11 hours ago, seengreen said:

Carson has had a myriad of injuries that have sapped his athleticism. Through all of that, he got married, had a child. The QB Carson is now, has been worn down to slightly above average. He has become too reliant on what he previously could do. He hasn't figured it out that, it isn't working. Just like Doug can't figure out how best to help his QB. During the SB run Reich/DiFillipo were on him about his mechanics, and footwork. Doug is too pacifying with him. I think as a person, a competitor it would affect anyone seeing your back up win the SB. But, I do not think that is what is at the root of his poor play currently. I just don't think Carson will reach that height of play again.

Slightly above average?? 

Based just on his play this season, he's in the bottom third of the league.  

I just get the feeling he and Pederson are not on the same page ... at ... all.  

1 hour ago, time2rock said:

Slightly above average?? 

Based just on his play this season, he's in the bottom third of the league.  

I just get the feeling he and Pederson are not on the same page ... at ... all.  

Overall, as he stands right now, looking at his entire career thus far. He is.

You are correct. Doug and Carson aren't in sync. There is no synthesis to their HC, QB relationship. Just another thing that is so concerning.

Wentz was actually decent on Sunday and the offense still sucks. What are we looking at here? Bad gameplan/playcalling? Lack of talent on the team? Consider switching to Hurts, we may find out what he's made of, but it won't fix any of the issues holding the team back.

2 minutes ago, seengreen said:

Overall, as he stands right now, looking at his entire career thus far. He is.

You are correct. Doug and Carson aren't in sync. There is no synthesis to their HC, QB relationship. Just another thing that is so concerning.

Looking at his entire career, I agree he has regressed from a top 10 QB early in his career to now being slightly above average overall.  My comment specifically mentioned based just on his play this year alone.  

14 hours ago, EagleVA said:

I'd be surprised if Hurts is much better, his accuracy isn't anything to write home about either.

They don’t even trust him to throw it. What does he have 2 or 3 passes on the year. That tells you something. 

Remember when Foles was struggling and they went to his old tape and started using plays that he has success with. I’m not sure why they don’t do that with Wentz. Go back to 2016-2017 and see what worked. It’s a simple idea but it worked for Foles when he won the SB. 

7 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

You know what? I don't think so. 

I mean if he has been then he's never going to make it as a good NFL QB because he clearly doesn't have the mental strength to do so. 

But I don't think that's the issue. I think the issue here is he's not the same QB. Now that could be due to the injuries? I think a big part of that is the coaching he's getting from Taylor but overall the issue is Wentz. He's not a good QB because he's not accurate and he plays hero ball. And when he doesn't play hero ball he lacks the accuracy to stand in the pocket and win with arm.

Yesterday he didn't pay hero ball. A few times he threw the ball away when there was nothing there. But there was also nothing from the offense through the air. Why? Because he wasn't playing hero ball and so he wasn't making those jaw dropping plays. 

People will argue that's unfair. That he's dammed if he does and dammed if he doesn't. That we complain when he plays hero ball and we complain when he doesn't. The reality is, he's a QB incapable of doing anything other than hero ball. 

I disagree that he can't do it. I think he can if the system around him isn't garbage. Rarely do we see ANYONE on this team open and they've shown a number of times they can't make tough catches and like to drop the ball.

I'm not saying Wentz is blameless. I'm at the point where I've grown tired of him, as well, but I would like to see if a new staff could get him right again.

Its as clear to me as anything, Doug and co. need to go. Period.  

48 minutes ago, Road to Victory said:

They don’t even trust him to throw it. What does he have 2 or 3 passes on the year. That tells you something. 

I don't understand why they put him on the field for those gimmick plays, they're nothing but wasted downs, if you want him to play then put him on the field for the entire game but stay away from Wentz at WR......it's a bad joke.

48 minutes ago, toolg said:

Wentz was actually decent on Sunday and the offense still sucks. What are we looking at here? Bad gameplan/playcalling? Lack of talent on the team? Consider switching to Hurts, we may find out what he's made of, but it won't fix any of the issues holding the team back.

more and more we keep hearing that Wentz is un-coachable, and that Hurts is very coachable....let's be honest about the state of the team...we are not going anywhere deep in the POs even if we make them....some people when faced with competition simply mope...others use it as a wakeup call...so which is Wentz? 

so far what I've seen is his ego take a huge hit with what Foles was able to do...and now, drafting a QB in round 2 has to be another huge ego hit..because let's be honet...there were lots of GOOD players at other positions still available when Hurts was drafted

and it's almost like Wentz is desperate to prove everyone wrong by trying to make ridiculous plays all the time...on first and ten...an 8 yd play is fine..in fact it''s good...what made Foles so effective...take away the deep ball...fine i'll take the underneath play for 6 yds....but more often than not..Wentz is always thinking big play..even when it's not there...and even when he goes underneath..his accuracy on short passes makes McNabb look like Joe Montana....

