34 minutes ago, NOTW said:

He's been the leading receiver for the Eagles for years. He's not a 4th WR, by your logic he's the #1 receiver playing the TE position. 

Yeah there's no doubt about that. He's been the most important receiver on this team for at least the previous 3 seasons. 

I think whether Ertz stays or goes depends on how Reagor, Hightower, and JJAW develop this year.  Why?  I don't think the Eagles want to be a 12 style offense primarily.  Ertz and Goedert are a necessary combo with such average WR talent.  Those two really are our two most consistent pass catchers, but the offense just isn't able to be as dynamic in that style.  In that case, Ertz's value to the team takes a heavy hit. 

If we trade him I'd look to move him to Houston. They need a TE and O'Brien is a moron. Could probably get Zach Cunningham and their first rounder. 

39 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:

If we trade him I'd look to move him to Houston. They need a TE and O'Brien is a moron. Could probably get Zach Cunningham and their first rounder. 

That would be the starting offer from them. I think we'd get even more than that in the end. O'Brien is a complete muppet.

1 hour ago, 20dawk4life said:

If we trade him I'd look to move him to Houston. They need a TE and O'Brien is a moron. Could probably get Zach Cunningham and their first rounder. 

O'Brien is a dummy and Howie is the master, but a starting LB and a 1st would be a huge stretch.   I'd think a 2nd is more likely.  However, that isn't enough to move our #1 receiving threat.

Just now, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

O'Brien is a dummy and Howie is the master, but a starting LB and a 1st would be a huge stretch.   A 2nd is probably more likely.  

Did you see that Hopkins trade? 

If we're talking about pipe-dream trades, how about one that re-unites Zach Ertz with Frank Reich and gets the Eagles OG Quenton Nelson to fill the void at LG? 

Considering Nelson is only 24 and has 2 years left on his rookie deal, the Eagles would likely have to package a draft pick with Ertz, which I wouldn't necessarily mind considering the fact that this team doesn't do a good job with most of their draft picks anyways.

I doubt Frank Reich trades away his best OL just to upgrade at TE, but if he's willing to listen to an offer, Howie should put one on the table. Including Ertz in the deal would lessen the remaining draft capital needed to make a trade. If we're just talking about trading picks, it could cost the Eagles as much as a 1st round pick plus more, but if Ertz is involved, the pick might be a 3rd rounder or less.

 

8 hours ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

O'Brien is a dummy and Howie is the master, but a starting LB and a 1st would be a huge stretch.   I'd think a 2nd is more likely.  However, that isn't enough to move our #1 receiving threat.

The Hopkins trade really wasn't as bad as people make it sound. 

Look at the contract Arizona just gave him.  Then look at what Houston was able to do with that weight off their shoulders.  David Johnson could be a steal for them if he can stay healthy.  And they were able to extend both Cunningham and Tunsil.  Captain of their defense and starting LT locked up for the foreseeable future. 

Cooks/Fuller/Cobb/Stills/Johnson/Fells and Akins isn't a bad offensive attack.  For as great a receiver as Hopkins is, it's not like they were on the cusp of winning anything with him.

3 minutes ago, hukdonfoniks said:

The Hopkins trade really wasn't as bad as people make it sound. 

Look at the contract Arizona just gave him.  Then look at what Houston was able to do with that weight off their shoulders.  David Johnson could be a steal for them if he can stay healthy.  And they were able to extend both Cunningham and Tunsil.  Captain of their defense and starting LT locked up for the foreseeable future. 

Cooks/Fuller/Cobb/Stills/Johnson/Fells and Akins isn't a bad offensive attack.  For as great a receiver as Hopkins is, it's not like they were on the cusp of winning anything with him.

It's not the worst trade in the world but considering where this leaves the Texans at in terms of now relying on 3 injury prone starters to be the focal point of the offense: David Johnson, Brandin Cooks, and Will Fuller, it's an incredibly risky move.

At least Hopkins was fairly durable and reliable as their WR1. How long is it going to be until Cooks and Fuller get hurt? Cooks has a history of concussions the past few seasons and Fuller has never finished a full season with the Texans healthy.

3 minutes ago, eaglesfan0075 said:

It's not the worst trade in the world but considering where this leaves the Texans at in terms of now relying on 3 injury prone starters to be the focal point of the offense: David Johnson, Brandin Cooks, and Will Fuller, it's an incredibly risky move.

At least Hopkins was fairly durable and reliable as their WR1. How long is it going to be until Cooks and Fuller get hurt? Cooks has a history of concussions the past few seasons and Fuller has never finished a full season with the Texans healthy.

Better to take those risks than to pay Hopkins that obscenely high contract. 

