11 hours ago11 hr 20 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:I just use AI to create flyers for work.Anyway let’s unban all the banned posters. This place needs some more personality
11 hours ago11 hr This guy has long arms. Lol if he's healthy this is a good signing. Forces fumbles in here highlights and good at the point of attack. Good fit for Fangio defense. Think he gets on the 53 before too long.
11 hours ago11 hr 26 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:I don't know who's banned, why they were banned or when they were banned. If the mods want to unban anyone, that's ok with me. If they don't, then there's reasons for it and I'm ok with that too.@Moderator12 @Moderator6 any help? Our creator is OK with it
11 hours ago11 hr 29 minutes ago, jojodancer said:@HazletonEagle Looks like they did add another WR and it was Danny Gray like I called.3 RBs and no TE on PS is the only surprise
11 hours ago11 hr 5 minutes ago, jojodancer said:This guy has long arms. Lol if he's healthy this is a good signing. Forces fumbles in here highlights and good at the point of attack. Good fit for Fangio defense. Think he gets on the 53 before too long.He’s coming off a torn patellar tendon. I think it’s a minute before he could see meaningful playing time
11 hours ago11 hr 4 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:@Moderator12 @Moderator6 any help? Our creator is OK with it not what VA saidSo kindly stfu
11 hours ago11 hr 11 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:He’s coming off a torn patellar tendon. I think it’s a minute before he could see meaningful playing timeSounds like he played very well in the PS though.There's a lot of hype surrounding this guy if you check the Twitter comments. Then again there were posts and even stats that would make you believe Jakorian Bennett was the best CB in the league when we got him too.
11 hours ago11 hr 4 hours ago, vikas83 said:Page 1!Was thinking about this last night - who are the 3 backup OL that dress on gameday. Kendall for sure. Then I'd guess one of Bell or Big Fred, whichever one is higher on the depth chart. Let's say Bell. Is the last one Lampkin or the other tackle? You have injury concerns at RT and LG, so...what do you prioritize? Do you dress 9 OL?Kendall, (G/C), Bell (swing T), Fred (G/T). Dress 8.
11 hours ago11 hr 1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:From the article. On AJ Brown:"Hurts has a vague answer to my questions about Brown—“You can’t replace the greatness that we have achieved and the presence and the success that he’s had on the field, but we’ve got to go to work”—and, when pressed a bit, a slightly more nuanced answer. "It’s a game where we’ve all got to have a shared mission,” he says, when I ask what happened that things got to the point where Brown reportedly wanted to be traded. "We all got to be in pursuit of the collective. And it’s not something I can speak on from his behalf, but I can tell you my focus has always been to pursue the mission.”Unsurprisingly, given the fact that the two men had once been close, much scrutiny had fallen on their relationship. Brown, in the interview he gave after being traded, said the two of them had grown apart. I ask Hurts if he feels the same way. He responds with a single-word answer: "Clearly.”On the ESPN article that criticized him:"I take ownership because it’s my job,” he says, about the claims made in the ESPN.com article. He doesn’t deny them, even as he makes it clear he’s accepting them mostly because he sees it as his duty to move forward, and to argue would be to go backward. "It’s my responsibility. My job, I’ve always saw it from a perspective of: Go out there and lead the team and find a way to win a game, most importantly. And so we’re going to be judged off of that. And I think accountability and ownership and responsibility, those are all important factors when you play the quarterback position. You have to have those qualities. You have to be able to own it.”On the quote "it's going to look how Jalen Hurts wants it to look" @Mike030270 "A couple years ago, in 2024, Hurts gave a quote that has haunted him a bit since, and which has since been cited as a skeleton key, a rare moment of truth, from an athlete who doesn’t often reveal his own internal monologue. Asked about the sluggish offense then, he said: "It’s going to look how Jalen Hurts wants it to look.” Since then, this quote has been cited in arguments city-wide about Hurts, sometimes as proof that he is somehow uncoachable or at minimum very stubborn.I wondered if, given another chance, he might have wanted to say it differently, or not at all."I can see how that’s something that was taken literally,” Hurts says. "At the same time, I said what I said and there’s no retracting what I said.”But there is clarifying, I say.And so he clarifies, a bit. The idea there, he says, was that on a team that was always changing—a new offensive coordinator practically every year, new teammates, new schemes, and so on—he was the one factor that didn’t change. "I’ve always had to adjust to the change in the voice in my ear, the play caller, quarterback coach in the room, and those are the challenges that I’ve