Is that even right, though? If the dead cap is $17.2M, doesn’t designating him post June 1 leave $8.6M dead money for 2021 and another $8.6M for 2022? 

It’s not an even split. Post June 1st makes his 2021 dead money hit in 2021 and the rest hits 2022. So in 2021 it would just be his 2021 signing bonus proration and if he has a bonus or any of his base guaranteed. The rest of his signing bonus and guarantees accelerate into 2022 

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

True. However like i pointed out restructuring cox, wentz, lane and slay clears about 42 mil on the cap calculator on over the cap.  And leaves your 2022 cap at 35 mil under still. I’d post the pictures but board doesn’t allow pictures of that size anymore for some reason. 

They likely wouldn't even need to do all of that, tbh.  Plenty of options for the Eagles in 2021, imo.

 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It’s not an even split. Post June 1st makes his 2021 dead money hit in 2021 and the rest hits 2022. So in 2021 it would just be his 2021 signing bonus proration and if he has a bonus or any of his base guaranteed. The rest of his signing bonus and guarantees accelerate into 2022 

Ahh, I didn’t realize Spotrac had a tool for calculating post June 1 cuts or trades. According to Spotrac, if we cut Graham after this season:

2021 Dead Cap: $4,928,000 (saving $13M as mentioned earlier by Eagles)

2022 Dead Cap: $12,284,000 (big yikes)

What do we think the odds are that Barnett/Hargrave play on Sunday?

It seemed weird at the time that he fell so far, and that we took Miller over him. 

4 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

They likely wouldn't even need to do all of that, tbh.  Plenty of options for the Eagles in 2021, imo.

 

I was just using the easiest way to drop 42 mil in cap space and still have decent cap for 2022. Add on if you post June cut graham, alshon and malik you get 36 mil in cap space to roll over into 2022. Really the eagles just need to get under for 2021. After that they should be fine. 

3 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

What do we think the odds are that Barnett/Hargrave play on Sunday?

Pretty high

 

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Ahh, I didn’t realize Spotrac had a tool for calculating post June 1 cuts or trades. According to Spotrac, if we cut Graham after this season:

2021 Dead Cap: $4,928,000 (saving $13M as mentioned earlier by Eagles)

2022 Dead Cap: $12,284,000 (big yikes)

basically you’d just roll over the 13 million you save in 2021 as a June first cut. Winds up being a push ultimately. When i did everything on overthecap restructuring wentz, Cox, slay and lane along with those three post June cuts 2022 had 22 mil available cap Space. But again has the cap at 176 in 2021. I don’t think it’s going to be there. The roll over money when you do it will help that 22 mil number. 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I was just using the easiest way to drop 42 mil in cap space and still have decent cap for 2022. Add on if you post June cut graham, alshon and malik you get 36 mil in cap space to roll over into 2022. Really the eagles just need to get under for 2021. After that they should be fine. 

The first hurdle to cross is you have to get under the cap to start the 2021 league year

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Those darn facts again.

Actually, I was wrong. I was looking at base salary. 

2021 Cap number: $17.9M

2021 Dead cap: $17.2

So we’d save a little bit by cutting him without the post June 1 designation. 

8 minutes ago, downundermike said:

The first hurdle to cross is you have to get under the cap to start the 2021 league year

exactly why you are restructuring like every team in the nfl does. Those 4 contracts i dropped on you reduces 42 mil in cap space. It’s exactly why i mentioned them. Cause those are the 4 biggest candidates to restructure. There’s some other guys as well. You are going to get under doing such. And then you also hve the benefit of post June 1st cuts opening up potentially 36 mil in roll over money for 2022. That helps future eagles cap  

— get to cut Goodwin to save some money. Basically by restructuring lane, wentz, Cox, slay, seumalo, hargreaves and cutting Goodwin i got the eagles down from 276 mil cap to 200. Probably need more moves. Likely Barnett long term deal if he plays wel lowers his number. If he stinks he’s cut and you save 10. To have space. But that leaves if the cap stays at 198 2 mil to go  and 2022 cap space still at 32 mil. Then for 2022 i have those post June 1 cuts 

Again if you have a better plan than that I’d be willing to listen but there really isn’t. those are the guys you are going to restructure to clear significant cap space. 

