9 hours ago, DBW said:

But can we talk about how a practice squad guy that they cut at one point is outperforming a bunch of howie picks?  Or that howie gave Peter’s $3m extra keep the trainers busy taping his legs back on while a 7th round flier that clearly is better at this point rots on the bench.  Or how bout the absurd contract he gave to alshon "white men can jump higher than me” jeffrey?  Do we give him a pass on cutting Douglas and Jones who evidently can ball but we had to keep a bunch of 5’3” corners because they teach howie how dance at practice and pregame?  
 

for every one instance you can come up with about how great howie is, there’s 10 failures that I don’t even have to try to come up with. 

But that is true for every single NFL GM.....past or present.  History and even current rosters have plenty of guys who were drafted late, or not even drafted and become good starters or even   pro bowl talent.  So stop cherry picking some players who beat the odds or discussing contracts that you don't understand.  

Jason Peters was undrafted. James Harrison of the steelers was cut 2-3 times in the beginning of his career.  kurt warner was packing supermarket shelves after college.....the list is long and extensive, so this sh-- happens all the time.

This all is a typical philly fan overreaction. One bad year and it's throw in the towel on everything.  You guys must be really pissed that Roseman isn't going anywhere....Lurie won't even consider firing the guy until this team is a losing team for 4-5 years.  

 

Get a QB who can actually read the defense and deliver accurate passes, then we can have this discussion. 
 

Personally I have liked what I’ve seen from Reagor thus far. The injury set him back, and now his QB is doing him no favors. 

27 minutes ago, nipples said:

Get a QB who can actually read the defense and deliver accurate passes, then we can have this discussion. 
 

Personally I have liked what I’ve seen from Reagor thus far. The injury set him back, and now his QB is doing him no favors. 

It’s sad what has become of the Eagles quarterback. His fall may be one of the biggest drops I’ve ever saw a player taken. He’s gone from MVP level to disaster in 3 years time. 

I couldn't give a rat's arse about Jefferson or any other player that isn't on the Eagles. I do like what I've seen from Reagor so far he has shown flashes and I expect him to be a very good w.r. here. 

Apparently the Eagles really liked Jefferson. They just felt Reagor had a more valuable skill set.

9 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

Calm down, Nancy.

Keep whining, Jane. 

21 minutes ago, wyote said:

Keep whining, Jane. 

Oh, so now stating facts is whining. You are the emotional one here.

9 hours ago, Br3 said:

I love the fans who defend howies terrible picks with "you can’t just plug x receiver into our system and expect him to produce” 

meanwhile the guys howie take that supposedly "fit our scheme” never contribute Jack sheet so what exactly is your point again? 

Point is that you guys are never,ever objective and are just reactionary. You never look at the big picture and only focus on single things. You never do a comparison to the rest of the league because it would take took much work to actually do and it is easier to be ignorant and complain.

Howie is what he is - an slightly above average GM. He is not the best in the league but he is better then a lot of GMs. However since day one talk radio has pushed this idiotic narrative that Howie doesnt know what he is doing because he didnt play football and there are a group of fans that have embraced that ever since. It is a lazy narrative that is based in a completely myopic and old viewpoint.

Quarterback factory.

Enough said

11 hours ago, pallidrone said:

I love how fans actually think they can plug any player onto any team and they will automatically produce at the same level as they currently do. I really believe that Madden has ruined objective football talk.

It is kind of hard for a WR to produce when the QB is playing as poorly as Wentz. JJ would be terrible here because of Wentz and the scheme.

I am not a huge fan of Howie, but you guys are ridiculous when it comes to him and always have been. He will be here for at least one more year. Depending on what actually happens with the cap situation next year and what this team looks at the end of 2021 will seal his fate. Will he be able to work the cap magic that he has been able to do in the past and make this team into a winner again or will this team be even worse next year?

By the exact same token, is it possible that Wentz would be performing better if he had better weapons in the passing game? Is it possible that he'd be playing much better if he had Jefferson starting rather than a collection of practice squad guys and late round draft picks because our starters have been injured?

We're all speaking in hypotheticals, so no one really knows if Jefferson would be terrible here because of Wentz or if Wentz would look better than he does now with a stud like Jefferson in the lineup.

15 hours ago, QBhunter58 said:

Laurie is completely blind when it comes to Howie... dumping him is a total non-starter. He may shake up the coaching staff, which would also be justified. But he is never gonna be the guy who calls howie out for his trash drafting ability and kick it down the road contract negotiations. 

