Every "super fan” of any team is always the dirt worse 

4 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Was listening to the eagle eye podcast mock draft. Curious to see where everyone would go if the board fell this way (frankly i don’t think it broke their way. I also think the Panthers pick is more likely to be a OL than surtain with how had their oline was)

1. Jags— Lawrence QB

2. Jets— Wilson QB

3. SF— jones QB

4. atlanta— Pitts TE

5. Cincy— Sewell OT

6. Fins— Chase Wr

7. lions— Waddle WR

8. Carolina— Surtain CB

9. Broncos— fields QB

10. Cowboys— Horn CB

11. Giants— Phillips DE

 

the selection they made for the eagles was Farley. I can’t see the eagles making that pick with his back injury. I think it would realistically come down to smith or slater. Maybe even trade out with trey Lance on the board still

Regardless of his TE designation, Pitts isn’t gonna make it past 6.  The whole "you can’t draft a TE that early” is ridiculous and must come from people that haven’t watched him play, he’s a generational talent.  
 I hate the Jones pick for San Fran, that’s just way to early and probably why they are doing a work out with Lance.  
 I could definitely see the Falcons taking Lance as well, he’s gonna need a year and if they don’t want to pay Ryan a bunch next year, Atlanta would be a good spot for Lance to go. 
 Carolina really got Darnold on the cheap, if he could get some consistency at the OC or even HC position he may still have a decent career. Carolina could trade out if someone wants Fields, or Slater would be good pick for them as well. 
 Farley is completely different from Jones, his surgery came from the injury last year with I believe his S-1 and L-5, and though the Eagles got burned by Jones, you don’t want a DK Metcalf situation either.  I have more of issue with his tackling and not being as physical as Surtain or Horn.  Since they hate Linebackers and are blah with Safeties someone has to be able to tackle on this team besides the D Line. 
 

3 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

Regardless of his TE designation, Pitts isn’t gonna make it past 6.  The whole "you can’t draft a TE that early” is ridiculous and must come from people that haven’t watched him play, he’s a generational talent.  
 I hate the Jones pick for San Fran, that’s just way to early and probably why they are doing a work out with Lance.  
 I could definitely see the Falcons taking Lance as well, he’s gonna need a year and if they don’t want to pay Ryan a bunch next year, Atlanta would be a good spot for Lance to go. 
 Carolina really got Darnold on the cheap, if he could get some consistency at the OC or even HC position he may still have a decent career. Carolina could trade out if someone wants Fields, or Slater would be good pick for them as well. 
 Farley is completely different from Jones, his surgery came from the injury last year with I believe his S-1 and L-5, and though the Eagles got burned by Jones, you don’t want a DK Metcalf situation either.  I have more of issue with his tackling and not being as physical as Surtain or Horn.  Since they hate Linebackers and are blah with Safeties someone has to be able to tackle on this team besides the D Line. 
 

Too late they restructured his contract a month ago. His cap number is 48 mil with 40.4 mil of dead money in 2022

also i wanted DK metcalf but there was no way anyone was taking him in round one with his neck injury. I know cause i brought him up that year where we were picking in the first and it was nearly unanimous everyone on the blog didn’t want him in the first due to his neck injury. 

A&E is doing 8 part series biographies on wrestlers. This week was stone cold Steve Austin. It was definitely entertaining and if you used to be a wrestling fan it is definitely worth it. 

1 hour ago, Saltpeter said:

Oh yes, the classic draft trope that OL is always the right pick despite not being "sexy." A 4-win team that hasn't drafted a Pro Bowl WR or CB in over 10 years doesn't need a guard at #12, dude. Period.

And yet surprisingly won the Super Bowl within those 10 years. 

How did the Chiefs look in the Super Bowl with that dynamic offense? Couldn't muster anything because they had (on that night) a poor line. 

Mailata and Dillard are still question marks. Kelce is on his last legs. Brooks and Johnson can't stay healthy. An OL in the first who can seemingly play multiple positions on the OL well is worth it. Good teams almost always have good lines. Pretty simple.

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Too late they restructured his contract a month ago. His cap number is 48 mil with 40.4 mil of dead money in 2022

also i wanted DK metcalf but there was no way anyone was taking him in round one with his neck injury. 