5 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Pretty high

 

I remember Doug saying this. It seemed like a blanket/general statement. I feel like there's a little more skepticism for Hargrave and Barnett.

10 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Ahh, I didn’t realize Spotrac had a tool for calculating post June 1 cuts or trades. According to Spotrac, if we cut Graham after this season:

2021 Dead Cap: $4,928,000 (saving $13M as mentioned earlier by Eagles)

2022 Dead Cap: $12,284,000 (big yikes)

As much as people get on Howie about drafts/player personnel, etc one thing that pretty much everyone can agree on is that he is among the best at managing the cap.  When it comes to "making it work” he has never failed in that area, imo. 

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

exactly why you are restructuring like every team in the nfl does. Those 4 contracts i dropped on you reduces 42 mil in cap space. It’s exactly why i mentioned them. Cause those are the 4 biggest candidates to restructure. There’s some other guys as well. You are going to get under doing such. And then you also hve the benefit of post June 1st cuts opening up potentially 36 mil in roll over money for 2022. That helps future eagles cap 

Again if you have a better plan than that I’d be willing to listen but there really isn’t. those are the guys you are going to restructure to clear significant cap space. 

But then you were eating into your $50 mil .2022 cap when you only have 31 players under contract at this point. You’re not solving any problem you’re just delaying it.

Wentz seemed pretty high on Hightower in his PC earlier. I'll be curious to see how they work him in on Sunday. They can do a lot of fun stuff with him and DeSean on the field at the same time. 

23 minutes ago, downundermike said:

But then you were eating into your $50 mil .2022 cap when you only have 31 players under contract at this point. You’re not solving any problem you’re just delaying it.

With post June 1st cuts i can clear 36 million for roll over in 2022. Even with those restructuring i offered (seumalo, wentz, lane, hargreaves, slay, Cox and cutting Goodwin) i drop to 32 million in 2022 cap. So 36 roll over plus 20 (when making June 1st cuts it eats into 2022 cap by 12 mil so drops to 20 mil) is 56 million. You need more cap then that in 2022?

This doesn’t include malik, alshon and graham (the 32 mil in cap space)  as post June 1st which opens 36 mil of cap space (the -24 right now is cause they have it at 176. That’s not what it is going to be. Most said it stays the same at 198) . Make those June 1st cuts takes you down to 20 for 2022. Add on 36 mil of roll over that’s still 56 mil  

 

Additionally you’re bothered by that but that’s the only realistic only way you’re going to get there. So regardless of how it’s kicking it down the road that’s what is going to have to happen to get below the cap in 2021. At this point it is what it is. 

Giants traded up into RD1 for Baker.

2 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

I'd absolutely still sign him before someone else loses a LT this weekend and he is off the street. 

Yep agreed! They need proven depth because they will suffer more injuries along the OL.

Is it still a rule if you do an extension by nov you can count it on this year’s cap?

1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:

Is it still a rule if you do an extension by nov you can count it on this year’s cap?

I’m not sure the exact date but yea, something like that 

That seems unwise this season. 

lol @ you guys trying to do Howie‘s job and work the cap for us.

Knew Peters didn't need work at his old position, btw.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

That seems unwise this season. 

The Falcons are pretty much bringing back their core offense. Their OL/WRs/QB are the same. RBs are easy to integrate. I'd worry about their TEs though.

10 minutes ago, Green Dog said:

lol @ you guys trying to do Howie‘s job and work the cap for us.

Knew Peters didn't need work at his old position, btw.

I’m learning so i can eventually replace him. And come on the boards and ask everyone for help in moves. Lol