Lurie.

15 hours ago, Philthy Jawn said:

I think Lurie is way too close to Howie, who is something of a second son to him.  So, what I think happens is that Roseman is shifted into a Banner-type role, which is really what he is best suited for, imho.

I don't completely buy this idea.

Lurie demoted Howie and gave all the power to Chip.  Why did he do that?  Why was he not loyal to Howie?

Lurie also let his long time friend Banner go.

Lurie then also brought in Joe Douglas to control personnel, a guy from outside and not someone in their usual network, a guy from a team with one of the better GMs and solid drafting history and 2 Super Bowls within 10 years of each other.  That signaled not trusting how things were, wanting to bring in help.

Lurie wants results.  He hangs onto people a little longer to see if they can get things back on track but as soon as he sees things starting to be a problem, he makes a change.  It was also rumored that he is the one who wanted Doug's OC and WR coach fired.  We'll see how he reacts after this season.  I'm sure he's aware of the cap situation in 2021.

As an LSU fan, I liked Jefferson a lot. He was my second target at WR (after Lamb). Was never against Reagor, but he's also not who I would've picked/who I wanted. I think the pick makes sense given what Wentz likes to do as a QB, but of course no one saw the huge decline in Wentz coming this season. 

I've said it before, but naturally the player we took is the player who has sustained multiple injuries and only played in a few games. Of course the player we took has shown close to nothing in the NFL. He had a great catch against Darby (wide open) week one. Since that we've seen him run incorrect/lazy routes, not get the targets and drop some passes.

Still early to give up on him, but people penciling him in as a starter for this team moving forward should probably hold off. 

35 minutes ago, Kz! said:

By the exact same token, is it possible that Wentz would be performing better if he had better weapons in the passing game? Is it possible that he'd be playing much better if he had Jefferson starting rather than a collection of practice squad guys and late round draft picks because our starters have been injured?

We're all speaking in hypotheticals, so no one really knows if Jefferson would be terrible here because of Wentz or if Wentz would look better than he does now with a stud like Jefferson in the lineup.

Absolutely. Would JJ have the same stats without a stud WR next to him in Adam Thielen (who was an UDFA)?

Everything we say is conjecture and I realize that. Yet, a lot of people speak with absolute certainty that doing X move would have actually made a difference. It is nonsense.

I don't have a strong opinion about Reagor over Jefferson.  There were a lot of WRs that fans wanted out of this draft.  Reagor was not a bad pick, he has shown some good things as a rookie in limited games due to injury. I think he will be a solid player.  If Jefferson turns out to be the better choice, it will be another example of where fans aren't necessarily saying the player taken is bad, just that the team could have got someone better. 

Granted, teams miss on draft picks and hindsight is 20/20.  But we've seen a lot of examples of the team drafting a guy who is an ok starter but not drafting enough star players.   A pick like Barnett in a deep corner class and you go DE you expect a stud, not just a decent starter.  We'll see how Dillard works out, at the moment a 7th round project who never played football before looks more promising but Dillard played well as a rookie so we'll see how he develops.

I think fans are just tired of drafting guys high who end up just decent players or busts, and looking for star talent out of the 1st round.

7 minutes ago, NOTW said:

I don't have a strong opinion about Reagor over Jefferson.  There were a lot of WRs that fans wanted out of this draft.  Reagor was not a bad pick, he has shown some good things as a rookie in limited games due to injury. I think he will be a solid player.  If Jefferson turns out to be the better choice, it will be another example of where fans aren't necessarily saying the player taken is bad, just that the team could have got someone better. 

Granted, teams miss on draft picks and hindsight is 20/20.  But we've seen a lot of examples of the team drafting a guy who is an ok starter but not drafting enough star players.   A pick like Barnett in a deep corner class and you go DE you expect a stud, not just a decent starter.  We'll see how Dillard works out, at the moment a 7th round project who never played football before looks more promising but Dillard played well as a rookie so we'll see how he develops.

I think fans are just tired of drafting guys high who end up just decent players or busts, and looking for star talent out of the 1st round.

I can understand that. The injuries on this team has been out of whack for years and that plays a large role in all of this as well.

It is kind of hard to perform at a high level when you are never on the field. I dont know how they fix that.

2 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

I can understand that. The injuries on this team has been out of whack for years and that plays a large role in all of this as well.

It is kind of hard to perform at a high level when you are never on the field. I dont know how they fix that.

Injuries is a major problem yes.

