Just now, EagleJoe8 said:

Incorrect. The Giants killed Minnesota in the NFCCG. We lost to them in the divisional round. 

I was really talking about people still wanting Culpepper over McNabb even after they were killed by the Giants as well. Poor sentence structure on my behalf.

4 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

I always forgot about the articles written like this about other beloved Philadelphia athletes like Brian Dawkins and Jeremiah Trotter.

I just cant stop myself from lying today. It is a bad habit that I need to get therapy for to stop. I should probably call soon.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/702904-donovan-mcnabb-a-history-of-one-of-the-most-hated-players-in-nfl-history

 

Yes, articles from click baiters.  AS @4for4EaglesNest pointed out, this did not reflect the majority of fans.

Just now, downundermike said:

Yes, articles from click baiters.  AS @4for4EaglesNest pointed out, this did not reflect the majority of fans.

Ahh, gotcha. I need to make sure that any article that is negative needs to be collated, collaborated, revised, checked, graded, and given a check mark before it can be used in any conversation about the pulse of the fanbase's feelings for a player at any given time. 

 Well, I had to perpetuate the lie somehow, right?

Just now, pallidrone said:

Ahh, gotcha. I need to make sure that any article that is negative needs to be collated, collaborated, revised, checked, graded, and given a check mark before it can be used in any conversation about the pulse of the fanbase's feelings for a player at any given time. 

 Well, I had to perpetuate the lie somehow, right?

You are missing the point.

A couple of writers and radio hosts does not reflect "THE MAJORITY OF THE FAN BASE"

 

11 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

I was really talking about people still wanting Culpepper over McNabb even after they were killed by the Giants as well. Poor sentence structure on my behalf.

You mean the game where Culpepper put up 0 points?

The one where he went 13-28, for 78 yards with 3 INTs?

The fanbase was clamoring for THAT guy after McNabb's near MVP season? GTFO

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

You are missing the point.

A couple of writers and radio hosts does not reflect "THE MAJORITY OF THE FAN BASE"

 

And how would you then figure out what the majority of the fanbase feels about a player? All those posts from the old EMB are long gone. We can not go back and measure it out. All we have are articles and feelings.

If you used the blog, then you would think that Hurts is the worst starting QB that has ever put on a uniform for the Philadelphia Eagles. If you read the articles coming from reports like Roob, then you would think that he is the second coming of Cunningham. If you go through Reddit, you have a healthy dose of people who think he sucks and thinks he is good.

So exactly how does one know what the majority of the fanbase thinks? 20 years is a long time to remember how things were, one way or another. Especially when there are only traces of evidence left behind in the form of articles written back then.

In 20 years, how will Hurts be looked at, especially if he stays the Eagles QB and brings them to payoffs as McNabb did? 

Oh, and lying too. We have a lot of lying. Can not forget about lying.

3 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

And how would you then figure out what the majority of the fanbase feels about a player? All those posts from the old EMB are long gone. We can not go back and measure it out. All we have are articles and feelings.

If you used the blog, then you would think that Hurts is the worst starting QB that has ever put on a uniform for the Philadelphia Eagles. If you read the articles coming from reports like Roob, then you would think that he is the second coming of Cunningham. If you go through Reddit, you have a healthy dose of people who think he sucks and thinks he is good.

So exactly how does one know what the majority of the fanbase thinks? 20 years is a long time to remember how things were, one way or another. Especially when there are only traces of evidence left behind in the form of articles written back then.

In 20 years, how will Hurts be looked at, especially if he stays the Eagles QB and brings them to payoffs as McNabb did? 

Oh, and lying too. We have a lot of lying. Can not forget about lying.

I was on the boards then, multiple other posters who were also on the boards then said that was not the tone of the fans.

6 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

And how would you then figure out what the majority of the fanbase feels about a player? All those posts from the old EMB are long gone. We can not go back and measure it out. All we have are articles and feelings.

If you used the blog, then you would think that Hurts is the worst starting QB that has ever put on a uniform for the Philadelphia Eagles. If you read the articles coming from reports like Roob, then you would think that he is the second coming of Cunningham. If you go through Reddit, you have a healthy dose of people who think he sucks and thinks he is good.

So exactly how does one know what the majority of the fanbase thinks? 20 years is a long time to remember how things were, one way or another. Especially when there are only traces of evidence left behind in the form of articles written back then.

In 20 years, how will Hurts be looked at, especially if he stays the Eagles QB and brings them to payoffs as McNabb did? 

Oh, and lying too. We have a lot of lying. Can not forget about lying.

You made the claim that the majority were against McNabb after the great start to his career. Which makes no sense, and the onus is on you to prove your claim. You can't, because it's not true. 

7 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

You mean the game where Culpepper put up 0 points?

The one where he went 13-28, for 78 yards with 3 INTs?

The fanbase was clamoring for THAT guy after McNabb's near MVP season? GTFO

Yep. It was a strange time. People were hung up on the fact that Culpepper threw for almost 4,000 yards and had 40 combined TDs back then.

The argument was that they could have traded back, got more picks, and drafted Culpepper instead of taking McNabb at #2

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

I was on the boards then, multiple other posters who were also on the boards then said that was not the tone of the fans.

So was I. I was there for things like the 'Levon Kirkland will not be an Eagle thread' and posters like Hurricane Hugh.

It was not as rosy as you guys make it out to be. There was a lot of hatred for McNabb back then.

But I am lying, so it doesn't matter.

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

You made the claim that the majority were against McNabb after the great start to his career. Which makes no sense, and the onus is on you to prove your claim. You can't, because it's not true. 

That is where you are completely right. I did start with the majority being against McNabb, and I can not prove that. Just like nobody can prove the opposite, but even so, I brought it up first and foremost.