always embraced,” Hurts says. "And you get to a point where you see so much change going on around you, you see that you’re the constant. And that goes for a lot of my teammates as well.”On his attitude and personality:"Hurts attributes a lot of his personality, and his life in football, to his dad. "I saw a disciple of men, and I saw what it was like to lead. I saw what it was like to instill character and have integrity and represent something bigger than yourself. I saw what it was like to take care of other people’s kids. My father being the head coach, that’s something that comes with their duty. And so my perspective on it is a little bit different. At an early age, he held me to a very high standard, but he also pushed me.”Hurts has become famous, even by the elevated standards of the NFL, for a kind of stubborn determination to improve. He likes a difficult situation where the only way out is through. In high school, he got into powerlifting: "I got this weight on my back. Get the crap up, and figure it out.” His heroes are guys whose will to get better is unstinting and maybe even a bit pathological. Tom Brady. Peyton Manning. The aforementioned Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant. "MJ, Kobe, they had great work ethic, had a great mentality,” Hurts says.Hurts mentioning Jordan in this moment reminds me of something I recently heard an Eagles beat writer say, which is that many of the criticisms of Hurts are unfair but one that has some legitimacy is that he doesn’t show a lot of vulnerability. This is something I’ve noticed too. Not at the podium before or after games. Certainly not during them. Again, who knows: The weirdest part of sports fandom is the way you psychologically analyze people you don’t know, will never meet. Except Hurts is right in front of me now, so I bring it up, this criticism that he doesn’t show much weakness or doubt, in a way that Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant were also famous for."On being an introvert and quiet leader:Here’s why I’m curious. Because I think the job of quarterback: inherently social job, right? Literal leader of men. Communicator. Do you ever feel the contradiction between that and what your job ended up being?"I think it’s evolved over time. Because when I was a younger player, when I was coming into college and starting as a freshman, it was a different time where it was very straightforward in earning the respect of the guys around you. You earned it by your actions. You earned it by what you prove to them and the respect that you earn. As you grow, there’s a mystique and an outside perspective or a narrative that’s built, and it’s not a lot of times built by the person himself, but by what other people project or interpret from that. And so my perspective, my approach, hasn’t necessarily differed in terms of what’s the priority, but I am mindful of how the things around me have changed.”Hurts says, basically, he lives by something Nick Saban, the former coach of Alabama, once told him, which was: "What you do speaks so loudly, I can’t hear what you say.”He continues: "Well, you say I’m an introvert. I say I’m about action. I’m about doing the things that are required to win. And so I think that’s to one’s interpretation, but you never go wrong doing a thing that can’t be denied.” I say sure, but on any team, in any workplace even, there are personal dynamics beyond winning and losing. People want to know what their boss thinks about them. They want to know where they stand with their coworkers. There’s got to be somebody on your team that’s like, "What does my quarterback think about me?”"Yeah,” says Hurts, because the answer to him is self-evident. The answer is: "Let’s win.”On his stoic nature and that fans can't tell what he thinks or feels coming off the field:"The thing is, you talk about vulnerability, and you talk about are you able to define who you are, what your passions are? The football field is one of the very few places I feel like I can be myself. But the raw emotions—I think I give you grace because competitively, the fire and the moment and the preparation and everything that you’ve done to get to this point, not many understand what is required of that. And it demands everything. And it demands even more when you experience failure, when you come up short of something and you have to humble yourself and find solutions, but first go to work and make sure you’re doing the right things. So when you’re in the process of a middle of a game, you’ve got a fine focus on what exactly you’re trying to do, and that’s my approach.”He says, basically, that he is unreadable because he is so internal, so entirely concerned with processing what he’s seeing and experiencing and solving, that there is no room for expression beyond that. What I’m seeing, he says, is a person taking seriously, at every moment, the long odds he had of making it, the difficulty of each step, the loneliness and intensity and sacrifice of what he’s had to do to get to where he is.Why do you think you feel most like yourself on a football field?"Because it’s what I love. It’s what I know. It’s what I come up around. It’s who I am. It’s who I’ve been groomed to be.”