They have guys like Coutee, Cobb, Stills who can step in if either of them get hurt.  You can plan for the possibility of injuries but you can't plan for the certainty of injuries. 

16 hours ago, NOTW said:

He's been the leading receiver for the Eagles for years. He's not a 4th WR, by your logic he's the #1 receiver playing the TE position. 

This is the reason I asked why he referred to him as the 4th WR. I couldn't understand that logic so I had to ask.....

Typically you get into it with management on this team, you’re gone. 

6 minutes ago, Runtherock said:

Typically you get into it with management on this team, you’re gone. 

Yeah, even without this incident, the fact that Goedert is playing as well as he has been and the fact that 2 starting TE is more of a luxury than a necessity, would make the possibility of an Ertz trade more likely.

Could the Eagles land a top level OL like the Saints did with Jimmy Graham? Time will tell.

There should have a countdown thread for Ertz and his time in Philly. I dont believe he will be an Eagles for much more this season, at best he makes it through this season and out next offseason. Thanks for the memories Ertz, goodluck with your future team.

On 9/19/2020 at 1:54 AM, NOTW said:

He's been the leading receiver for the Eagles for years. He's not a 4th WR, by your logic he's the #1 receiver playing the TE position. 

Whatever, how did he do today against good LB's?

Trade Ertz and get what you can for him. Time for a fire sale. Unfortunately the Eagles "talent” isn’t as good as they think they are. 

3 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Trade Ertz and get what you can for him. Time for a fire sale. Unfortunately the Eagles "talent” isn’t as good as they think they are. 

This. Talent is garbage 🗑.  I might be wrong but since 2013 after Lane and Zach the Eagles have drafted 1 pro bowler in Wentz for one season. The team is just bad and against crappy competition in TC the local media slobbers all over them.

2 minutes ago, manz2821 said:

This. Talent is garbage 🗑.  I might be wrong but since 2013 after Lane and Zach the Eagles have drafted 1 pro bowler in Wentz for one season. The team is just bad and against crappy competition in TC the local media slobbers all over them.

You’re not wrong. Wentz the only pro bowl caliber player and he’s not close to that anymore. Howie stinks at drafting. 

Are they better with him or without him? Of course, with him.
 

I want to surround Wentz with as many weapons as possible. Let him play out his contract and pick up a comp pick. I’m not sure they could get much for him anyway, 

19 hours ago, Runtherock said:

Typically you get into it with management on this team, you’re gone. 

Yeah. Leaving bias aside: A disgruntled star player wanting a higher contract, made it known to the media, is aging, with a younger/cheaper/just as good player waiting in the wings. There’s just really no leverage at all. And you have a team who’s in cap hell, with an aging and expensive nucleus, no long term stability at many positions. Meanwhile this star player still has fairly good trade value. 

@NOTW said it best it’s a perfect storm. 

I think it’s inevitable Ertz will be traded, or at least will be forced to walk in FA. 

 

 

6 hours ago, Dwide Schrude said:

I think it’s inevitable Ertz will be traded, or at least will be forced to walk in FA. 

Ertz should be traded. The team would show complete incompetence if they don't. I mean at this point what would be the purpose in keeping him?

On 9/21/2020 at 4:03 AM, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Ertz should be traded. The team would show complete incompetence if they don't. I mean at this point what would be the purpose in keeping him?

Maybe because he's the most reliable player on offense.

They should give him whatever deal he wants.

5 hours ago, eaglegenius said:

Maybe because he's the most reliable player on offense.

They should give him whatever deal he wants.

Why? 

1) they are in cap hell the next 2 years. 

2) they have his younger replacement on the roster already. A guy they used a second round pick on (and in actual fact that was their first pick in that years draft).

3) have you seen this team? This team needs to be stripped back and restarted. Take the draft pick for Ertz.

9 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Why? 

1) they are in cap hell the next 2 years. 

2) they have his younger replacement on the roster already. A guy they used a second round pick on (and in actual fact that was their first pick in that years draft).

3) have you seen this team? This team needs to be stripped back and restarted. Take the draft pick for Ertz.

 

So your solution is to dump their most reliable receiver? How's the defense looking with Malcolm Jenkins younger replacement? 

How about cutting injury-prone dead weight like DeSean Jackson and Jason Peters and keeping the veterans who actually contribute to the team?

 

10 minutes ago, eaglegenius said:

 

So your solution is to dump their most reliable receiver? How's the defense looking with Malcolm Jenkins younger replacement? 

How about cutting injury-prone dead weight like DeSean Jackson and Jason Peters and keeping the veterans who actually contribute to the team?

 

Yes my solution is to get good value for a TE that has no long term future here! My solution is to try and get a second round pick to rebuild this ageing and to be quite honest bottom third of the league roster.