I think this Sunday showed how bad Doug and the 50 offensive staff really is.  They are way behind the rest of the NFL in terms of game planning and concepts.  Doug also has zero feel for calling plays and doesn't know when Hurts is needed and when he shouldn't be in.  

Wentz missed about 3 throws high which is standard most QBs miss about 3-4 throws a game but for the entire game Wentz stayed within the offense.  Didn't make any hero plays.  Did what Doug wanted within the offense and that was the result.  

Do I think WENTZ is playing bad?  Yes

Do I think WENTZ is apart of the problem?  Yes

But I think Doug and his offensive staff is a bigger issue.  Our offense is outdated and lacks any innovation.  If we were above the curve in 2017 we are now well below the curve in offensive creative and design. 

2 hours ago, toolg said:

Wentz was actually decent on Sunday and the offense still sucks. What are we looking at here? Bad gameplan/playcalling? Lack of talent on the team? Consider switching to Hurts, we may find out what he's made of, but it won't fix any of the issues holding the team back.

He was mediocre, he didn't turn it over but he didn't do much else.

I'm going to offer some purely speculative nonsense that makes me feel better to type but has no basis in fact. Remember the Jan 2019 Philly Voice article about Wentz' character and being disliked and creating "friction among the offense"? That same article quotes "unnamed players" as saying Wentz "bullied" Mike Groh and the problems with the offense were on Wentz, not Groh. So some observations:

1. Doug and Wentz - how often do you see them communicating on the sideline? In fact, how often do you see any player approach Wentz and talk with him after a bad play? How many see Wentz approach a TD celebration and observe teammates kind of shrug him off? How many times does he pat an O-lineman or have one help him up after he's put on the ground? In my imaginary world of rainbows and unicorns, I am going to speculate that Wentz is simply not respected, well-liked, or embraced by this team or coaching staff. He seems to be the loneliest guy on the sideline...by choice. What gives? 

2. Kelce. This guy is one of the best centers in the NFL, period. He prides himself on his work ethic and his incredible technical skill. How many snaps did he put on the ground or cause Wentz to stumble to recover the ball as a result of a bad snap? Either Kelce is hurt or he really doesn't care if his QB gets killed. You just don't see that kind of lapse from a player of Kelce's caliber and can you imagine what would happen after two of those if the QB was Tom Brady? Brady would be in his center's earhole. I just don't see that chemistry between Wentz and his lineman, as bad as they are playing now. No one seems to express any significant remorse if their QB gets pounded. Could Kelce have been sending a message? 

Like I said; all speculation. But with a record like this and a level of play that is atrocious, I am going to play my entitlement card and speculate that all is not well in this organization with Wentz at the helm. I just don't see any chemistry out there. 

6 minutes ago, phil77 said:

I think this Sunday showed how bad Doug and the 50 offensive staff really is.  They are way behind the rest of the NFL in terms of game planning and concepts.  Doug also has zero feel for calling plays and doesn't know when Hurts is needed and when he shouldn't be in.  

Wentz missed about 3 throws high which is standard most QBs miss about 3-4 throws a game but for the entire game Wentz stayed within the offense.  Didn't make any hero plays.  Did what Doug wanted within the offense and that was the result.  

Do I think WENTZ is playing bad?  Yes

Do I think WENTZ is apart of the problem?  Yes

But I think Doug and his offensive staff is a bigger issue.  Our offense is outdated and lacks any innovation.  If we were above the curve in 2017 we are now well below the curve in offensive creative and design. 

Most of Wentz throws were high apart from the attempted dump off to Sanders which he threw at his knees for some reason, Sanders still should've caught it, but it's of a pattern where Wentz makes routine throws way harder to catch than they should be, there was one to Fulgham where he was being chase by one defender and running towards another, Wentz needed to stick it right on him or maybe a shade behind but he threw it way behind him meaning Fulgham had to move against the way he was running to try and make a catch, it turns a 99% catch into 50-50.

1 hour ago, Road to Victory said:

They don’t even trust him to throw it. What does he have 2 or 3 passes on the year. That tells you something. 

Agreed. Hurts has shown nothing, no gamebreaking speed, moderate accuracy. And behind that line he would get killed.

Watching the game yesterday, would you have rather had Daniel Jones or Carson Wentz as your QB in Philly? Don't lie. 

11 minutes ago, stinkfist said:

Watching the game yesterday, would you have rather had Daniel Jones or Carson Wentz as your QB in Philly? Don't lie. 

I've said before I watched Justin Herbert last week and it was eye opening just how much more decisive and mechanically sound than Wentz he was. 