11 hours ago11 hr 48 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:I don't know who's banned, why they were banned or when they were banned. If the mods want to unban anyone, that's ok with me. If they don't, then there's reasons for it and I'm ok with that too.@olsilverhair is a great poster who had an error of judgment when the Eagles loss to the Chiefs. @Ace Nova has multiple errors every time he picks up a bottle of vodka. Shocker was funny. Certain people in here don't have a sense of humor and decided to complain until he was banned. Unfortunate witch hunt. We have people that were banned from the old EMB that are here. Example RTK wished an injury on Foles after we won the SB and was banned
11 hours ago11 hr 20 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:not what VA saidSo kindly stfuChill out brah. Let's talk this over while sippin on some bourbon
11 hours ago11 hr 1 hour ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:I've been playing with an AI program with the thought of generating cartoons, like the old EMB used to have. I haven't learned how to use it well enough yet to actually do it, but I'll keep at it. Anyone have any ideas? With AI, I might even be able to turn you into a cartoon character to use in the animations. Well, not 'might', I know I can.What do you all think, cool idea or waste of time?I don’t say this with any sarcasm, but is there any chance you could ever make a SB59 blu ray like you did for SB52?
11 hours ago11 hr 1 hour ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:I've been playing with an AI program with the thought of generating cartoons, like the old EMB used to have. I haven't learned how to use it well enough yet to actually do it, but I'll keep at it. Anyone have any ideas? With AI, I might even be able to turn you into a cartoon character to use in the animations. Well, not 'might', I know I can.What do you all think, cool idea or waste of time?A cartoon of the Beats reading the Blog and then writing a story about what we have been discussing?
11 hours ago11 hr 30 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:not what VA saidSo kindly stfuB!tch let’s meet outside a tailgate internet tommy toughnuts
11 hours ago11 hr 1 minute ago, EaglePhan1986 said:B!tch let’s meet outside a tailgate internet tommy toughnuts
11 hours ago11 hr 2 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:I don’t say this with any sarcasm, but is there any chance you could ever make a SB59 blu ray like you did for SB52?I actually have everything (somewhere), but haven't looked at any of it for a while because of my caregiving duties taking most of my time. But just last night, I pulled LII out to put on my server so I can re-watch it and thought about the other set too. I actually might have the entire set completed, but I don't remember now. One difference is, I didn't have all of the radio broadcasts for 59 like I did for 52. I'll look at what I completed and see what I can do.
11 hours ago11 hr Just now, Joe Ball said:I’ll beat him with bacarty’s kid and @hputenis ’ furry vibrator
11 hours ago11 hr 14 minutes ago, Godfather said:Chill out brah. Let's talk this over while sippin on some bourbonCalm your boyfriend down
11 hours ago11 hr 5 minutes ago, BigEFly said:A cartoon of the Beats reading the Blog and then writing a story about what we have been discussing?By Beats, I assume 'Beat Writers'?
