1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

Are you the same person that you were a decade ago?  I am not.  Things change and we learn as we age, or hopefully we do.  Most of us learn from our failures.  I was a lot better leader when I retired than when I got my first management job.  

Three years ago, McDaniel was probably thinking he was the heir apparent to Belichek, who was presumed to be on the cusp of retiring.  Now it looks like he will coach for at least two more years and his son Stephen continues to progress at a Patriot defensive coach, Bill’s area of expertise.  Plus, BB has a defensive protégée on the staff so maybe McDaniels realizes he may not be the heir apparent after all.  

I am not saying he is or isn’t better than a decade ago and the hiring assistants only to not take the Colts job leaves me with a bad aftertaste, but isn’t it the Judo/Christian ( and frankly, most other belief systems) expectation that we grow in character with the passage of time.  

No, I am not the same person I was.  That's not the point.  There is some love affair with McDaniels by 4for4... and he can't point to a single trait or thing that he's done specifically to say, 'yeah, that's why I want McDaniels.'   

 

As for the Judo-Christian mindset... the answer is:  "By their fruit, you will know them."   McDaniels' fruit is rotten.  Point to how he is a changed man, a changed coach or a changed director of a football program.   What's the evidence?    Don't give me platitudes, give me facts.   I haven't argued against McDaniels because I don't like his face, because I don't like his hair cut or some other nonsense.  My argument is based on the results on the field, on the roster and in the building of a franchise.  It is data-driven, not feelings.   I won't argue against shadows.  Give me some facts.   You want to make a case that Josh McDaniels is a better coach now than he was 10 years ago.  Go ahead, make it.   But, for that matter, why not hire Eric Mangini instead.  He's got a Belichek pedigree and a failed tenure as a HC as well.  Why not Jim Zorn? Or any other failed HC from 10 years ago?   

4 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

If Ertz is willing to play out his contract, that gives the Eagles the option of hanging onto him if the deal offered isn’t good.  Chance that between now and the trade deadline an injury results in a higher offer and if not a comp pick next year.  

It still seems that he wants out. Keeping disgruntled players for a potential comp pick in 2023 doesn't do much for me. I think this report he's willing to play on his current deal is to drum up interest for a team that wants him for one year, cheap. Which means the offers they are getting are probably terrible and maybe they can squeeze a 5th out of someone for a one year rental.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It still seems that he wants out. Keeping disgruntled players for a potential comp pick in 2023 doesn't do much for me. I think this report he's willing to play on his current deal is to drum up interest for a team that wants him for one year, cheap. Which means the offers they are getting are probably terrible and maybe they can squeeze a 5th out of someone for a one year rental.

Yeah but could you imagine having ertz, goedert and pitts..... TIGHT END FACTORY!!!! 

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It still seems that he wants out. Keeping disgruntled players for a potential comp pick in 2023 doesn't do much for me. I think this report he's willing to play on his current deal is to drum up interest for a team that wants him for one year, cheap. Which means the offers they are getting are probably terrible and maybe they can squeeze a 5th out of someone for a one year rental.

 

If we've learned anything over the last few years it's that Howie holds no concern over potential locker room dynamic issues. 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

No, I am not the same person I was.  That's not the point.  There is some love affair with McDaniels by 4for4... and he can't point to a single trait or thing that he's done specifically to say, 'yeah, that's why I want McDaniels.'   

 

As for the Judo-Christian mindset... the answer is:  "By their fruit, you will know them."   McDaniels' fruit is rotten.  Point to how he is a changed man, a changed coach or a changed director of a football program.   What's the evidence?    Don't give me platitudes, give me facts.   I haven't argued against McDaniels because I don't like his face, because I don't like his hair cut or some other nonsense.  My argument is based on the results on the field, on the roster and in the building of a franchise.  It is data-driven, not feelings.   I won't argue against shadows.  Give me some facts.   You want to make a case that Josh McDaniels is a better coach now than he was 10 years ago.  Go ahead, make it.   But, for that matter, why not hire Eric Mangini instead.  He's got a Belichek pedigree and a failed tenure as a HC as well.  Why not Jim Zorn? Or any other failed HC from 10 years ago?   