That’s a shame considering he was cleared in January and put up 225, 27 times, no such thing on a stiff neck, much less a damaged one. Metcalf is one of the reasons Meyer is in Jacksonville because their dr.s cleared him. 
 Didn’t know Ryan got that much, still doesn’t count out Lance, but it’s less likely. 
 I wonder if the Dolphins are worried about Cincy taking Chase instead of Sewell, then they likely wouldn’t get Pitts or Chase, which sucks for them. 

1 minute ago, Swoop said:

And yet surprisingly won the Super Bowl within those 10 years. 

How did the Chiefs look in the Super Bowl with that dynamic offense? Couldn't muster anything because they had (on that night) a poor line. 

Mailata and Dillard are still question marks. Kelce is on his last legs. Brooks and Johnson can't stay healthy. An OL in the first who can seemingly play multiple positions on the OL well is worth it. Good teams almost always have good lines. Pretty simple.

I wouldn’t be thrilled if they took slater but i can totally understand it and believe he has a chance to be a really good OL. You basically could have your left side of the line set when kelce retires (might be after this year) if have to move seumalo to center. Mailata, slater and seumalo at center. Furthermore when lane eventually is let go or retires can send slater to RT if you believe he can be an upgrade at that point in time. I like slater. Frankly if the board fell that way (eagle eye pod mock) it’s really not ideal. You’d like more than slater, smith, parsons to be on the board. I am hoping for the eagles that one of waddle, horn or surtain is on the board. However I don’t think it would be shocking if all were gone. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Too late they restructured his contract a month ago. His cap number is 48 mil with 40.4 mil of dead money in 2022

also i wanted DK metcalf but there was no way anyone was taking him in round one with his neck injury. 

I get passing on Metcalf because of injury concerns after the Sydney Jones thing. I’m not even mad at the JJAW pick. There’s so many other bad picks that were guys who the consensus agreed were reaches that turned out as bad as they seemed at the time. I don’t even know where to start. 
 

My thing is... can we just draft some guys who seem like good picks AT THE TIME OF THE PICK. If they end up busting, at least it seemed like a good pick at the time. I can deal with that. But when we "overdraft” every player in every round, at that time, and then they end up being as bad as they seemed, it is just so bad. It keeps happening over and over. Just pick a guy who seems like a good value at the moment you pick them. If you pick Smith, a heisman winner, and he ends up staying hurt, at least you picked a guy with talent. If you pick Waddle and he ends up being a one trick pony, at least he was considered a top WR prospect. If you take Pitts, who is considered a all-time TE prospect, at least no one questions it. If you draft a Surtain or Horn, at least it seems like good value. If you draft Parsons, you can say he’s a unique talent. I’d even be ok with Paye, who is athletic and has a high work ethic, even though it doesn’t seem like great value at12. But If you draft a Barmore, or another Tackle (admitting you screwed up with Dillard), or anyone in the trenches that isn’t a premier prospect, you just look like a clown. Again. There are so many QBs going early, there will be a top ten talent available at 12. If you don’t get one of them, there’s no excuse. 

21 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

That’s a shame considering he was cleared in January and put up 225, 27 times, no such thing on a stiff neck, much less a damaged one. Didn’t know Ryan got that much, still doesn’t count out Lance, but it’s less likely. 
 I wonder if the Dolphins are worried about Cincy taking Chase instead of Sewell, then they likely wouldn’t get Pitts or Chase, which sucks for them. 

The neck injury scared a bunch of people off of him. In the second round i was all for it. I really wanted to go safety instead of JJAW with the amount of safety talent on the board. (I preferred thornhill). However i also didn’t want sanders not cause i thought he was bad but i didn’t think the value with who was on the board was worth taking a RB. 

