January 18, 20223 yr Author 12 minutes ago, Godfather said: What's the savings on cutting Brooks? @downundermike @paco There are only 3 players with higher salaries that would save you money, and none of them save you a lot Brandon Brooks would "save" you 3.7 million with a 15.7 million dead cap hit. Slay would "save" you 4.4 million after a 17.6 million dead cap hit. Hargrave would "save" you 1 million after a 16.8 million dead cap hit. That's it. That's the list.
January 18, 20223 yr Brooks really shouldn't be going anywhere. He's been a walking bandaid lately, but cutting him to save $3.7m seems kinda stupid. His potential upside is worth way more than that, health be damned.
January 18, 20223 yr 54 minutes ago, paco said: There are only 3 players with higher salaries that would save you money, and none of them save you a lot Brandon Brooks would "save" you 3.7 million with a 15.7 million dead cap hit. Slay would "save" you 4.4 million after a 17.6 million dead cap hit. Hargrave would "save" you 1 million after a 16.8 million dead cap hit. That's it. That's the list. Imo, Slay and Hargrave are restructures/extensions. Kicking the can down the road
January 18, 20223 yr 28 minutes ago, Dawkins 20 said: Brooks really shouldn't be going anywhere. He's been a walking bandaid lately, but cutting him to save $3.7m seems kinda stupid. His potential upside is worth way more than that, health be damned. I'd rather see Driscoll start next year. He played well before getting injured. I'd take a 6th or 7th rd pick for Brooks.
January 18, 20223 yr Author 26 minutes ago, Dawkins 20 said: Brooks really shouldn't be going anywhere. He's been a walking bandaid lately, but cutting him to save $3.7m seems kinda stupid. His potential upside is worth way more than that, health be damned. It depends on how you look at it. Do you think he can contribute at a high level still? Are you betting that he can be healthy going forward? If so, then yes, it doesnt make sense. However, this is his contract: Year Age Base Salary Prorated Bonus Roster Bonus Workout Bonus Guaranteed Salary Cap Number Cap % Dead Money & Cap Savings Cut (pre-June 1)Cut (post-June 1)Trade (pre-June 1)Trade (post-June 1)RestructureExtension 2019 30 $930,000 $4,760,632 $0 $0 $0 $9,849,455 5.0% 2020 📝 31 $1,250,000 $6,440,632 $0 $100,000 $1,000,000 $7,790,632 3.5% 2021 32 $1,075,000 $5,939,535 $0 $0 $1,075,000 $7,014,235 3.4% 2022 📝 33 $13,400,000 $5,939,235 $0 $100,000 $0 $19,439,235 8.7% $15,736,472 $3,702,763 2023 📝 34 $11,600,000 $4,347,237 $2,000,000 $100,000 $0 $18,047,237 8.0% $9,797,237 $8,250,000 2024 📝 35 $13,400,000 $3,565,000 $2,000,000 $100,000 $0 $19,065,000 7.4% $5,450,000 $13,615,000 2025 36 Void $1,885,000 Void Void Void $1,885,000 -- $1,885,000 $0 As you can se, he is under contract through 2024. That 15 million in dead cap you are going to be saddled with if you cut him will eventually be paid out over time if you keep him. However, if the FO determines that its time to move on and they will replace him either through FA or a draft pick (we do have 3 firsts after all), then cutting him now makes sense. Sure, you only save $3.7 million. But then he is off the books completely and you "save" 11.6 million in 2023 and 13.4 million in 2024. Soapbox: This is yet another reason you want your roster to have cap flexibility. There have been times in the past where players WANT to be cut and can't because it would be impossible to stay under the cap\sign draft picks, etc. (Lavar Arrington in 2006 needing to give back 5 million to make it happen is my favorite example)
January 18, 20223 yr Author Holy crap, I missed Barnett's dead cap for this year. $7,248,800 and not under contract
January 18, 20223 yr 26 minutes ago, Dawkins 20 said: Brooks really shouldn't be going anywhere. He's been a walking bandaid lately, but cutting him to save $3.7m seems kinda stupid. His potential upside is worth way more than that, health be damned. He's only played 2 games in 2 seasons and the previous season ended the year injured as well. If they keep him, it has to be as a backup not a starter so Herbig or whoever will actually start next year gets the reps in practice with the 1's.
January 18, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, paco said: Holy crap, I missed Barnett's dead cap for this year. $7,248,800 and not under contract Ewww
January 18, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, paco said: Holy crap, I missed Barnett's dead cap for this year. $7,248,800 and not under contract He's a free agent this offseason. They need to let him walk, get whatever comp pick if applicable and come back with Graham and Sweat and draft a DE.
January 18, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, NOTW said: He's a free agent this offseason. They need to let him walk, get whatever comp pick if applicable and come back with Graham and Sweat and draft a DE. I'm sure he's gone
January 18, 20223 yr @paco this dead money chart for 2022, does this mean money in the 2022 cap tied up still paying these players?
January 18, 20223 yr Author 11 minutes ago, NOTW said: He's a free agent this offseason. They need to let him walk, get whatever comp pick if applicable and come back with Graham and Sweat and draft a DE. That's what this thread is about.... big dead cap hits on players who are no longer here due to Howie's over use of void contract years.
