28 minutes ago, eaglesflyers#1 said:

I know it’s not surprising but it’s insane to me how badly Howie messed up this organization. They have their hands tied and can’t even make offers to free agents because they’re still over the cap. What a nightmare to start out the new regime. 

It's called a rebuild. Plus, given the ridiculous money being given to mediocre starters, just wait two years until they're cut to save money and sign the same player for 1/3 the cost.

9 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think their secondary was worse and the only bright spot was Diggs.  I think Slay is better than Diggs.  Other than that, I don't think there is a single player in their secondary that I think is a clear upgrade over the Eagles.  This was PFF review of Dallas's secondary:

29. DALLAS COWBOYS

Dallas wasn’t tested downfield nearly as much as other weak secondaries, facing just 151 targets over 10 yards downfield, yet the secondary still managed to give up 16 passing touchdowns of 15-plus-yards (tied for third-most). Thirteen of those were over 20 yards downfield, tying for the most in the NFL. When targeted over 10 yards downfield in general, Dallas gave up the second-worst passer rating (123.6).

On a more positive note, rookie corner Trevon Diggs made progress as his rookie campaign went on. He went from a 43.9 coverage grade in his first six games to 83.4 over his last six outings (missed four games due to injury).

This was their review of the Eagles:

20. PHILADELPHIA EAGLES

Led by Rodney McLeod, the Eagles' safety play wasn’t all that bad. They ranked sixth among the 32 safety units in coverage grade this season. However, the cornerback group — whether from the outside or in the slot — fared poorly. Philly produced the fourth-to-last coverage grade among all the cornerback units. Darius Slay was the highest-graded man in the group, but he still surrendered 1.4 yards per coverage snap on the outside (67th of 90 qualifiers). https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2020-secondary-rankings 

Going off last year, sure, but I'm projecting into next year. We lost Mills and McLeod tore his ACL late in the year so Woods would be an upgrade to our roster. Slay is far an away more talented as an individual but after him its Maddox somewhere and then a whole lot of nothing. No more NRC. No more LeBlanc. There group isn't good either but I think Diggs, Lewis, Robinson is comparable to Slay, Maddox, ? Craig James I guess?

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

And you know all of this because of what he did over a decade ago?  Hell, less than a decade ago Lurie was a good owner.  

What does the passage of time have to do with the character of the individual?  It was just 3 years ago he screwed over a different NFL franchise... fortunately for them, they landed Frank Reich instead.  

What evidence do we have that McDaniels has grown from his failure in Denver?    Oh, the evidence is that he then screwed over the Colts before actually running their roster into the ground.   That's progress. 

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Meh.  People change and improve.  Or get worse, as we know all too often.  

Yes they can.  The passage of time is no guaranteed of improvement from McDaniels.  

I think we can pull what the Texans did to get rid of Osweiler to get Foles. 
 

Pretty sure it was Oz and a 2 to the Browns for a 5. Something like that. 
 

Get a pick plus BDN!!! LFG!!!!

 

15 minutes ago, greend said:

Exactly. Telling Lowie to back off is like giving candy to a husky kid and telling him not to eat it. No way are they backing off after Luries "I'm taking the team back" from Chip Kelly. 

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

thats good. I like either of their CBs but Ive always been a big Witherspoon fan so Id rather him. 

Either way, a legit #2 CB will be nice. 

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

Oh a slot CB - the missing piece.  At least Howie doesn't think he can make 2017 happen again by making the same exact types of signings.  

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

$4 to $5M for a 30 year old with supposedly 5 other teams in the mix. Pass.

3 hours ago, bpac55 said:

The Patriots spending spree is fascinating.  It's the complete opposite of what they usually do.  They might sign one big ticket guy but they generally fill the team out with role players and then nail the draft.  I guess we now know that Tom Brady is the one that made that possible.

 

You also have to think there's a lot of smoke to the rumors they want one of the top quarterbacks in the draft.

Gonna draft one in the 6th round, preferably from Michigan.

 

17 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Then why reply?

 

JFC

Fun, why are you so Fing cranky all the time?

Just now, greend said:

Fun, why are you so Fing cranky all the time?

He's big sad we didn't hire McDaniels

In 2009 McDaniel had #12, #18, #37, #48, #64, they landed Moreno RB, Ayers DE, Smith DB, McBath DB, Quinn TE, only the first two had any sort of NFL career. Bruton DB at #114 had a career as a backup.

In 2010, #22, #25, #45, #80, #87, D Thomas WR, Tebow QB, Beadles G, Walton C, Decker WR, Cox DB

Two years after McDaniels, Fox brought in Manning and went 13-3, only McDaniels draft picks left on the team were Decker, Thomas, Beadles and Walton, with Ayers on the bench. However, they picked #2 b/c McDaniels tanked the team and landed Von Miller.

 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

$4 to $5M for a 30 year old with supposedly 5 other teams in the mix. Pass.

And he's a slot corner.  They REALLY can't still think Maddox is an outside corner can they?  My goodness.  You have a guy on the team who's played his best football in the nickel yet you bring in NRC last year and now the interest being shown in this guy.  Are they that dumb?