I think the Falcons restructured that deal because they believed he had 3 years left tbh. Not unthinkable with how QBs are playing into their late 30s and 40s. He actually has been good the last couple years. He is committed for at least the next two years. I’m guessing next year to make some cap room they likely restructure it again. So you basically would be sitting the no. 4 overall pick for at least 2 years and potentially a third. I just think they’d be better off trading out and stockpiling picks. Frankly let’s say Denver wants fields they deal up to 4. Atlanta could get some nice picks and still get someone like surtain or horn which their secondary is god awful and could use. I don’t think taking a QB is out of the question i find it hard to fathom with them restructuring Ryan’s contract (could’ve gotten out of it easily after 2021 prior) that they use a pick that high to sit for two years. 

i love chase but burrow isn’t making it through a season with that oline. They might go chase but I’d take Sewell and i wouldn’t hesitate to take another OLineman with one of my 2-4 round picks. I get the appeal of chase, Boyd and Higgins but i think Sewell is fills a major need and might just be the best player available 

15 minutes ago, blindside said:

I get passing on Metcalf because of injury concerns after the Sydney Jones thing. I’m not even mad at the JJAW pick. There’s so many other bad picks that were guys who the consensus agreed were reaches that turned out as bad as they seemed at the time. I don’t even know where to start. 
 

My thing is... can we just draft some guys who seem like good picks AT THE TIME OF THE PICK. If they end up busting, at least it seemed like a good pick at the time. I can deal with that. But when we "overdraft” every player in every round, at that time, and then they end up being as bad as they seemed, it is just so bad. It keeps happening over and over. Just pick a guy who seems like a good value at the moment you pick them. If you pick Smith, a heisman winner, and he ends up staying hurt, at least you picked a guy with talent. If you pick Waddle and he ends up being a one trick pony, at least he was considered a top WR prospect. If you take Pitts, who is considered a all-time TE prospect, at least no one questions it. If you draft a Surtain or Horn, at least it seems like good value. If you draft Parsons, you can say he’s a unique talent. I’d even be ok with Paye, who is athletic and has a high work ethic, even though it doesn’t seem like great value at12. But If you draft a Barmore, or another Tackle (admitting you screwed up with Dillard), or anyone in the trenches that isn’t a premier prospect, you just look like a clown. Again. There are so many QBs going early, there will be a top ten talent available at 12. If you don’t get one of them, there’s no excuse. 

I agree with everything except for slater I’d be ok with. It’s not my ideal pick but if i could see him potentially being the best player on the board at 12. I think he has a chance to be a really good OL. He has a ton of versatility. I think he can play tackle and guard at a very high level in the nfl. I also think he is a pick not just for this year but the future. If kelce walks away at the end of the year you have a hole at center. Seumalo can slide into center and slater can play LG (or he could play center if you believe Tony pauline). You have 3/5 of your line intact for the long term when lane is done you can always kick him out to RT ans find guards. Heck gives you insurance in case Brooks gets hurt again or lane. Unfortunately dillard if he loses out to mailata hasn’t shown he can play RT yet 

let me put it this way he is not the guy I would take. However I also don’t think that’s a bad pick Especially if you believe he can play at an extremely high level at multiple positions along the oline. 

14 minutes ago, Swoop said:

And yet surprisingly won the Super Bowl within those 10 years. 

How did the Chiefs look in the Super Bowl with that dynamic offense? Couldn't muster anything because they had (on that night) a poor line. 

Mailata and Dillard are still question marks. Kelce is on his last legs. Brooks and Johnson can't stay healthy. An OL in the first who can seemingly play multiple positions on the OL well is worth it. Good teams almost always have good lines. Pretty simple.

I agree that OL is as important as any position on the field. But if Hurts has earned a year to prove himself, so has Mailata, and Dillard’s draft status should give him a shot to. This is a rebuild. Not a "hedge our bets” at T. We have two guys who either have shown promise, or were drafted high enough to get a chance. If we draft a T and Mailata or Dillard wins the job, it’s a waste of a pick. We have too many holes for that, imo. Either get Hurts, or whoever ends up as the QB, a weapon, or give the defense someone that will help us limit the big plays we can’t seem to stop. At 12, it looks like the value is gonna be a WR, CB or Parsons. But if someone like Sewell falls, that’s the Dillard pick all over again. As much as I believe that you, at some point, need to look reality in the face and realize you made a bad pick, we’re in a position where we have to stand by our previous evaluations and assume they can play, and draft someone at one of the many holes that are glaring. Talk about a "BPA dream”... we have so many holes, we can pretty much pick any position. Except OT and QB because we’ve made decisions that have to get a chance. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I agree with everything except for slater I’d be ok with. It’s not my ideal pick but if i could see him potentially being the best player on the board at 12. I think he has a chance to be a really good OL. He has a ton of versatility. I think he can play tackle and guard at a very high level in the nfl. I also think he is a pick not just for this year but the future. If kelce walks away at the end of the year you have a hole at center. Seumalo can slide into center and slater can play LG (or he could play center if you believe Tony pauline). You have 3/5 of your line intact for the long term when lane is done you can always kick him out to RT ans find guards. Heck gives you insurance in case Brooks gets hurt again or lane. Unfortunately dillard if he loses out to mailata hasn’t shown he can play RT  

