3 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

If he wanted to bring Vision back why didn't he just ask Wanda when she went there? He told her he was dismantling Vision and that pissed her off. If he said he was trying to bring Vision back then I bet she would be all for that

Remember, he referred to vision as a weapon. If she brought him back to life, Hayward isn't going to say "I knew you could do it, see you two at the Xmas party. Now both you go on home!"

Funny how we're not singing about Agatha now.

Story writers are geniuses. Suckered us in with

we knew it was her the whole time!

and then punched us square in the face with who Agatha really is.

I'm kind of annoyed with the length of these episodes. Plus the 7 minutes of credits is insane

A family battle royal ?

 

18 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

I'm kind of annoyed with the length of these episodes. Plus the 7 minutes of credits is insane

You may have mentioned that bud... 😄 I don't quite get why they have to be so long though. 

I have to say I've really enjoyed this series but a lot of it has gone over my head. Like I get it but without having read the comics etc I feel like some of the unveilings lack punch.

2 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

You may have mentioned that bud... 😄 I don't quite get why they have to be so long though. 

I have to say I've really enjoyed this series but a lot of it has gone over my head. Like I get it but without having read the comics etc I feel like some of the unveilings lack punch.

Probably going to need to re-watch it since it's one of those shows that something was obvious but hidden from the audience

There's a lot of things that they just wont be able to answer in the finale. Probably going to answer some and then leave off a big cliff hanger to get you to watch the new Dr Strange 

By the way, we are now 8 episodes into a marvel show without a single major action set piece. Almost like Marvel wanted to prove it could put out a quality story without huge fights, explosions, set pieces etc. I’m sure we’ll get something in this last episode but we’re about 4 hours in and no major fights.

My assumption is the credits are long because this isn't a normal TV show, the production team seems to be as big as a movie production.

Also, I believe Safety is correct that the reason Hayward lied to the others is because he wants Vision as a weapon and obviously Monica and the gang would not be down with that. So he has to make wanda look unhinged and dangerous so they would continue to help him.

9 hours ago, devpool said:

My assumption is the credits are long because this isn't a normal TV show, the production team seems to be as big as a movie production.

Also, I believe Safety is correct that the reason Hayward lied to the others is because he wants Vision as a weapon and obviously Monica and the gang would not be down with that. So he has to make wanda look unhinged and dangerous so they would continue to help him.

This makes sense once you think about it enough. Hayward is the director of sword, which is kinda like the new shield. Hayward tries to make a vision weapon, which is against the will of vision and presumably against what sword stands for morally. Hayward gets defeated in the end and then the surprise cameo shows up and assumes the director position sword, Nick Fury....

On 2/27/2021 at 10:01 PM, Mike030270 said:

I'm kind of annoyed with the length of these episodes. Plus the 7 minutes of credits is insane

what if this is actually ultron and hayward has been a pawn all along ? 

 

also, they did change the origin storyline of agatha a bit compared to what i remember from the comics. if you read them you know what happens eventually. only question is how they will tell it in the series. 

6 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

what if this is actually ultron and hayward has been a pawn all along ? . 

personally, i really liked the MCU Ultron character/james spader.

1 minute ago, wholesale_Melvin said:

personally, i really liked the MCU Ultron character/james spader.

so did i and he did come back in the comics. 

I loved James Spader as Ultron and would like to see them bring him back. My only problem was I felt they made him a little too quippy. Let him be more menacing like that first introductory scene and I’m all in! 

17 hours ago, devpool said:

My assumption is the credits are long because this isn't a normal TV show, the production team seems to be as big as a movie production.

Also, I believe Safety is correct that the reason Hayward lied to the others is because he wants Vision as a weapon and obviously Monica and the gang would not be down with that. So he has to make wanda look unhinged and dangerous so they would continue to help him.

One more thing to consider, Woo points out that trying to reanimate Vision is in violation of the Sokovia Accords, meaning what Hayward is doing is also in violation of US and International Law.  So unless their is a Shield and Sword exception, Hayward and his team are conducting illegal experimentation on Vision.

I've really enjoyed this series but... I feel like you need a good level of comic book knowledge for some of this series to truly have an impact?

How did S.W.O.R.D. get Visions body anyway? Last we saw was he was dead/offline in Wakanda. Don't see them just letting the organization in like that

3 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I've really enjoyed this series but... I feel like you need a good level of comic book knowledge for some of this series to truly have an impact?

I think some of the easter eggs definitely require comic knowledge, but overall I think if you've seen every movie since the maximoffs were introduced that's plenty to enjoy and understand the series.

5 hours ago, 20Safety_Hazards said:

One more thing to consider, Woo points out that trying to reanimate Vision is in violation of the Sokovia Accords, meaning what Hayward is doing is also in violation of US and International Law.  So unless their is a Shield and Sword exception, Hayward and his team are conducting illegal experimentation on Vision.

So can we say that everyone in that room knew they were breaking the law when Vision was reanimated?

28 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

So can we say that everyone in that room knew they were breaking the law when Vision was reanimated?

If it's like any other government organization, probably not. All the lower level guys down there doing the real work while the leaders work their angles 

4 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

How did S.W.O.R.D. get Visions body anyway? Last we saw was he was dead/offline in Wakanda. Don't see them just letting the organization in like that

My guess is the surviving avengers brought his body back to avengers compound at which point SWORD collected it. Since Vision signed the accords, and presumably sword is under the accords,  they probably had a claim to recover it. Probably under the claim of protecting it. 

55 minutes ago, devpool said:

If it's like any other government organization, probably not. All the lower level guys down there doing the real work while the leaders work their angles 

Right, some sort of qualified immunity.  Though who really knows the ins and outs of the accords.... well other than Jimmy Woo who seems to have it memorized. 

5 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

How did S.W.O.R.D. get Visions body anyway? Last we saw was he was dead/offline in Wakanda. Don't see them just letting the organization in like that

What Safety said.

Plus we're talking after the horrific and shocking events of the snap, T'Challa their King gone, it was all chaos. Wakanda had their own business to deal with. Why would they object to a dead android from outside Wakanda being taken by Captain America and the Avengers?

7 hours ago, 20Safety_Hazards said:

One more thing to consider, Woo points out that trying to reanimate Vision is in violation of the Sokovia Accords, meaning what Hayward is doing is also in violation of US and International Law.  So unless their is a Shield and Sword exception, Hayward and his team are conducting illegal experimentation on Vision.

Woo knows his stuff! 

8 hours ago, NOTW said:

Woo knows his stuff! 

Woo is becoming a very likeable character.