11 hours ago11 hr Just now, EaglePhan1986 said:Calm your boyfriend downUnnecessary man. I hope he shoves an empty bottle of bourbon up your V in your "tailgate" skirmish. Bacarty will be there with his kid spitting on the bottle
10 hours ago10 hr 1 minute ago, Godfather said:Unnecessary man. I hope he shoves an empty bottle of bourbon up your V in your "tailgate" skirmish. Bacarty will be there with his kid spitting on the bottleYeah well how about this year you two don’t spend the whole pregame hooking up in the Porto John
10 hours ago10 hr 23 minutes ago, NOTW said:From the article.On AJ Brown:"Hurts has a vague answer to my questions about Brown—“You can’t replace the greatness that we have achieved and the presence and the success that he’s had on the field, but we’ve got to go to work”—and, when pressed a bit, a slightly more nuanced answer. "It’s a game where we’ve all got to have a shared mission,” he says, when I ask what happened that things got to the point where Brown reportedly wanted to be traded. "We all got to be in pursuit of the collective. And it’s not something I can speak on from his behalf, but I can tell you my focus has always been to pursue the mission.”Unsurprisingly, given the fact that the two men had once been close, much scrutiny had fallen on their relationship. Brown, in the interview he gave after being traded, said the two of them had grown apart. I ask Hurts if he feels the same way. He responds with a single-word answer: "Clearly.”On the ESPN article that criticized him:"I take ownership because it’s my job,” he says, about the claims made in the ESPN.com article. He doesn’t deny them, even as he makes it clear he’s accepting them mostly because he sees it as his duty to move forward, and to argue would be to go backward. "It’s my responsibility. My job, I’ve always saw it from a perspective of: Go out there and lead the team and find a way to win a game, most importantly. And so we’re going to be judged off of that. And I think accountability and ownership and responsibility, those are all important factors when you play the quarterback position. You have to have those qualities. You have to be able to own it.”On the quote "it's going to look how Jalen Hurts wants it to look" @Mike030270"A couple years ago, in 2024, Hurts gave a quote that has haunted him a bit since, and which has since been cited as a skeleton key, a rare moment of truth, from an athlete who doesn’t often reveal his own internal monologue. Asked about the sluggish offense then, he said: "It’s going to look how Jalen Hurts wants it to look.” Since then, this quote has been cited in arguments city-wide about Hurts, sometimes as proof that he is somehow uncoachable or at minimum very stubborn.I wondered if, given another chance, he might have wanted to say it differently, or not at all."I can see how that’s something that was taken literally,” Hurts says. "At the same time, I said what I said and there’s no retracting what I said.”But there is clarifying, I say.And so he clarifies, a bit. The idea there, he says, was that on a team that was always changing—a new offensive coordinator practically every year, new teammates, new schemes, and so on—he was the one factor that didn’t change. "I’ve always had to adjust to the change in the voice in my ear, the play caller, quarterback coach in the room, and those are the challenges that I’ve always embraced,” Hurts says. "And you get to a point where you see so much change going on around you, you see that you’re the constant. And that goes for a lot of my teammates as well.”On his attitude and personality:"Hurts attributes a lot of his personality, and his life in football, to his dad. "I saw a disciple of men, and I saw what it was like to lead. I saw what it was like to instill character and have integrity and represent something bigger than yourself. I saw what it was like to take care of other people’s kids. My father being the head coach, that’s something that comes with their duty. And so my perspective on it is a little bit different. At an early age, he held me to a very high standard, but he also pushed me.”Hurts has become famous, even by the elevated standards of the NFL, for a kind of stubborn determination to improve. He likes a difficult situation where the only way out is through. In high school, he got into powerlifting: "I got this weight on my back. Get the crap up, and figure it out.” His heroes are guys whose will to get better is unstinting and maybe even a bit pathological. Tom Brady. Peyton Manning. The aforementioned Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant. "MJ, Kobe, they had great work ethic, had a great mentality,” Hurts says.Hurts mentioning Jordan in this moment reminds me of something I recently heard an Eagles beat writer say, which is that many of the criticisms of Hurts are unfair but one that has some legitimacy is that he doesn’t show a lot of vulnerability. This is something I’ve noticed too. Not at the podium before or after games. Certainly not during them. Again, who knows: The weirdest part of sports fandom is the way you psychologically analyze people you don’t know, will never meet. Except Hurts is right in front of me now, so I bring it up, this criticism that he doesn’t show much weakness or doubt, in a way that Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant were also famous for."On being an introvert and quiet leader:Here’s why I’m curious. Because I think the job of quarterback: inherently social job, right? Literal leader of men. Communicator. Do you ever feel the contradiction between that and what your job ended up being?"I think it’s evolved over time. Because when I was a younger player, when