18 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

So you trust Lowie and what they have done to the team over the past 3 years over JMcD?    I wouldn't consider him a recycled stiff.  It was over a decade ago where he made his mistakes. Plus a recycled stiff just won the SB.   But at least you were cogent with your response, thank you.   

Always glad to be cogent, so thanks for that.

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Going off last year, sure, but I'm projecting into next year. We lost Mills and McLeod tore his ACL late in the year so Woods would be an upgrade to our roster. Slay is far an away more talented as an individual but after him its Maddox somewhere and then a whole lot of nothing. No more NRC. No more LeBlanc. There group isn't good either but I think Diggs, Lewis, Robinson is comparable to Slay, Maddox, ? Craig James I guess?

Well we don't know what the depth chart looks like for either team heading into the season.  I am assuming each team will add some players.  I mean if the Eagles added Hooker, Conley and a decent rookie prospect at S or CB then the secondary looks better at least on paper.  

Would rather take a chance on Hooker. Younger, will be cheaper too. More upside.

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

And he's a slot corner.  They REALLY can't still think Maddox is an outside corner can they?  My goodness.  You have a guy on the team who's played his best football in the nickel yet you bring in NRC last year and now the interest being shown in this guy.  Are they that dumb?

You can get slot CBs in the 5th round. Hard pass.

14 minutes ago, justrelax said:

I don't make that leap or, perhaps more accurately, I would not ever want McDaniels to be given a free hand. He ruined that Denver team in his one foray outside NE, mixing ineptitude with arrogance, and he brought the same cheating attitude there that Belichick showed him in NE.

Put another way, what has he ever done well besides carry Belichick's water? Did he ever make the playoffs with a QB other than Brady? And does anyone like him? Could he put together a competent staff, especially considering his limited exposure to things non-Belichick?

I don't know Siriani from Syria but I think he has a better chance of putting together a decent staff, having worked under four HCs in the NFL. He certainly seems to have done well with Reich. Pity we didn't keep Reich and send Doug to Indy. That's a joke, son.

Put another way, no to McDaniels under any and all circumstances. And I want fresh blood, not another recycled stiff.

Agree on McDaniel.  I think the interview was as likely to pump information about BB’s system as anything.

FYI, Syria is a country in the Middle East and the site of Joe Biden’s first military strike.  Horrible dictator that gases his own people and some pretty awful militants seeking their own control. Won’t go into the sad way the refugees from there are treated around the world.  

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

Would rather take a chance on Hooker. 

No Vaccine is gonna help whatever you’re gonna catch  

7 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

So you care about the fact that he backed out of the Indy job?  That means that much to you?    Seriously?  Character concerns? 

 

That's the evidence that you have that he's still the same coach he was in Denver?  You know it's the real world.  Players and coaches do ish like that all the time.  Doesn't make him a bad coach.  You think I would be a better candidate than him?  Since I never did that, does that make me a better coach?

So, to be clear, you are saying that character, being a man of integrity and standing by your word is NOT of value to you 'in the real world'?   Well, that says a lot, doesn't it?   

 

Yes, when a man doesn't fulfill his agreements, then I have an issue with that.  Equally, I had a problem when Frank Gore agreed to terms with the Eagles on a contract, then backed out.  He's within his rights to change his mind until the moment that he puts pen to paper, but forgive me for believing that a handshake is a contract that a man should honor.  If a man agrees to do a job, then the contract, in my opinion, is merely a formality.  Let your "yes" be yes, and your "no" be no.  If you don't like that, that's too bad. 

 

The argument against McDaniels was his incompetence in Denver.   There is no evidence that he's improved as a coach since then.  But, when he had a chance to prove himself, and agreed to the job in Detroit... he backed out.  Shame on him.  That doesn't mean anything about him as a coach.  I don't need it to.  His resume as a coach says plenty.   Has he developed a QB?  Nope.   Jimmy G hardly stands as a strong testament to his tutelage.  

 

But, let's flip it around.  What have you seen from McDaniels that has your tongue wagging for him months later from when he was passed over for the Eagles' job? So far all I've seen is that you believe, without evidence, that he might have improved from his Denver tenure.   Hardly compelling.

 

5 hours ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

We needed more help than backup QB in the 2nd last year.  The selection was bad.  The message was bad.  End of debate.

That's fair I'm certainly not going to argue the second pick from last year. At the time it was a bad pick and it only becomes a good pick now when the damage has been done. 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

So, to be clear, you are saying that character, being a man of integrity and standing by your word is NOT of value to you 'in the real world'?   Well, that says a lot, doesn't it?   

 

 

But, let's flip it around.  What have you seen from McDaniels that has your tongue wagging for him months later from when he was passed over for the Eagles' job? So far all I've seen is that you believe, without evidence, that he might have improved from his Denver tenure.   Hardly compelling.

Nor is there any evidence that he was demanding or expecting more personnel control and that is why he was passed over...just pure speculation stated as fact

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

That's not one of the options.  The JMcD option would be with the idea that Lowie would back the F off.  That's the whole point of the question, since either he wouldn't want the job since they wouldn't let him do his thing. 

Thing with McDaniels is his stint in Denver with full control was a flipping disaster.  I'd want somebody to reign him in or make sure he didn't go full **** like he did in Denver.  Although he couldn't dismantle this roster like he did in Denver because there's not much to dismantle at this point.