1 minute ago, pallidrone said:

That is where you are completely right. I did start with the majority being against McNabb, and I can not prove that. Just like nobody can prove the opposite, but even so, I brought it up first and foremost.

This entire race baiting crap  is exactly that, crap.

Hurts IMO will never be good enough of a passer to be a franchise QB, not sure how that makes anyone racist.

I was on board with acquiring Russell Wilson or Deshaun Watson ( who I have now changed my stance on )

So how does wanting to replace an African American QB with another African American QB make someone racist ?????

Just now, downundermike said:

This entire race baiting crap  is exactly that, crap.

Hurts IMO will never be good enough of a passer to be a franchise QB, not sure how that makes anyone racist.

I was on board with acquiring Russell Wilson or Deshaun Watson ( who I have now changed my stance on )

So how does wanting to replace an African American QB with another African American QB make someone racist ?????

Are you OK? I am not sure WTF you are blabbing about here.

44 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

The false narrative between Hurts/Wentz is hysterical(not you in particular) 

Wentz dominated hurts in every aspect with a way less talented team. 

 

our team last year was not more talented than the 2017 team. Even the 2019 team was better, the year Wentz had his worst season statistically. Davonta Smith does not make last years team suddenly amazing lol.

3 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

Are you OK? I am not sure WTF you are blabbing about here.

This whole conversation about McNabb started due to the race baiting discussion.

Those who think people don't like Hurts due to race, then started trying to perpetrate a false narrative that the fans in mass hated McNabb, which is not true.

 

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

This whole conversation about McNabb started due to the race baiting discussion.

Those who think people don't like Hurts due to race, then started trying to perpetrate a false narrative that the fans in mass hated McNabb, which is not true.

 

I don't think that at all. This has nothing to do with race. I think people don't like Hurts because he had a bad scouting report, was drafted in the second round when the Eagles had a QB, and was a project player that started before he should have. That made up a lot of people's minds before he really had a chance to get better.

I also think that people do not like when a team tries to do different things and does not do what everyone else does. That is why so many do not like Lamar Jackson.

 

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

what?

the 2021 Colts had a worse team then the 2021 Eagles. 

Wentz dominated every stat over Hurts. 

 

No they didn't LOL. They were a year removed from the playoffs with essentially the same roster Rivers took to the playoffs, yet Wentz couldn't get it done. He also lost to Jacksonville for a win and in game. Wentz was so dang good that he got the boot 😂

1 minute ago, pallidrone said:

I don't think that at all. This has nothing to do with race. I think people don't like Hurts because he had a bad scouting report, was drafted in the second round when the Eagles had a QB, and was a project player that started before he should have. That made up a lot of people's minds before he really had a chance to get better.

I also think that people do not like when a team tries to do different things and does not do what everyone else does. That is why so many do not like Lamar Jackson.

If hurts was throwing for nearly 65% completion percentage above 25 passing touchdowns a year with his running...you would have a few out to get him, but nowhere near the conversation we are having now. 

1 minute ago, Shalodeep said:

If hurts was throwing for nearly 65% completion percentage above 25 passing touchdowns a year with his running...you would have a few out to get him, but nowhere near the conversation we are having now. 

Even the beloved McNabb never threw for 65%, he only hit 64% once, and averaged 59& for his career.  Now explain to me why Hurts has to maintain such a higher % just to be considered worthy? 

6 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

If hurts was throwing for nearly 65% completion percentage above 25 passing touchdowns a year with his running...you would have a few out to get him, but nowhere near the conversation we are having now. 

I agree with you. Look, the starting QB for the Eagles is always going to have detractors. That is what happens. It is just loud right now with Hurts because he has not proven anything. If he ups his percentages, wins some tight games, wins against teams with winning records, and does well in the playoffs, then the noise will die down a bit.

I feel that the problem now is that some people have already dug their heels in, and it won't matter what Hurts does. In their eyes he will always be terrible.

4 minutes ago, MF POON said:

Even the beloved McNabb never threw for 65%, he only hit 64% once, and averaged 59& for his career.  Now explain to me why Hurts has to maintain such a higher % just to be considered worthy? 

Ummm we are discussing a completely different NFL in the early 2000s, and hurts wouldn't of been special with those numbers back then. Dear God, are all Hurts fans oblivious to the NFL changing?

If mcnabb was in this NFL with this team right now, I would put him down for 4200 and 30+ TDS no problem whatsoever 

2 hours ago, TorontoEagle said:

To compare Hurts and Wentz is asinine, they have completely different skill sets. 

No, to think I made a Hurts/Wentz comparison is what's asinine.

3 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

If mcnabb was in this NFL with this team right now, I would put him down for 4200 and 30+ TDS no problem whatsoever 

Prime McNabb? Easily hits those numbers at minimum with this current roster and these current rules. Easy. 

9 minutes ago, MF POON said:

Even the beloved McNabb never threw for 65%, he only hit 64% once, and averaged 59& for his career.  Now explain to me why Hurts has to maintain such a higher % just to be considered worthy? 

Different NFL.  That season, McNabb's 64% was 10th in the NFL, and only the top 19 guys were north of 60%.

In 2021, McNabb's 64% would rank 22nd, and 29 guys were north of 60%.

So looking at it another way, if McNabb ranked 10th in completion percentage, then Hurts would need to be 67.2% to rank 10th.

8 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

Ummm we are discussing a completely different NFL in the early 2000s, and hurts wouldn't of been special with those numbers back then. Dear God, are all Hurts fans oblivious to the NFL changing?

The NFL isn't so different that completion percentage should be way up. Carson Wentz in 2017 (you know, his MVP year) only threw for 60% completion.  So again, why does Hurts need to be around 65%??