eagle45 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 On 12/28/2020 at 6:59 PM, Talonblood said: Where is Reagor's speed? He isn't separating from anyone. He actually looks slow. Howie's boy. Well, we all know JJ is balling out. I just don't know how a guy as fast as Reagor all of a sudden is NOT fast. It's worse than Markelle Fultz forgetting how to shoot. I think the combine 4.49 with horrible agility drills for a guy whose entire game is predicated on speed was a major red flag. We all, myself included, rationalized it as a bad day and circled jerked to some fabricated 4.2 GPS story during an unattended pro-day. Speed matters and guys run for stop watches in Indy for a reason. Reagor, a pure speed player who never learned to run routes, is not nearly as fast as advertised and the combine exposed that. We ignored it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwestbrook36 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 39 minutes ago, eagle45 said: I think the combine 4.49 with horrible agility drills for a guy whose entire game is predicated on speed was a major red flag. We all, myself included, rationalized it as a bad day and circled jerked to some fabricated 4.2 GPS story during an unattended pro-day. Speed matters and guys run for stop watches in Indy for a reason. Reagor, a pure speed player who never learned to run routes, is not nearly as fast as advertised and the combine exposed that. We ignored it. Jefferson ran a 4.4 as well. If you can't run a damn route it doesn't matter how fast you are. Guys come into this league with blazing speed all the time and flame out because they don't learn the techniques and learn their craft. That's why some of the slowest receivers are some of the best receivers of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brkmsn Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 I think Reagor is indeed as fast as advertised. You really see that speed on some of the plays. However, I think this rookie season was a bit harder than he expected. Look for him to have a much better year next season (assuming teams get a full offseason and Doug doesn't take the guys bowling in place of practice). I think we tried a little too hard at times to get him involved, to get him the ball in space when all we really needed to do was just let him settle in at PR while he learns how to be a true NFL WR. Remember he was drafted to be our Z receiver once we moved on from Jackson, but the vacancy at X due to Jeffery's slow return allowed him an opportunity to practice and play there to start the season. Then the thumb injury set him back and eventually Fulgham settled in there until Jeffery came back. Once Reagor's thumb healed, he was switched back to Z to fill in for Jackson. So he never really got the chance to settle in at one WR position, lost some valuable time with injuries and made his share of mistakes while trying to "catch up." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judunno Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 11 hours ago, downundermike said: Yep. Watch us draft Chase, and find out he benefited from Jefferson and is not all that. Stop it. That would really really suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK_EaglesFan89 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 11 minutes ago, judunno said: Stop it. That would really really suck. Hate to say it but whoever Howie drafts I'm going to be reserved about. We could draft Chase and at the time I'll be excited but I'll then be hesitant until I see the guy play. At this point I expect any Howie pick to be a bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judunno Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: Hate to say it but whoever Howie drafts I'm going to be reserved about. We could draft Chase and at the time I'll be excited but I'll then be hesitant until I see the guy play. At this point I expect any Howie pick to be a bust. yeah. whatever analytics card deck he's using to pick players needs to be thrown out then hire and trust some real talent evaluators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK_EaglesFan89 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 47 minutes ago, judunno said: yeah. whatever analytics card deck he's using to pick players needs to be thrown out then hire and trust some real talent evaluators. Or much easier to just fire him... 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwestbrook36 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 3 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: Or much easier to just fire him... 😁 You guys are getting your hopes up. Could be worse could have 8 picks in the 1st and 2nd round in the last 3 years and only end up with 2 decent players after trading away the best players in the league for those picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perforator Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 14 hours ago, brkmsn said: I think Reagor is indeed as fast as advertised. You really see that speed on some of the plays. However, I think this rookie season was a bit harder than he expected. Look for him to have a much better year next season (assuming teams get a full offseason and Doug doesn't take the guys bowling in place of practice). I think we tried a little too hard at times to get him involved, to get him the ball in space when all we really needed to do was just let him settle in at PR while he learns how to be a true NFL WR. Remember he was drafted to be our Z receiver once we moved on from Jackson, but the vacancy at X due to Jeffery's slow return allowed him an opportunity to practice and play there to start the season. Then the thumb injury set him back and eventually Fulgham settled in there until Jeffery came back. Once Reagor's thumb healed, he was switched back to Z to fill in for Jackson. So he never really got the chance to settle in at one WR position, lost some valuable time with injuries and made his share of mistakes while trying to "catch up." You know what this sounds like? Excuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathByEagle Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 8 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: Hate to say it but whoever Howie drafts I'm going to be reserved about. We could draft Chase and at the time I'll be excited but I'll then be hesitant until I see the guy play. At this point I expect any Howie pick to be a bust. "That's the spirit. There's the positivity. 😁" Thats a post from you after I said I was disappointed we drafted Reagor and thought he was a project back in July, lol. Sounds like your taking a 180, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brkmsn Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Perforator said: You know what this sounds like? Excuses. Big deal. It's a recap of his 2020. IMO, the average Eagles fan sounds like a whiney little girl complaining because she didn't get what she wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK_EaglesFan89 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 2 hours ago, DeathByEagle said: Thats a post from you after I said I was disappointed we drafted Reagor and thought he was a project back in July, lol. Sounds like your taking a 180, lol. I wouldn't say a 180. I've seen a little from Reagor but not a lot. He's not been special at this point which is a concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleVA Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 11 hours ago, judunno said: yeah. whatever analytics card deck he's using to pick players needs to be thrown out then hire and trust some real talent evaluators. He used a GPS to clock Reagor at the 4.2 speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleVA Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 