January 18, 20223 yr Author 11 minutes ago, NOTW said: @paco this dead money chart for 2022, does this mean money in the 2022 cap tied up still paying these players? Yes. And more players like Barnett who's contract hasn't automatically voided which won't show up until the start on the 2022 NFL season. Edit: Here is the list Barnett $7,248,800 McLeod $2,140,000 Anthony Harris $2,408,000 Kerrigan $1,140,000 Steven Nelson $1,208,000 So $14,144,800 on top of that for a grand total of $36,154,161
January 18, 20223 yr 31 minutes ago, paco said: It depends on how you look at it. Do you think he can contribute at a high level still? Are you betting that he can be healthy going forward? If so, then yes, it doesnt make sense. However, this is his contract: Year Age Base Salary Prorated Bonus Roster Bonus Workout Bonus Guaranteed Salary Cap Number Cap % Dead Money & Cap Savings Cut (pre-June 1)Cut (post-June 1)Trade (pre-June 1)Trade (post-June 1)RestructureExtension 2019 30 $930,000 $4,760,632 $0 $0 $0 $9,849,455 5.0% 2020 📝 31 $1,250,000 $6,440,632 $0 $100,000 $1,000,000 $7,790,632 3.5% 2021 32 $1,075,000 $5,939,535 $0 $0 $1,075,000 $7,014,235 3.4% 2022 📝 33 $13,400,000 $5,939,235 $0 $100,000 $0 $19,439,235 8.7% $15,736,472 $3,702,763 2023 📝 34 $11,600,000 $4,347,237 $2,000,000 $100,000 $0 $18,047,237 8.0% $9,797,237 $8,250,000 2024 📝 35 $13,400,000 $3,565,000 $2,000,000 $100,000 $0 $19,065,000 7.4% $5,450,000 $13,615,000 2025 36 Void $1,885,000 Void Void Void $1,885,000 -- $1,885,000 $0 As you can se, he is under contract through 2024. That 15 million in dead cap you are going to be saddled with if you cut him will eventually be paid out over time if you keep him. However, if the FO determines that its time to move on and they will replace him either through FA or a draft pick (we do have 3 firsts after all), then cutting him now makes sense. Sure, you only save $3.7 million. But then he is off the books completely and you "save" 11.6 million in 2023 and 13.4 million in 2024. Soapbox: This is yet another reason you want your roster to have cap flexibility. There have been times in the past where players WANT to be cut and can't because it would be impossible to stay under the cap\sign draft picks, etc. (Lavar Arrington in 2006 needing to give back 5 million to make it happen is my favorite example) My thinking was that his potential ceiling > saving $3.7 million... that if he could recapture a bit of his old self it would be more than worth the $3.7. I didn't realize how high his base salary was going forward though. Yikes. Might just be worth it to cut bait now and close another chapter of Howie's Dumb Cap Management.
January 18, 20223 yr BG played well before he was hurt but father time will catch up with him I'm glad that Lane came back strong. I was worried he lost it because of age and too many injuries Brooks isn't worth IMO. He may be a top guard but he's hurt too much. He could come back like Lane but I doubt it Slay played like an all pro Cox isn't the same anymore and they need to look for a replacement Kelce is a legend and we always wonder when he'll retire. I honestly think he'll try to play a few more years to try and get another ring
January 18, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, paco said: Yes. And more players like Barnett who's contract hasn't automatically voided which won't show up until the start on the 2022 NFL season. Edit: Here is the list Barnett $7,248,800 McLeod $2,140,000 Anthony Harris $2,408,000 Kerrigan $1,140,000 Steven Nelson $1,208,000 So $14,144,800 on top of that for a grand total of $36,154,161 I would think Steven Nelson will be back. But yeah that's a lot of money to be paying to players not on the team anymore by the cap genius. How does this compare to other teams?
January 18, 20223 yr Author 11 minutes ago, NOTW said: I would think Steven Nelson will be back. But yeah that's a lot of money to be paying to players not on the team anymore by the cap genius. How does this compare to other teams? I'm not going to go through each one and manually figuring out the voided contracts that are not reflected in the main table. So if we just go by the main table, we have the second most in dead cap. The Texans have $35,462,243 posted. In 3rd place are the Jags with $17,809,664. So yes, we are in ELITE company. Also note, neither of those teams have contracts with automatic voided years kicking in this year, so their numbers will stay the same on day one while we shoot into first at $36 million.
January 18, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, paco said: I'm not going to go through each one and manually figuring out the voided contracts that are not reflected in the main table. So if we just go by the main table, we have the second most in dead cap. The Texans have $35,462,243 posted. In 3rd place are the Jags with $17,809,664. So yes, we are in ELITE company. 2nd in dead money, 22nd in cap space. "Cap genius." Btw, the Giants have only $77,580 of cap space and they suck!
January 18, 20223 yr Author 2 minutes ago, NOTW said: 2nd in dead money, 22nd in cap space. "Cap genius." Btw, the Giants have only $77,580 of cap space and they suck! and only 42 players under contract. We have 48. Also, lol saints. 64 million over the cap, only 40 players under contract.
January 18, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, paco said: Yes. And more players like Barnett who's contract hasn't automatically voided which won't show up until the start on the 2022 NFL season. Edit: Here is the list Barnett $7,248,800 McLeod $2,140,000 Anthony Harris $2,408,000 Kerrigan $1,140,000 Steven Nelson $1,208,000 So $14,144,800 on top of that for a grand total of $36,154,161 You can now add another 15.7 million
January 18, 20223 yr Author 3 minutes ago, downundermike said: You can now add another 15.7 million $51,890,633 in dead cap
January 18, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, paco said: $51,890,633 in dead cap It will be Ok, I see the solution already.
January 18, 20223 yr Here come the cap nerds to tell us how much cap trouble we are in for the 10th yr in a row.
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