I can’t offer facts that McDaniel learned from his failure in Denver, I can’t offer facts he didn’t.  I don’t agree with 4for4 on this.  I just hesitate to judge someone strictly as to what happened ten years ago.   A question I would ask in interviewing folks was to tell me about a failure and how they dealt with it.  You would be surprised how many folks can’t bring themselves to admit a failure.  One of my best hires told me about hers, talked about how she sought out help in resolving and talked about what she had learned from it.   I have a similar story in my past.  The person it put me in conflict with heard from a peer how I expressed about it and later sought me out to lead an international project for him.   I would be curious how McDaniel would answer that question as two of his failures were so public.  

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I said, in the real world character doesn't matter to me?    I used "it's the real world" as a figure of speech regarding how in the real NFL world, guys back out and go against their word.  Not that in OUR REAL WORLD,  character doesn't mean much to me.  I mean you know the difference, right?  No....I don't care that JMcD backed out on the Colts.  He is not marrying my daughter or moving in next to me.  

 

BTW.  I am not "so excited about him 2 months later".... For christ sakes.  Do better.  I just mentioned an alternative scenario from the one we are faced with now.  Especially in the light of recent stories about Lowie.  I could have used Duce or any other alternative.  But JMcD was the logical one since he was the front runner and met with Lowie more than anyone else, before anyone even knew Siriani's name.  

But here you are defending McDaniels to the hilt.  I disagree that having McDaniels in place would be a better situation than our current one.  I've laid out why.  You can disagree with that all you want, but you've made zero case that the other alternative in your false dilemma scenario would be superior.  

As for NFL real world versus OUR real world... they are both real world, bro.  NFL is real people with real lives doing these things, this isnt Madden, a soap opera or any other fiction.  It's real.  And character always matters to me, I won't partition off one part of my own integrity for the sake of football.  I want the face of my franchise to be a person of integrity.  And it bothers me when they are not.  Yes, that includes Lowie.

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You are dead wrong!  I think he was a better candidate than NS.  He was the other logical candidate based on the list of guys we interviewed.  He was not my first or second choice.  But he was THE alternative to NS in the 11th hour.  Quit jumping to conclusions or putting words in my mouth.  He was the best available candidate.  I was more in love with Lincoln Riley and Bienemy, then I was with JMcD.  But out of the list of 10.....JMcD was the best option in my eyes.  

 

 

So do me a favor and don't make up ish.  And if you do,  have the stones to tag me.  

My failure to tag you has nothing to do with my stones.  You are such a drama queen when someone disagrees with you.

 

Great answer on McDaniels btw.  He's the better choice.  No reasons given.  It would be nice if you had anything to actually advance the conversation rather than just puffing out your chest.   But you do you.   

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah but could you imagine having ertz, goedert and pitts..... TIGHT END FACTORY!!!! 

I can picture it now. 4th and goal with a go ahead TD on the line. Pitts lines up in the X for a double post. Ertz in the slot motions pre-snap into a seam route, Goedert stays in-line to give a chip and run a slant....

 

 

 

Fade to Hakeem Butler!

15 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

No, I am not the same person I was.  That's not the point.  There is some love affair with McDaniels by 4for4... and he can't point to a single trait or thing that he's done specifically to say, 'yeah, that's why I want McDaniels.'   

 

As for the Judo-Christian mindset... the answer is:  "By their fruit, you will know them."   McDaniels' fruit is rotten.  Point to how he is a changed man, a changed coach or a changed director of a football program.   What's the evidence?    Don't give me platitudes, give me facts.   I haven't argued against McDaniels because I don't like his face, because I don't like his hair cut or some other nonsense.  My argument is based on the results on the field, on the roster and in the building of a franchise.  It is data-driven, not feelings.   I won't argue against shadows.  Give me some facts.   You want to make a case that Josh McDaniels is a better coach now than he was 10 years ago.  Go ahead, make it.   But, for that matter, why not hire Eric Mangini instead.  He's got a Belichek pedigree and a failed tenure as a HC as well.  Why not Jim Zorn? Or any other failed HC from 10 years ago?   

I am a judo Christian. Second degree black belt

4 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I can’t offer facts that McDaniel learned from his failure in Denver, I can’t offer facts he didn’t.  I don’t agree with 4for4 on this.  I just hesitate to judge someone strictly as to what happened ten years ago.   A question I would ask in interviewing folks was to tell me about a failure and how they dealt with it.  You would be surprised how many folks can’t bring themselves to admit a failure.  One of my best hires told me about hers, talked about how she sought out help in resolving and talked about what she had learned from it.   I have a similar story in my past.  The person it put me in conflict with heard from a peer how I expressed about it and later sought me out to lead an international project for him.   I would be curious how McDaniel would answer that question as two of his failures were so public.  