18 hours ago, brkmsn said: Remember he was drafted to be our Z receiver once we moved on from Jackson, but the vacancy at X due to Jeffery's slow return allowed him an opportunity to practice and play there to start the season. If Reagor is going to have success in the NFL I think the slot is the position that he's best suited for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK_EaglesFan89 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, EagleVA said: If Reagor is going to have success in the NFL I think the slot is the position that he's best suited for. I mean... You might have a point there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brkmsn Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 4 hours ago, EagleVA said: If Reagor is going to have success in the NFL I think the slot is the position that he's best suited for. I don't think he's "best suited" to be a slot WR. I do believe in him lining up in the slot on occasion to try to create mismatches. Reagor has everything you want in a Flanker. He has the speed you like, the quickness, and the ability to track the ball well. You want to use him in motion a lot to take advantage of his strengths and to incorporate his versatility into play design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleVA Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 5 hours ago, brkmsn said: Reagor has everything you want in a Flanker. Right, everything except production. I think you try to get the ball to him with short to intermediate passes which will put him in punt return mode, if the clumsy guy can stay on his feet he'll be productive as a runner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runtherock Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Reagor is raw punt returner who can play some receiver. That’s what he is. Has some talent. Will hit a return or an end around occasionally, maybe a 50 yard reception every now and then. But a consistent professional receiver who runs good routes and understands the nuances .. he’s not that guy, never was and may never be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devpool Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 On 12/31/2020 at 10:20 AM, brkmsn said: I think Reagor is indeed as fast as advertised. You really see that speed on some of the plays. However, I think this rookie season was a bit harder than he expected. Look for him to have a much better year next season (assuming teams get a full offseason and Doug doesn't take the guys bowling in place of practice). I think we tried a little too hard at times to get him involved, to get him the ball in space when all we really needed to do was just let him settle in at PR while he learns how to be a true NFL WR. Remember he was drafted to be our Z receiver once we moved on from Jackson, but the vacancy at X due to Jeffery's slow return allowed him an opportunity to practice and play there to start the season. Then the thumb injury set him back and eventually Fulgham settled in there until Jeffery came back. Once Reagor's thumb healed, he was switched back to Z to fill in for Jackson. So he never really got the chance to settle in at one WR position, lost some valuable time with injuries and made his share of mistakes while trying to "catch up." They did the exact opposite. Plays that should have been going to reagor were going to Greg ward for 90% of the season, they did their best NOT to get him involved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK_EaglesFan89 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 2 hours ago, devpool said: They did the exact opposite. Plays that should have been going to reagor were going to Greg ward for 90% of the season, they did their best NOT to get him involved I'd agree somewhat here. I do think they tried to get him involved in a lot of ways but not in the correct ways. They need him to stretch the field more and they should have just him more on those Ward plays where the purpose was to gain YAC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brkmsn Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 6 hours ago, devpool said: They did the exact opposite. Plays that should have been going to reagor were going to Greg ward for 90% of the season, they did their best NOT to get him involved 4 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: I'd agree somewhat here. I do think they tried to get him involved in a lot of ways but not in the correct ways. They need him to stretch the field more and they should have just him more on those Ward plays where the purpose was to gain YAC. To clarify my point ... I feel there were many times where a play that went to Reagor was more "forced" as opposed to "natural." In fact, I feel like that same idea sums up our entire offense this season (i.e. we needed to improve our passing game so we passed more). IMO, we should have shown a little more trust in Reagor as a punt returner. I understand he muffed his very first return and his 3rd as well (which he picked up and took to the house). After that TD, he didn't have a single return the next 2 weeks and only had 1 vs Dallas (15 yards). But that was an area we needed more production from and it was a "natural" opportunity to get Reagor a touch. I also wouldn't mind seeing Reagor or anybody else returning kickoffs over Scott. I feel like Reagor is the kind of player that can really make an impact as a return specialist while he improves as a WR in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleVA Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 11 hours ago, Runtherock said: Reagor is raw punt returner who can play some receiver. That’s what he is. Has some talent. Will hit a return or an end around occasionally, maybe a 50 yard reception every now and then. But a consistent professional receiver who runs good routes and understands the nuances .. he’s not that guy, never was and may never be. Pretty much sums it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK_EaglesFan89 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 1 hour ago, brkmsn said: To clarify my point ... I feel there were many times where a play that went to Reagor was more "forced" as opposed to "natural." In fact, I feel like that same idea sums up our entire offense this season (i.e. we needed to improve our passing game so we passed more). IMO, we should have shown a little more trust in Reagor as a punt returner. I understand he muffed his very first return and his 3rd as well (which he picked up and took to the house). After that TD, he didn't have a single return the next 2 weeks and only had 1 vs Dallas (15 yards). But that was an area we needed more production from and it was a "natural" opportunity to get Reagor a touch. I also wouldn't mind seeing Reagor or anybody else returning kickoffs over Scott. I feel like Reagor is the kind of player that can really make an impact as a return specialist while he improves as a WR in the NFL. Yeah I'd agree with this. They wanted to force the ball to Reagor. Early in the year they were getting him on intermediate passes in traffic where he couldn't use his supposed speed and agility much. That's how he ended up getting injured in fact. That to me was where they were really forcing things to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philafan4o8 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 I am still a huge fan of Reagor and still thinks he can be solid but he has not been as good as I though he could be. There is still time. But Chris Olave from Ohio State is probably going to be the player Reagor should have been in the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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