I was coming into college and starting as a freshman, it was a different time where it was very straightforward in earning the respect of the guys around you. You earned it by your actions. You earned it by what you prove to them and the respect that you earn. As you grow, there’s a mystique and an outside perspective or a narrative that’s built, and it’s not a lot of times built by the person himself, but by what other people project or interpret from that. And so my perspective, my approach, hasn’t necessarily differed in terms of what’s the priority, but I am mindful of how the things around me have changed.”Hurts says, basically, he lives by something Nick Saban, the former coach of Alabama, once told him, which was: "What you do speaks so loudly, I can’t hear what you say.”He continues: "Well, you say I’m an introvert. I say I’m about action. I’m about doing the things that are required to win. And so I think that’s to one’s interpretation, but you never go wrong doing a thing that can’t be denied.”I say sure, but on any team, in any workplace even, there are personal dynamics beyond winning and losing. People want to know what their boss thinks about them. They want to know where they stand with their coworkers. There’s got to be somebody on your team that’s like, "What does my quarterback think about me?”"Yeah,” says Hurts, because the answer to him is self-evident. The answer is: "Let’s win.”On his stoic nature and that fans can't tell what he thinks or feels coming off the field:"The thing is, you talk about vulnerability, and you talk about are you able to define who you are, what your passions are? The football field is one of the very few places I feel like I can be myself. But the raw emotions—I think I give you grace because competitively, the fire and the moment and the preparation and everything that you’ve done to get to this point, not many understand what is required of that. And it demands everything. And it demands even more when you experience failure, when you come up short of something and you have to humble yourself and find solutions, but first go to work and make sure you’re doing the right things. So when you’re in the process of a middle of a game, you’ve got a fine focus on what exactly you’re trying to do, and that’s my approach.”He says, basically, that he is unreadable because he is so internal, so entirely concerned with processing what he’s seeing and experiencing and solving, that there is no room for expression beyond that. What I’m seeing, he says, is a person taking seriously, at every moment, the long odds he had of making it, the difficulty of each step, the loneliness and intensity and sacrifice of what he’s had to do to get to where he is.Why do you think you feel most like yourself on a football field?"Because it’s what I love. It’s what I know. It’s what I come up around. It’s who I am. It’s who I’ve been groomed to bFrom the article.On AJ Brown:"Hurts has a vague answer to my questions about Brown—“You can’t replace the greatness that we have achieved and the presence and the success that he’s had on the field, but we’ve got to go to work”—and, when pressed a bit, a slightly more nuanced answer. "It’s a game where we’ve all got to have a shared mission,” he says, when I ask what happened that things got to the point where Brown reportedly wanted to be traded. "We all got to be in pursuit of the collective. And it’s not something I can speak on from his behalf, but I can tell you my focus has always been to pursue the mission.”Unsurprisingly, given the fact that the two men had once been close, much scrutiny had fallen on their relationship. Brown, in the interview he gave after being traded, said the two of them had grown apart. I ask Hurts if he feels the same way. He responds with a single-word answer: "Clearly.”On the ESPN article that criticized him:"I take ownership because it’s my job,” he says, about the claims made in the ESPN.com article. He doesn’t deny them, even as he makes it clear he’s accepting them mostly because he sees it as his duty to move forward, and to argue would be to go backward. "It’s my responsibility. My job, I’ve always saw it from a perspective of: Go out there and lead the team and find a way to win a game, most importantly. And so we’re going to be judged off of that. And I think accountability and ownership and responsibility, those are all important factors when you play the quarterback position. You have to have those qualities. You have to be able to own it.”On the quote "it's going to look how Jalen Hurts wants it to look" @Mike030270"A couple years ago, in 2024, Hurts gave a quote that has haunted him a bit since, and which has since been cited as a skeleton key, a rare moment of truth, from an athlete who doesn’t often reveal his own internal monologue. Asked about the sluggish offense then, he said: "It’s going to look how Jalen Hurts wants it to look.” Since then, this quote has been cited in arguments city-wide about Hurts, sometimes as proof that he is somehow uncoachable or at minimum very stubborn.I wondered if, given another chance, he might have wanted to say it differently, or not at all."I can see how that’s something that was taken literally,” Hurts says. "At the same time, I said what I said and there’s no retracting what I said.”But there is clarifying, I say.And so he clarifies, a bit. The idea there, he says, was that on a team that was always changing—a new offensive coordinator practically every year, new teammates, new schemes, and so on—he was the one factor that didn’t change. "I’ve always had to adjust to the change in the voice in my ear, the play caller, quarterback coach in the room, and those are the