But even without that, they only real star type talent I can think of in recent years are Sanders and Goedert.  I would include Wentz but there's a lot of debate right now about him of course.  The rest have been busts or just ok guys.  They need to hit on more star players in the draft.

2 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

Oh, so now stating facts is whining. You are the emotional one here.

Whiners usually state facts. 

Here's another fact. Almost every single draft pick that the Eagles make for the rest of your life  -- there'll be someone better that was picked later. 

And none of your whiny fact stating is going to change that. 

Just get over it. 

39 minutes ago, wyote said:

Whiners usually state facts. 

20 hours ago, Godfather said:

1. Jefferson and Tee Higgins were better options. Eagles are the new Lions when it comes to drafting wrs

Howie sucks.

6 hours ago, nipples said:

Get a QB who can actually read the defense and deliver accurate passes, then we can have this discussion. 
 

Personally I have liked what I’ve seen from Reagor thus far. The injury set him back, and now his QB is doing him no favors. 

Any QB with the line as porous as ours will have the SH.. beat out of him. Wentz has! This is why he is performing in a concussion state all the time. Whatever brains he had..were left on the field after the sack record on him.

2 hours ago, Traveler Vic said:

Any QB with the line as porous as ours will have the SH.. beat out of him. Wentz has! This is why he is performing in a concussion state all the time. Whatever brains he had..were left on the field after the sack record on him.

Please, the excuses are getting out of control. He’s been consistently sailing the ball over receiver’s heads all year, and that isn’t a new problem. He’s always had spotty accuracy and tends to sail passes high. It’s a miracle it hasn’t resulted in more interceptions until this year. 
 

And I can’t blame the line or being skittish for this particular issue. He’s had the problem in previous seasons and even during camp this year the media guys who were there kept mentioning how he’s missing a lot of passes high. 

26 minutes ago, nipples said:

Please, the excuses are getting out of control. He’s been consistently sailing the ball over receiver’s heads all year, and that isn’t a new problem. He’s always had spotty accuracy and tends to sail passes high. It’s a miracle it hasn’t resulted in more interceptions until this year. 

I feel like this too. I feel like I've seen him sail a number of passes over a WRs or RBs head. I can see a few of them just last year alone to Sanders.

And by the way... What's the deal with Wentz and Sanders? Why can't those two get on the same page? The average yards per attempt from Wentz to Sanders is 3.1! I mean that's shocking. 

23 hours ago, Godfather said:

Jefferson and Tee Higgins were better options. Eagles are the new Lions when it comes to drafting wrs

We’re way worse at drafting WR’s. They got Calvin and Golladay. Two dudes with the "Tron” somewhere in their nicknames 

7 hours ago, pallidrone said:

Point is that you guys are never,ever objective and are just reactionary. You never look at the big picture and only focus on single things. You never do a comparison to the rest of the league because it would take took much work to actually do and it is easier to be ignorant and complain.

Howie is what he is - an slightly above average GM. He is not the best in the league but he is better then a lot of GMs. However since day one talk radio has pushed this idiotic narrative that Howie doesnt know what he is doing because he didnt play football and there are a group of fans that have embraced that ever since. It is a lazy narrative that is based in a completely myopic and old viewpoint.

Okay so explain to me how Metcalf or Jefferson would not fit the scheme here but JJAW does.
 

Also what scheme do the Eagles run again? The 5 yard curl route scheme? Please explain 

21 minutes ago, Br3 said:

Okay so explain to me how Metcalf or Jefferson would not fit the scheme here but JJAW does.
 

Also what scheme do the Eagles run again? The 5 yard curl route scheme? Please explain 

JJ has a stud in Adam Thielen that takes away a lot of the coverage as well as the best RB in the league right now which opens up routes underneath. He is excelling because the defense focuses on other parts of the team and not him. If he was here, the focus would be on him.

DK Metcalf might do well here but who knows. He is slow out of his breaks (his cone time was slower then Tom Brady at the combine) and his best asset is beating CBs at the line of scrimmage and getting deep. Russell Wilson is probably the best deep ball thrower in the league and this is something that Carson Wentz struggles with. DK fell into the absolute right situation for him to succeed. I do not believe he would be as good anywhere else in the league.

While I usually like to wait a couple years to see how players turn out, JJAW at this point is probably not going to make it in the league. It happens.

The scheme that the Eagles like to employ makes more use of the intermediate and short passes, usually out of a 2 TE set. That is typically what they have ran over the last couple of years. This year who the hell knows as it is all over the place.