I hated using a 3rd on Tate. I said then, and still feel now, a 3rd would have only been worth it if we repeated as Super Bowl champions, or we had signed him to an extension so that we got more than a 9 game rental.

2 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

I'd rather the 3rd.  They didn't win the Super Bowl that year and that 3rd might have turned into a quality player on the roster today. 

I thought the Eagles got a 3rd from compensation for him any way?

43 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

I hated using a 3rd on Tate. I said then, and still feel now, a 3rd would have only been worth it if we repeated as Super Bowl champions, or we had signed him to an extension so that we got more than a 9 game rental.

The trade itself wasn't bad.  If you seriously think you're a Golden Tate away from making a legit postseason run, you cough up a 3rd and you don't think twice.  What was absolutely horrific was how Groh used/didn't use him.  You can't just stick to the system all the time if you're going to make moves like that - you have to give the player some room to succeed immediately while he does catch himself up to your way of life.  A little tweaking here and there and it could have worked out much better for us.

We also wound up getting that comp 4th that we turned into Driscoll.   I would've been pissed about it if we hadn't gotten the 4th back. 

 

3 hours ago, NOTW said:

Literally no one else could have made 1 catch in a playoff game?

What if that 3rd were a player they could use long term?  I know, Howie can't draft but still.

Who, Shelton Gibson?  Maybe someone else could have but no one else did.  And that hypothetical third is one thing but deciding to hang onto Agholor over Tate is, in my view, another bad move by Howie.  Who cannot draft. 

8 hours ago, philafan4o8 said:

Tate was a rent where you got comp back. 

 

12 minutes ago, mihailo said:

I thought the Eagles got a 3rd from compensation for him any way?

They got a 4th round comp pick in return.  

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/2020-nfl-draft-eagles-compensatory-picks

 

6 minutes ago, Hawkeye said:

Who, Shelton Gibson?  Maybe someone else could have but no one else did.  And that hypothetical third is one thing but deciding to hang onto Agholor over Tate is, in my view, another bad move by Howie.  Who cannot draft. 

You picked the worst example?  Ertz, Jeffrey, Goedert, Agholor...not like there weren't guys who could have made 1 catch in a game.  It's cool Tate made a catch, but 1 catch doesn't justify trading back from the 3rd round to the 4th to rent him for 8 games.  

If the best offer out there is two seconds just keep him. No reason to get fleeced. If the asking price isn't offered don't do it. 

50 minutes ago, mihailo said:

I thought the Eagles got a 3rd from compensation for him any way?

 

 

4th round, but even then those are like 5th round picks since they are all the way at the back end of the round.  

29 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

If the best offer out there is two seconds just keep him. No reason to get fleeced. If the asking price isn't offered don't do it. 

That sounds like a nightmare season. The only way that works is if Wentz and FO and Coach all can come to an understanding... that seems less than likely. If Wentz is ready to roll though and not be a drama baby sure

Just now, thedanone82 said:

That sounds like a nightmare season. The only way that works is if Wentz and FO and Coach all can come to an understanding... that seems less than likely. If Wentz is ready to roll though and not be a drama baby sure

That doesn't mean take a bad deal for him. 

Just now, Uscg-green said:

That doesn't mean take a bad deal for him. 

It does if the alternative is cutting him because he would be a distraction

3 minutes ago, thedanone82 said:

That sounds like a nightmare season. The only way that works is if Wentz and FO and Coach all can come to an understanding... that seems less than likely. If Wentz is ready to roll though and not be a drama baby sure

 

1 minute ago, thedanone82 said:

It does if the alternative is cutting him because he would be a distraction

How do you know there is no understanding right now? Do you really think Wentz is in a position where he has any other option then to perform his best next season if he isn't traded? What do you think his options will be next year if he creates all sorts of drama or sits out. Wentz has been nothing but professional unless you want to read into rumors.

7 minutes ago, Thing3 said:

 

How do you know there is no understanding right now? Do you really think Wentz is in a position where he has any other option then to perform his best next season if he isn't traded? What do you think his options will be next year if he creates all sorts of drama or sits out. Wentz has been nothing but professional unless you want to read into rumors.

We don't know which is why I said if he's not going to be a drama baby sure. But if the options are headache QB, bad trade compensation, or cutting the QB I'm taking the trade

56 minutes ago, thedanone82 said:

That sounds like a nightmare season. The only way that works is if Wentz and FO and Coach all can come to an understanding... that seems less than likely. If Wentz is ready to roll though and not be a drama baby sure

If it's true that Wentz has issues with Howie only, it "could" work since his issue isn't with the new coaching staff. But it would take everyone working to move forward. 

20 minutes ago, NOTW said:

If it's true that Wentz has issues with Howie only, it "could" work since his issue isn't with the new coaching staff. But it would take everyone working to move forward. 

Here's a novel concept.  Dump Howie.  