let me put it this way he is not the guy I would take. However I also don’t think that’s a bad pick Especially if you believe he can play at an extremely high level at multiple positions along the oline. 

I agree about Slater. I wouldn’t hate the pick, if they think he can play T, G, or C on a team who can’t stay healthy across the line. It would make sense. But I typically stay away from anything that is a jack of all trades, but master of none. Like E45 said earlier. At 12, we should get a guy who we expect to dominate at a position. But I do think we have so many issues at OL staying healthy, that if we’re giving Hurts a real chance, we should make sure he has a chance to get to his third read. But I also don’t want to make decisions to coddle a QB that may not be the starter a year from now. It’s tough

21 minutes ago, blindside said:

I agree about Slater. I wouldn’t hate the pick, if they think he can play T, G, or C on a team who can’t stay healthy across the line. It would make sense. But I typically stay away from anything that is a jack of all trades, but master of none. Like E45 said earlier. At 12, we should get a guy who we expect to dominate at a position. But I do think we have so many issues at OL staying healthy, that if we’re giving Hurts a real chance, we should make sure he has a chance to get to his third read. But I also don’t want to make decisions to coddle a QB that may not be the starter a year from now. It’s tough

I tend to think where the draft is going to turn in the eagles favor or not so much is the lions and panthers picks. The lions need help at corner, wr, OL, pass rush and linebacker. They can go in any direction. Frankly if fields and jones are on the board still i could see them trading out to get more picks. To me Carolina needs secondary help but they really need oline help. Last year their oline wasn’t good to begin the year and they aren’t much better now. Darnold isn’t having any success unless he actually gets protection. I think slater is in play at 8 if they can’t trade out. I think they make sense as a trade option for the eagles cause i believe at 12 the kid from usc or slater will be available and they pocket a couple picks. Eagles might want to move up to get someone like waddle, horn or surtain. 

13 hours ago, T-1000 said:

My fear is that Howie and co. will over think this situation at number 12, which is the main reason they have been so bad in the draft. Take ONE of Surtain, Horn, Waddle, and Smith and it's a money pick. In the very unlikely scenario where all four of them are gone take Slater, or trade back just a little bit and take Paye or Vera Tucker. Seems pretty simple......

I believe Slater is the safest pick but also 12 worthy since Howie is on the hot seat. I actually think he will be off the board by the time we pick. Can hope Parsons off the board to have more options, maybe 3 of those guys there

13 hours ago, T-1000 said:

1. Jags - Lawrence

2. Jets - Wilson

3. 49'ers - Jones or Fields

4. - Falcons / trade up - Fields or Lance

Some combination of Chase, Pitts, and Sewell should go 5, 6, and 7. That leaves Surtain, Horn, Waddle, Smith, and Slater with four picks left to be made until the Eagles are up. Even in the worst case scenario one of those five will be left and there's a good chance that a 5th QB and/or Parsons go which pushes one or two more of them down to the Eagles. If Howie gets nervous he can always try to jump the NY and Dallas and move up to 9 which should only cost 70 meaning the net gain of both trades is a 3 this year for a 1 next year. Either way, they shouldn't be able to screw this up but they probably will by taking Vera-Tucker or Barmore at 12.