I said in the game thread last night the two chunk play back shoulder throws Jones made on the quick TD drive straight after we scored, Wentz likely doesn't throw them at all or overthrows them and we would blame the receivers for not seperating, whereas Jones just threw the ball where at worst his receiver would have a contested catch.

New York were an egregious Evan Engram drop from sweeping us this year, without Saquon.

41 minutes ago, Eldereagle1 said:

I'm going to offer some purely speculative nonsense that makes me feel better to type but has no basis in fact. Remember the Jan 2019 Philly Voice article about Wentz' character and being disliked and creating "friction among the offense"? That same article quotes "unnamed players" as saying Wentz "bullied" Mike Groh and the problems with the offense were on Wentz, not Groh. So some observations:

1. Doug and Wentz - how often do you see them communicating on the sideline? In fact, how often do you see any player approach Wentz and talk with him after a bad play? How many see Wentz approach a TD celebration and observe teammates kind of shrug him off? How many times does he pat an O-lineman or have one help him up after he's put on the ground? In my imaginary world of rainbows and unicorns, I am going to speculate that Wentz is simply not respected, well-liked, or embraced by this team or coaching staff. He seems to be the loneliest guy on the sideline...by choice. What gives?

I've been saying this for a while now: his body-language and sideline presence has been glaringly negative. There's a clear lack of even an attempt to communicate throughout the course of the game, and then all week it's followed up with excuse-making. Wentz seems to have zero self-awareness and displays little on-field leadership, and if that's the case, it's on the coaching staff to hold his feet to the fire. Maybe Wentz isn't very coachable, but it'd be nice to at least see an attempt to coach him up and hold him accountable. As it stands, he's just winging it out there, and the coaching staff seems to content to let him keep making the same mistakes and keep displaying the same ****ty attitude.

Should've kept Foles and traded Wentz.

Here's to hoping we finally land a QB that can be one of the best in football for a decade or more. Historically our QBs have been pretty sub par... especially when you look at other teams around the league.

Dallas was unlucky this year, but they've had good QBs going back quite a way.

Green Bay went from one HoFer to another.

Colts went from one of the best ever to a HOFer in the making who retired early.

Chargers went from Rivers to now Herbert, who seems legit.

Now obviously it could be worse. We could be the Jets...or the Lions....or the Browns, but it would be nice to strike gold and have a slam dunk top QB for 12-15 years.

Jaws... yikes

Randall...never reached potential

Detmer...lol

Hoying...lol

McNabb... Very good, but never elite

Kolb...lol

Vick....okay, nothing special

Foles...pretty good, streaky, injury prone, thank you for 2017

Bradford...lol

Wentz Started great, crashing and burning.

17 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Here's to hoping we finally land a QB that can be one of the best in football for a decade or more. Historically our QBs have been pretty sub par... especially when you look at other teams around the league.

Dallas was unlucky this year, but they've had good QBs going back quite a way.

Green Bay went from one HoFer to another.

Colts went from one of the best ever to a HOFer in the making who retired early.

Chargers went from Rivers to now Herbert, who seems legit.

Now obviously it could be worse. We could be the Jets...or the Lions....or the Browns, but it would be nice to strike gold and have a slam dunk top QB for 12-15 years.

Jaws... yikes

Randall...never reached potential

Detmer...lol

Hoying...lol

McNabb... Very good, but never elite

Kolb...lol

Vick....okay, nothing special

Foles...pretty good, streaky, injury prone, thank you for 2017

Bradford...lol

Wentz Started great, crashing and burning.

 

I think this goes to highlight the very minimal odds of finding a good QB much less a great QB. Which is why I'd still dump Howie and Doug before Wentz. A ton of teams have been spending decades trying to find a usable QB.

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, stinkfist said:

Watching the game yesterday, would you have rather had Daniel Jones or Carson Wentz as your QB in Philly? Don't lie. 

Not close Dimes and that’s embarrassing 

2 hours ago, stinkfist said:

Watching the game yesterday, would you have rather had Daniel Jones or Carson Wentz as your QB in Philly? Don't lie. 

It is beyond sad that I would rather have Daniel Jones....he is still learning and you can see his growth from the last time we played them until yesterday. Its still a young football team and on the opposite end we have Wentz in his fifth season. I swear, I do not remember the last time I have seen a QB regress this badly.....I know I HAVE at some point but its just been that long since I have and cannot remember...

On 11/12/2020 at 3:23 PM, FitzIsAtTheAirport said:

I’m honestly struggling to come up w/ 4 QBs worse than him.

Bubby Brister . . . maybe Rodney Peete  MAYBE . . . Ty  'Noodle Arm'  Detmer and Bobby Hoying.

He got paid. He got married. He had a kid.  

He has had injuries. Injuries to his O Line, to his WRs, to his TE's, to his RBs.

Just a mess right now.