challenges that I’ve always embraced,” Hurts says. "And you get to a point where you see so much change going on around you, you see that you’re the constant. And that goes for a lot of my teammates as well.”On his attitude and personality:"Hurts attributes a lot of his personality, and his life in football, to his dad. "I saw a disciple of men, and I saw what it was like to lead. I saw what it was like to instill character and have integrity and represent something bigger than yourself. I saw what it was like to take care of other people’s kids. My father being the head coach, that’s something that comes with their duty. And so my perspective on it is a little bit different. At an early age, he held me to a very high standard, but he also pushed me.”Hurts has become famous, even by the elevated standards of the NFL, for a kind of stubborn determination to improve. He likes a difficult situation where the only way out is through. In high school, he got into powerlifting: "I got this weight on my back. Get the crap up, and figure it out.” His heroes are guys whose will to get better is unstinting and maybe even a bit pathological. Tom Brady. Peyton Manning. The aforementioned Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant. "MJ, Kobe, they had great work ethic, had a great mentality,” Hurts says.Hurts mentioning Jordan in this moment reminds me of something I recently heard an Eagles beat writer say, which is that many of the criticisms of Hurts are unfair but one that has some legitimacy is that he doesn’t show a lot of vulnerability. This is something I’ve noticed too. Not at the podium before or after games. Certainly not during them. Again, who knows: The weirdest part of sports fandom is the way you psychologically analyze people you don’t know, will never meet. Except Hurts is right in front of me now, so I bring it up, this criticism that he doesn’t show much weakness or doubt, in a way that Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant were also famous for."On being an introvert and quiet leader:Here’s why I’m curious. Because I think the job of quarterback: inherently social job, right? Literal leader of men. Communicator. Do you ever feel the contradiction between that and what your job ended up being?"I think it’s evolved over time. Because when I was a younger player, when I was coming into college and starting as a freshman, it was a different time where it was very straightforward in earning the respect of the guys around you. You earned it by your actions. You earned it by what you prove to them and the respect that you earn. As you grow, there’s a mystique and an outside perspective or a narrative that’s built, and it’s not a lot of times built by the person himself, but by what other people project or interpret from that. And so my perspective, my approach, hasn’t necessarily differed in terms of what’s the priority, but I am mindful of how the things around me have changed.”Hurts says, basically, he lives by something Nick Saban, the former coach of Alabama, once told him, which was: "What you do speaks so loudly, I can’t hear what you say.”He continues: "Well, you say I’m an introvert. I say I’m about action. I’m about doing the things that are required to win. And so I think that’s to one’s interpretation, but you never go wrong doing a thing that can’t be denied.”I say sure, but on any team, in any workplace even, there are personal dynamics beyond winning and losing. People want to know what their boss thinks about them. They want to know where they stand with their coworkers. There’s got to be somebody on your team that’s like, "What does my quarterback think about me?”"Yeah,” says Hurts, because the answer to him is self-evident. The answer is: "Let’s win.”On his stoic nature and that fans can't tell what he thinks or feels coming off the field:"The thing is, you talk about vulnerability, and you talk about are you able to define who you are, what your passions are? The football field is one of the very few places I feel like I can be myself. But the raw emotions—I think I give you grace because competitively, the fire and the moment and the preparation and everything that you’ve done to get to this point, not many understand what is required of that. And it demands everything. And it demands even more when you experience failure, when you come up short of something and you have to humble yourself and find solutions, but first go to work and make sure you’re doing the right things. So when you’re in the process of a middle of a game, you’ve got a fine focus on what exactly you’re trying to do, and that’s my approach.”He says, basically, that he is unreadable because he is so internal, so entirely concerned with processing what he’s seeing and experiencing and solving, that there is no room for expression beyond that. What I’m seeing, he says, is a person taking seriously, at every moment, the long odds he had of making it, the difficulty of each step, the loneliness and intensity and sacrifice of what he’s had to do to get to where he is.Why do you think you feel most like yourself on a football field?"Because it’s what I love. It’s what I know. It’s what I come up around. It’s who I am. It’s who I’ve been groomed to be.”Glad to have a QB that’s easy to root for.
10 hours ago10 hr 3 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:By Beats, I assume 'Beat Writers'?Yep. It’s hilarious. Yesterday there was discussion on whether the IPP designation carried protection from PS poaching here first. Then there was an exchange by the Beats on the very same discussion. Been a running joke in the Blog since Tommy created it.
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