26 minutes ago, NOTW said:

If it's true that Wentz has issues with Howie only, it "could" work since his issue isn't with the new coaching staff. But it would take everyone working to move forward. 

do you how reckless that sounds? look at the bengals when they kept bad locker room players, no great fa goes to that team because that locker room is cancer no great player will go to that team like is that what you want the eagles to be over a fixation for one qb?

How did Sam freakin Bradford net us a 1st and Carson cant? 

10 hours ago, Arsenal79 said:

Too bad his focus is on using football for extraneous pursuits instead of football itself being his priority, especially since he’s getting paid $35M/yr.  That lack of focus compared to actual stud QB’s is why his career is floundering.

You really don't think he trains, works out, studies film, etc... in an effort to become a better player? Obviously, he didn't have his session with his receivers in Fargo last offseason due to covid, but he's done those in the past as well. 

 

I'm sure your boss (or former boss) can say the same thing about you when he sees you out shopping, at a football game, a bar, a park, or spending time with the family, etc.. when you are on your own time doing things that aren't helping you become a better employee. Honestly, unless you have a list of how much time each player puts into "work" and can show me how Wentz ranks compared to his peers, you're just pulling crap out of the air

2 hours ago, Uscg-green said:

If the best offer out there is two seconds just keep him. No reason to get fleeced. If the asking price isn't offered don't do it. 

But what if you don’t trade him, he stays here, plays bad again next year, spoils the locker room, holds jalens progress back all while ruining the start of the new coach’s regime?  Then next year, his value is literally zero.  And you’re letting him walk for nothing, or worse yet still paying him $50m and eating up your cap in the interest of trying to hold out in the hopes that someone wants to overpay?  
 

If you don’t think he’s the future (and it’s clear they don’t) it’s a take the best offer kind of thing.  Him being here is not an option at this point.  The eagles have ruined him and Howie holding out is only hurting his value even more.  If this trade doesnt happen, Howie has to be fired. There’s no way for him to remain other than to make this move.  He’s trying to hit a home run but really just needs an off the pitchers foot kind of single here.

1 hour ago, FlankingRight said:

How did Sam freakin Bradford net us a 1st and Carson cant? 

this is one of the main reasons why we need to be patient here.  I honestly don't think we'll get a 2020 first.  Someone said 'heck I wouldn't give up a 1st for CW, and I think I agree, but I would give up a 2021 1st.   You sweeten the pot somehow and you get a 2020 1st.  I honestly would take a Bears 2021 1st straight up because I think it will be more valuable than Bears or Colts 2021 1st.  Anyone under the age of 30 is untouchable, over 30 negotiable, not sure Bears could afford Cox and Wentz though. 

1 minute ago, HowiesBroman said:

this is one of the main reasons why we need to be patient here.  I honestly don't think we'll get a 2020 first.  Someone said 'heck I wouldn't give up a 1st for CW, and I think I agree, but I would give up a 2021 1st.   You sweeten the pot somehow and you get a 2020 1st.  I honestly would take a Bears 2021 1st straight up because I think it will be more valuable than Bears or Colts 2021 1st.  Anyone under the age of 30 is untouchable, over 30 negotiable, not sure Bears could afford Cox and Wentz though. 

oops had years wrong, but you get it... 2021 vs. 2022

2 hours ago, FlankingRight said:

How did Sam freakin Bradford net us a 1st and Carson cant? 

I don't want to trade Wentz but of it is to happen, wait for a desperate team.  If the Colts/Bears/Carolina don't end up with a QB as the draft draws near, and their options are trades for  guys like Mariota, Teddy B, Darnold, or FA like  Cam, Brissett, Fitzmagic, Trubisky, Tyrod Taylor.....

1 hour ago, HowiesBroman said:

this is one of the main reasons why we need to be patient here.  I honestly don't think we'll get a 2020 first.  Someone said 'heck I wouldn't give up a 1st for CW, and I think I agree, but I would give up a 2021 1st.   You sweeten the pot somehow and you get a 2020 1st.  I honestly would take a Bears 2021 1st straight up because I think it will be more valuable than Bears or Colts 2021 1st.  Anyone under the age of 30 is untouchable, over 30 negotiable, not sure Bears could afford Cox and Wentz though. 

If Wentz plays to 2019 level one first round pick is a horrible trade.  

4 hours ago, FlankingRight said:

How did Sam freakin Bradford net us a 1st and Carson cant? 

The preseason started and the Vikes were desperate. The draft has already past so it was a future 1st rounder. 

If the eagles have Wentz when the preseason starts, a team like the Bills qb gets hurt, they would offer a 1st (2022) and 3rd (2022) too for Wentz imo

Everything fell into place perfectly for that Bradford trade. 

 

4 hours ago, NOTW said:

If it's true that Wentz has issues with Howie only, it "could" work since his issue isn't with the new coaching staff. But it would take everyone working to move forward. 

According to what I've heard, Wentz' issue is with any and everyone who doesn't think he's as good as he thinks he is, reports have him being a bigtime egomaniac.