4 Qbs gone = 1 out 5 left      

5 Qbs gone = 2 out of 5 left

5 Qbs + Parsons gone = 3 out of 5 left, not bad

4 Qbs + Parsons gone = 2 out of 5 left but still a Qb available giving the option to trade back without having to or your choice of the 2 players left. My favorite situation not sure how likely

13 hours ago, blindside said:

I’m actually fine just pushing all our picks back for future picks for the foreseeable future so that hopefully Howie gets fired by then and our new GM can have like 13 first round picks in 2024

Tank to get rid of Howie, Howie hater > Eagles fan

13 hours ago, eagle45 said:

I seldom agree with Afan...but Afan, of all people, said that Lurie is likely embarrassed by the stories of his failed meddling and may back off.  

As well as telling Howie no reaches/projects drafted in the first 4 rounds ... unless Stoutland/Johnson approved

Looking ahead there are a lot of really good DE and Oline in next years draft.  Stingley will be a top 5 as well.  I don't want to give up any 2022 top 100 picks to move up this year.  I'd be crushed if we have to use several picks to move up to get a QB next year and miss out out using our 5 picks in the top 64 next year to load up on what should be a great draft.  We have a chance between now and May 2022 to really upgrade the roster.  

5 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

A&E is doing 8 part series biographies on wrestlers. This week was stone cold Steve Austin. It was definitely entertaining and if you used to be a wrestling fan it is definitely worth it. 

Yeah, I actually watched it. Confirmed to me that Austin is a scum bag

5 hours ago, Swoop said:

And yet surprisingly won the Super Bowl within those 10 years. 

How did the Chiefs look in the Super Bowl with that dynamic offense? Couldn't muster anything because they had (on that night) a poor line. 

Mailata and Dillard are still question marks. Kelce is on his last legs. Brooks and Johnson can't stay healthy. An OL in the first who can seemingly play multiple positions on the OL well is worth it. Good teams almost always have good lines. Pretty simple.

Vera-Tucker succeeding at tackle would be a major outlier. He's a guard only prospect. It's absolutely a terrible use of resources at pick 12 for a team with so many long-term deficiencies.

If you actually read, I said I was okay with them picking Slater.

11 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Looking ahead there are a lot of really good DE and Oline in next years draft.  Stingley will be a top 5 as well.  I don't want to give up any 2022 top 100 picks to move up this year.  I'd be crushed if we have to use several picks to move up to get a QB next year and miss out out using our 5 picks in the top 64 next year to load up on what should be a great draft.  We have a chance between now and May 2022 to really upgrade the roster.  

Let me have a defensive dream here.

2021 pick 12 Horn/Surtain   pick 37 Rousseau

2022  Derek Stingley    Kayvon Thibodeaux     unpopular pick.  George Pickens.  Going to be coming off a torn ACL but he has PLENTY of time to rehab and get ready.  Legit WR1 in the NFL.

Stingley and Horn/Surtain at CB

Rousseau and Thibodeaux at DE  

Man that would be an impressive start to a defensive rebuild.

Pickens comes in as WR1 to go with Reagor, Watkins and Fulgham.  

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

Let me have a defensive dream here.

2021 pick 12 Horn/Surtain   pick 37 Rousseau

2022  Derek Stingley    Kayvon Thibodeaux     unpopular pick.  George Pickens.  Going to be coming off a torn ACL but he has PLENTY of time to rehab and get ready.  Legit WR1 in the NFL.

Stingley and Horn/Surtain at CB

Rousseau and Thibodeaux at DE  

Man that would be an impressive start to a defensive rebuild.

Pickens comes in as WR1 to go with Reagor, Watkins and Fulgham.  

After looking at the projected top 30 picks next year I was having similar fantasies 

Zach Harrison > Kayvon Thibodeaux

Fine with a corner at 12. Not fine with Rousseau at 37. Would gamble on Phillips at 37 but he will be gone i imagine

i want a DE this year but somewhere 3 to 5 seems like best value.

18 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Fine with a corner at 12. Not fine with Rousseau at 37. Would gamble on Phillips at 37 but he will be gone i imagine

i want a DE this year but somewhere 3 to 5 seems like best value.

You think 37 is too high for Rousseau?  I think that's tremendous value for him.  Phillips concussions worry me a ton.