I'm judging him professionally on the only data points we have.  Denver where he ran the show, NE where he was part of the machine, and Detroit where he backed away.  Nothing on his resume says "great candidate", especially when you look at the whole of the Belichek tree... nothing much to write home about.  Seems like when they go off on their own, they struggle mightily.   Hard pass on McDaniels.

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

I can picture it now. 4th and goal with a go ahead TD on the line. Pitts lines up in the X for a double post. Ertz in the slot motions pre-snap into a seam route, Goedert stays in-line to give a chip and run a slant....

 

 

 

Fade to Hakeem Butler!

Could also change it up with a 50/50 ball to reagor who’s covered by Bradbury. 

40 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Either,

A) Ertz didn’t put in any effort last season and why the F would anyone want him, or

B). Ertz tried hard last season and is totally shot and same question as above 

I think that's a false dichotomy.  I mean the QB play was terrible.  His targets were at an all time low.  He had 5 drops which was high but it's not like he had a full season.  He also had a high ankle sprain which undoubtedly impacted his play.  

 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Could also change it up with a 50/50 ball to reagor who’s covered by Bradbury. 

I could but then how can I have my 5th option of the screen to Greg Ward?

 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I could but then how can I have my 5th option of the screen to Greg Ward?

The options are unlimited lol 

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

 

That deal is absolutely ridiculous.

Eagles should look into this. Insert injury concern jokes, but he's still young and could solve both PR/KR/CB2

15 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You are dead wrong!  I think he was a better candidate than NS.  He was the other logical candidate based on the list of guys we interviewed.  He was not my first or second choice.  But he was THE alternative to NS in the 11th hour.  Quit jumping to conclusions or putting words in my mouth.  He was the best available candidate.  I was more in love with Lincoln Riley and Bienemy, then I was with JMcD.  But out of the list of 10.....JMcD was the best option in my eyes. 

So do me a favor and don't make up ish.  And if you do,  have the stones to tag me.  

Why was he a better candidate than NS? In fact, why was any candidate better than NS?

NS was an OC for three years with 3 different QBs, as a WR coach had a solid track record of developing WRs, also a QB coach. I mean what else could he do to prove himself?

Playcalling is the most overrated skill, game planning, which Reich has stated NS was an integral part of for Indy, is far more important (the preparation for play calling).

Heck, AR was an TE coach for 5 years and QB coach for 2 and never an OC in the NFL (3 yr at SF State, division II college).

Point is any choice is a shot in the dark. From the perspective of rebuilding, NS has a better resume than McDaniels or Doug. And he brought in a staff suited to that phase.

The idea that NS was chosen b/c Howie could control him is silly, any HC who lacks a proven track record has to defer to his GM. Which is a good thing, b/c outside of a few obvious exceptions, most HCs stink at personnel. They're too close to the trees.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Eagles should look into this.

wow

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Eagles should look into this. Insert injury concern jokes, but he's still young and could solve both PR/KR/CB2

I'd be in on that one.

36 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

My condolences @eagle45

Maybe nothing comes of this for the Giants but that would have been a smart addition for the Eagles at that price. 

Adoree Jackson is waaaaay too soft to play for Gannon. 

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I'd be in on that one.

I think Conley might be the better prospect outside but Jackson would be good too.  He is coming off a knee injury and I don't think he's returned punts or kicks since his rookie season. 

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Hold onto Ertz and wait for his value to recover.  I wouldn't except anything less than a 4th for him.  

I agree. If we can keep that contract, I wouldnt trade him for anything less then a 4th. 

If he plays his final year, hits the FA market next year we could be looking at gaining a 3rd or 4th round comp pick. Lets be honest, he had one bad year and was injured most of that year. Id bet he would be back on pace as a top TE next year. If a team does not want to wait, then pony up and give that round pick now. I dont even care if its a 2021 pick. Id be perfectly fine with a 2022 pick. 

Just now, NCiggles said:

I think Conley might be the better prospect outside but Jackson would be good too.  He is coming off a knee injury and I don't think he's returned punts or kicks since his rookie season. 

He's done it every year except last, although each year was declining